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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 12:56:38 GMT -5
You mean like another missing white girl? I'm not trying to be racist but I seem to notice stories like this dominate the 24/7 news outlets. Like that kid that got kidnapped in Aruba or some island. Yeah, the next media circus comes out, and people forget about pro wrestling again. It'll happen, and (I hope this doesn't sound horrible) hopefully it happens soon. Any kind of Congressional oversight will just smurf wrestling up more than it already is. The government smurfs up anything it touches, but I might be veering off into politics, and that's a no no, so... You know, I miss Responsible Conservatism. Take Robert Taft, Senator of Ohio, Republican, in the 1st half of the 20th century. He was "Mr. Conservative," but he did believe in some government intervention...but only when private enterprises failed to do the job on their own self-initiative. Thats what I want with the inevitable subpeonas. Congress used its baseball bat and threatened to smash baseball's head in, and what does MLB do? It goes gestapo with itself. Congress nor the Feds did anything, but it put the fear of God into Bug Selig. Thats what I want. I want VKM and other promoters to have the fear of God put into them if they don't self-police themselves seriously.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 30, 2007 12:58:35 GMT -5
Yeah, the next media circus comes out, and people forget about pro wrestling again. It'll happen, and (I hope this doesn't sound horrible) hopefully it happens soon. Any kind of Congressional oversight will just smurf wrestling up more than it already is. The government smurfs up anything it touches, but I might be veering off into politics, and that's a no no, so... Thats what I want. I want VKM and other promoters to have the fear of God put into them if they don't self-police themselves seriously. Now, if that's what happens, then so be it, I'm fine with it. Pro wrestling needs to be an independent, self policing industry. Any further than that, though, and you're pushing it.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 12:58:37 GMT -5
Seems to me that one thing about all these deaths are that they aren't actually caused by steroids as such, most of them come from either a mixture of steroids and 'regular' drugs or just from the use of the 'regular' drugs. Obviously people in wrestling do take steroids, and something should be done to try and stop that, however we need to remember not to get tunnel vision and concentrate solely on steroids as an issue when there is a further under current of drug and alcohol abuse that is really causing all these deaths. I would concentrate on steroids, the painkiller abuse, the lack of benefits that any employee (not "contracted worker") of a corporation deserves, like for example a decent pension plan that doesn't kick in until you're 65.
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Post by Nuke is Good on Jun 30, 2007 12:59:06 GMT -5
Yeah, the next media circus comes out, and people forget about pro wrestling again. It'll happen, and (I hope this doesn't sound horrible) hopefully it happens soon. Any kind of Congressional oversight will just smurf wrestling up more than it already is. The government smurfs up anything it touches, but I might be veering off into politics, and that's a no no, so... You know, I miss Responsible Conservatism. Take Robert Taft, Senator of Ohio, Republican, in the 1st half of the 20th century. He was "Mr. Conservative," but he did believe in some government intervention...but only when private enterprises failed to do the job on their own self-initiative. Thats what I want with the inevitable subpeonas. Congress used its baseball bat and threatened to smash baseball's head in, and what does MLB do? It goes gestapo with itself. Congress nor the Feds did anything, but it put the fear of God into Bug Selig. Thats what I want. I want VKM and other promoters to have the fear of God put into them if they don't self-police themselves seriously. God jobbed to Vince. But I understand what you mean, the steroid trial spooked Vince for a while so public backlash might make Vince think things over again.
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Post by Legion on Jun 30, 2007 13:00:52 GMT -5
Seems to me that one thing about all these deaths are that they aren't actually caused by steroids as such, most of them come from either a mixture of steroids and 'regular' drugs or just from the use of the 'regular' drugs. Obviously people in wrestling do take steroids, and something should be done to try and stop that, however we need to remember not to get tunnel vision and concentrate solely on steroids as an issue when there is a further under current of drug and alcohol abuse that is really causing all these deaths. I would concentrate on steroids, the painkiller abuse, the lack of benefits that any employee (not "contracted worker") of a corporation deserves, like for example a decent pension plan that doesn't kick in until you're 65. I'm not really sure what you mean. Are you saying that retired wrestlers should have a pension scheme that begins when they retire rather than making them wait until they are 65 or are you saying they need a decent pension plan that they get when they hit 65?
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:01:20 GMT -5
Thats what I want. I want VKM and other promoters to have the fear of God put into them if they don't self-police themselves seriously. Now, if that's what happens, then so be it, I'm fine with it. Pro wrestling needs to be an independent, self policing industry. Any further than that, though, and you're pushing it. Mate, I hate these times when people demand ideology over the right action or whats appropriate in reality or not. Its really stupid. You know?
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Post by erik316wttn on Jun 30, 2007 13:01:35 GMT -5
I'm all for cleaning up wrestling, but that reporter (as well as just about all others) need to specify that Owen Hart, Yokozuna, Chris Adams (I think), etc, weren't the result of drug use.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 30, 2007 13:02:25 GMT -5
Now, if that's what happens, then so be it, I'm fine with it. Pro wrestling needs to be an independent, self policing industry. Any further than that, though, and you're pushing it. Mate, I hate these times when people demand ideology over the right action or whats appropriate in reality or not. Its really stupid. You know? I'll be honest, I'm not entirely certain I follow.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:04:21 GMT -5
I would concentrate on steroids, the painkiller abuse, the lack of benefits that any employee (not "contracted worker") of a corporation deserves, like for example a decent pension plan that doesn't kick in until you're 65. I'm not really sure what you mean. Are you saying that retired wrestlers should have a pension scheme that begins when they retire rather than making them wait until they are 65 or are you saying they need a decent pension plan that they get when they hit 65? No no no. Unless things changed, WWE's pension policy only kicks in when you turn 65. Until then, unless you have a special money agreement with WWE, you're on your on, having to do appearances, matches, whatever until you turn 65. Yet how many WWE wrestlers of the last 30 years you know of have reached 65, besides "lifelong" payroll workers like Briscoe, Moolah/Young, whatever? What should happen is a better pension policy that kicks in EARLIER.
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Post by Legion on Jun 30, 2007 13:06:18 GMT -5
Why should it?
No other industry has that unless you take a private pension scheme out.
Why should wrestlers be treated any differently? They should be sensible and invest or look after their money like everyone else does.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:06:45 GMT -5
Mate, I hate these times when people demand ideology over the right action or whats appropriate in reality or not. Its really stupid. You know? I'll be honest, I'm not entirely certain I follow. Well, look at the conservative movement really suffer badly because of Iraq. Look at the liberal movement in the 1960s/1970s who wouldn't let go of the government funding/running everything like the New Deal. Yet with today's climate, you have two ideological factions that demand everything be conducted alongside the ideological playbook or you're a traitor.
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Post by frickinsweet on Jun 30, 2007 13:07:50 GMT -5
Thats what I want. I want VKM and other promoters to have the fear of God put into them if they don't self-police themselves seriously. Now, if that's what happens, then so be it, I'm fine with it. Pro wrestling needs to be an independent, self policing industry. Any further than that, though, and you're pushing it. Cuz we all know they're doing such a bang up job self-policing right now. And you still haven't explained how it would be a bad thing if there is an investigation into this.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:08:08 GMT -5
Why should it? No other industry has that unless you take a private pension scheme out. Why should wrestlers be treated any differently? They should be sensible and invest or look after their money like everyone else does. I mean instead of 65, say....55? The only reason WWE doesn't do it because it would cost some money down the line in having to pay pension to long-time workers.
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Post by Legion on Jun 30, 2007 13:10:27 GMT -5
But that bring up another question, what qualifies you for a pension?
How long do you have to work there? Do you need to have reached a certain level? Do you get more money in your pension if you reach the top level? Do you love money from your pension if you're pushed but then fail to stay over?
Lots to consider.
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Post by thecrow1971 on Jun 30, 2007 13:10:54 GMT -5
You know, as "Republican" as I am, maybe a union would be a good idea. Might gve the talent some protection that they seem to need, but then MLB's and the MFL's unions haven't really done squat have they (Barry's still hitting fake-ass home runs and if some of those linebackers aren't on something I'll kiss your backside) but one thing I DO belive is that the government will just muck stuff up! I'm bumming rides off church to work after losing my liscence to a paperwork error (that we're fighting), they can't guard the borders, and don't get me started on the tax codes! But like the rest of you I'm tired of seeing all the top talent dying off like this, it's scarier than a Hillary Clinton presidency and some thing needs to be done. I just wish I had an answer for it. To all of the talent that has gone to the big ring in the sky; RIP and my God watch out for you all.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:11:36 GMT -5
But that bring up another question, what qualifies you for a pension? How long do you have to work there? Do you need to have reached a certain level? Do you get more money in your pension if you reach the top level? Do you love money from your pension if you're pushed but then fail to stay over? Lots to consider. Sure, but thats wooden nickles that can be figured and calculated out. In general, do you agree with me?
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:18:01 GMT -5
You know, as "Republican" as I am, maybe a union would be a good idea. Might gve the talent some protection that they seem to need, but then MLB's and the MFL's unions haven't really done squat have they (Barry's still hitting fake-ass home runs and if some of those linebackers aren't on something I'll kiss your backside) but one thing I DO belive is that the government will just muck stuff up! I'm bumming rides off church to work after losing my liscence to a paperwork error (that we're fighting), they can't guard the borders, and don't get me started on the tax codes! But like the rest of you I'm tired of seeing all the top talent dying off like this, it's scarier than a Hillary Clinton presidency and some thing needs to be done. I just wish I had an answer for it. To all of the talent that has gone to the big ring in the sky; RIP and my God watch out for you all. YEs, Hillary is scary. She'll win in 2008 out of default like Nixon did in 1968. She IS the new Nixon. Anyway, back on topic, a labor union in general is a good thing...if its clean, not without a corrupted hierachy that becomes more concerned for their pockets than the exploited workers they are supposed to fight for, and not become someone's pawn (ala the Teamsters with the Mafia). As for the MLB/NFL unions, the MLB union did right in the 1970s, but the 1994 strike? A joke. 2006? A joke again. As for NFL Union, it actually worked well with NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue and so far with Goodell. Hell, when the NFL Union agreed on cracking down on the insanely number of felony arrested players, that must mean something. Would a locker room union be good for WWE? Sure. It might get out of control in the future, but for now...yeah it would be.
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Post by EmptyEYE DUNNOOOOOOOOO on Jun 30, 2007 13:18:42 GMT -5
A quick note that in general, pensions are going the way of the dodo in favor of things like 401(k)s. My place of employment actually will freeze our pension plan at the end of this year (My annual payout: roughly $500 WOOOOOOO! [NOTE: I was hired last October, meaning I'll have a total of a year of meaningful service when it freezes. People who were there longer will get more generous payouts]) in favor of said 401(k).
This isn't to say that paying out more and/or earlier wouldn't be a good idea. But I doubt it'll happen.
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Post by tamuthetongantiger on Jun 30, 2007 13:19:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't get too worked up about a senator seeking information.
Try it, call your senator some time next week and make a big deal out of any issue you want. I assure you that some aide will tell you they're on it.
They ain't.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:20:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't get too worked up about a senator seeking information. Try it, call your senator some time next week and make a big deal out of any issue you want. I assure you that some aide will tell you they're on it. They ain't. Sadly, you might be right.
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