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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 29, 2007 22:27:51 GMT -5
Considering that wrestling has taken away quite a few of his friends and family, and yet he'll still stick up for the industry on the whole, no, I'd say he isn't bitter.
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Post by JMA on Jun 29, 2007 22:30:52 GMT -5
I've always thought that the "bitter" label was just an ad hominem attack designed to dismiss the opinions of outpoken people in the wrestling business. Remember when Bischoff called Storm "bitter" just because Storm didn't like his book?
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Jun 29, 2007 22:32:35 GMT -5
I've always thought that the "bitter" label was just an ad hominem attack designed to dismiss the opinions of outpoken people in the wrestling business. Remember when Bischoff called Storm "bitter" just because Storm didn't like his book? Ding ding ding. Bret is a whiner/Bret is bitter is way up there, but it happens all the time.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 22:43:11 GMT -5
He was bitter...but the past week he HAS shown real class. YEah, Bret would have had a good opportunity to bash on VKM and WWE this week...but instead, you know what he does? He actually tries to defend it in the face of ignorant media faces. Not as well as Chris Jericho, but hell if Bret Hart is defending VKM, that must mean something.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 29, 2007 22:50:59 GMT -5
He was bitter at first, seemed to settle down, and then Owen died doing a stunt that he did not care for. That understandably made it worse. I think that eventually Bret made his peace, and that was what made it possible for him to participate in both the HOF and the DVD. Now, I think that he is just being fair and impartial in this situation.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 22:55:40 GMT -5
He was bitter at first, seemed to settle down, and then Owen died doing a stunt that he did not care for. That understandably made it worse. I think that eventually Bret made his peace, and that was what made it possible for him to participate in both the HOF and the DVD. Now, I think that he is just being fair and impartial in this situation. Plus, Bret didn't want to screw Harry Smith and other young Harts when they inevitably join the WWE. You know, I just thought of a REWRITING THE BOOK question...what if Bret Hart had jobbed to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1997? I know, off topic, but imagine a whole different landscape in this alternate reality.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jun 29, 2007 22:58:19 GMT -5
Erm, bitter about WHAT, specifically?
I'm sure that even though he may have learned to live with the injustice of the Montreal Screwjob, in the back of his mind, he's still bitter that Mean Gene had the gall to doubt El Dandy.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 29, 2007 22:58:20 GMT -5
Bret's a class act. Considering all he's been through, he hasn't been very bitter.
He doesn't like or wish to speak to Shawn Michaels, but I don't blame him. Shawn is a hypocrite and still immature after all these years despite his faith.
*points to his reaction to having to job to Hogan*
I think it's funny that Bret is considered by some fans to be a "crybaby." When compared to HBK who has a long history of whining anytime he has to job to someone who isn't one of his "buddies."
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:00:31 GMT -5
You know, no one on these boards will disagree with the general perception and agreement that Shawn Michaels in the 1990s before he went into retirement, found God and all that...was the biggest damn jerk in the WWF.
My question is, since his return, has he actually improved as a person backstage, or not?
and as for Hogan/HBK, considering how HBK oversells as much as Ric Flair would do, I think we overinflate that situation.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 29, 2007 23:04:07 GMT -5
Not talking about the overselling (although you can easily tell that he was trying to make Hogan look like a fool), I'm talking about his interview after the match.
I dislike Hogan a lot more than I dislike HBK, but it was still unprofessional. HBK tries to act like Bret was an ass for not wanting to job in Montreal...how hypocritical is that? How many times has Shawn "lost his smile" anytime he was asked to job to someone not in the "kliq?"
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Post by kitsunestar on Jun 29, 2007 23:08:10 GMT -5
Why does every single Bret topic always turn into "HBK is a Pompous Ass and I Hate Him!"?
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:09:11 GMT -5
Not talking about the overselling (although you can easily tell that he was trying to make Hogan look like a fool), I'm talking about his interview after the match. I dislike Hogan a lot more than I dislike HBK, but it was still unprofessional. HBK tries to act like Bret was an ass for not wanting to job in Montreal...how hypocritical is that? How many times has Shawn "lost his smile" anytime he was asked to job to someone not in the "kliq?" Michaels was mad because he smarted off at Hart, and somehow Michaels expected Hart to just job to him anyway like everyone else...and Hart sorta told him to screw off. Ever heard the Hogan interview where he too tries to act like Hart was an ass for not jobbing? Hogan b****** about someone refusing to job? Thats comedy. LESSON OF TODAY KIDS: Being nice with other people at the workplace helps you out in the long run.
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Post by mo on Jun 29, 2007 23:10:29 GMT -5
I went with "I did but the past week has changed my mind"
Much props to him
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:10:40 GMT -5
Why does every single Bret topic always turn into "HBK is a Pompous Ass and I Hate Him!"? I don't hate him. I really respect him as a worker....as a person pre-1998, absolutely not. Then again, whats the legacy of Bret Hart that comes into mind immediately? His great matches, or the Screw Job? There you go.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 29, 2007 23:12:13 GMT -5
Yeah Hogan is just as bad.
Edit: Actually worse, considering HBK jobbed to Austin when it was needed, whereas with Hogan we have his WCW run...yeah.
To the above poster, I'm not trying to turn this into a HBK hate thread. Just making a comparison. I don't even hate HBK. He's definitely one of my favorite performers.
I just find it strange that HBK doesn't get as much crap as Bret does most of the time. Considering his history, he's definitely a lot more of a crybaby than Bret.
Doesn't change the fact that I enjoy his matches though (as I enjoy Bret's).
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Post by bret screwed bret on Jun 29, 2007 23:13:28 GMT -5
The most bitter motherf***er in the history of Western Civilization.
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Post by Scooter on Jun 29, 2007 23:16:24 GMT -5
I think he's been pissed since Montreal and understandably so. However, with every Montreal re-hash, it seemed like Bret always responded by saying he was over it, but it seems like Vince/HBK/the WWE aren't. I think that losing his friends and family over the years (not to mention the stroke) calmed his feelings with a "life is short mentality," but I wasn't totally sold until this week.
Bret does not want to work for Vince again. Ever. He could have distanced himself from the WWE (not easy, considering he's in the Hall of Fame, but I digress...) and thrown Vince under the bus, but he didn't. He might still be bitter with Vince, for all we know, but his love of the business transcends any personal vendettas he may have, and that, as has been said before, is class.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:16:28 GMT -5
Yeah Hogan is just as bad. Edit: Actually worse, considering HBK jobbed to Austin when it was needed, whereas with Hogan we have his WCW run...yeah. To the above poster, I'm not trying to turn this into a HBK hate thread. Just making a comparison. I don't even hate HBK. He's definitely one of my favorite performers. I just find it strange that HBK doesn't get as much crap as Bret does most of the time. Considering his history, he's definitely a lot more of a crybaby than Bret. Doesn't change the fact that I enjoy his matches though (as I enjoy Bret's). Well if you meant me, I don't think you were starting a HBK hate thread.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 29, 2007 23:20:32 GMT -5
If he is bitter than he is hiding it well for the fans.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:26:47 GMT -5
If he is bitter than he is hiding it well for the fans. Or maybe he isn't bitter.....or was bitter as he once was. I mean, don't forget that he did do that tribute promo weeks ago for RAW.
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