Action Bathturd
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Post by Action Bathturd on Aug 9, 2007 0:16:39 GMT -5
I think The Rock never really turned face. He was basically an over heel, or tweener.
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Post by Cibernético II on Aug 9, 2007 0:23:44 GMT -5
I hate him too
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Post by hypnoticgenes on Aug 9, 2007 0:31:48 GMT -5
The way I look at it is that the Rock gave the crowd a lot of interactivity in his promos. That why his promos seemed repetitive. When you can get an arena full of people go "Finally, the Rock HAS COME BACK.....to (insert town name here)." or "If ya SMEEEELLLLLL!" It makes the fans feel like they are part of the show. Cena used to have something like that when he had the crowd yell the last word of his raps. But since he dropped that its now just Cena talking, and the people have to just kinda sit there and listen. There isnt that sense of interactivity.
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Reverend BTY
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Post by Reverend BTY on Aug 9, 2007 0:37:44 GMT -5
I don't hate The Rock or Cena. I guess this thread doesn't apply. Although, I do have to comment on the following...
That's a joke right??? If you had the choice of either going to Hollywood and acting or busting your ass and wrestling, which would YOU pick??? If anything, The Rock is a smart man before hurting for years like so many others.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Aug 9, 2007 9:42:46 GMT -5
Welcome noobie. The Peoples Elbow thinks that the WizardofOz is a jambroni. How can the Rock Bottom be as weak as the F-U when one is a modified fireman's carry into a weak slam and the other slams you down on the canvas hard? Also, the saying "Come Get Some" is similar to "Bring It", and the "Five Knuckle Shuffle" is a blatant ripoff of The Peoples Elbow. The Peoples Elbow thinks that John Cena couldn't hold the Rock's jock strap!
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Kae
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Post by Kae on Aug 9, 2007 9:43:08 GMT -5
I preferred the Rock's promos to his in-ring work. He had natural charisma and knew how to work a crowd.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 9, 2007 9:45:42 GMT -5
Rock was one of the greatest sports entertainers of all time, and we were all lucky to see him in his prime.
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Post by southside on Aug 9, 2007 9:48:15 GMT -5
The Rock = The Greatest Of All Time
Go look at some old Rock matches and promos and just look at
that crowd reaction. NOBODY gets that in wrestling anymore.
Not on RAW, SMACKDOWN, VELOCITY, HEAT, ECW, TNA, ROH.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Aug 9, 2007 10:00:25 GMT -5
The People's Elbow is similar to the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, I will give you that. The problem is that they are too similar, thus making the 5 Knuckle Shuffle a ripoff of the People's Elbow. The People's Elbow was a funny and original move at the time, whereas the 5 Knuckle Shuffle is generally accepted to be "Cena's Version of the People's Elbow".
The Rock Bottom looks a lot better to be than the FU. Whereas the Rock Bottom is a Legsweep/Uranage, the FU is an elevated Fireman's Carry. I guess it's still a matter of opinion, but I like the Rock Bottom way better and think it looks far more convincing as a finisher.
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Aug 9, 2007 10:01:59 GMT -5
I like Cena and the Rock.
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Post by saggyboyflair on Aug 9, 2007 10:07:00 GMT -5
I enjoyed Rock's early stuff in 98 or 99. His heel run when he was using the guitar was pretty good as well. Especially when he was singing about sacramento. But alot of his promos at times got to be forced much like Austin's and Cena's with the stupid catch phrases and silly stuff. It was probably what the writers were writing for him however. But I admit some of the stuff was stupid. I dont like promos that seem forced to just try and get a little chuckle out of the fans. I prefer something well thought out.
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Post by Captain Spaulding on Aug 9, 2007 10:12:00 GMT -5
Let's see: The Rock wasn't pushed as Superman. He actually lost at times. He never did anything as stupid as Cena's "Marine" gimmick. When he did Hollywood Rock it made sense, here he was back from Hollywood. Cena saluting people after making a horrible movie where he plays a Marine, you can't tell me that isn't dumb. I t was a movie role dammit. If he had come back as "Hollywood" Cena, that I could have bought into. Unfortunately for Cena, The Rock had much better performers to work with. Austin, Foley, Taker in his prime, all better than guys like Khali and Orton. Edge was maybe Cena's best feud to date. Hell, The Rock and Foley together is pretty much the peak of awesome when it comes to the WWE in the last 10 years. Cena is unfortunately on top during a low point. Without the technical skill of a Bret Hart, who smarks seem to latch on too even though he was on top during the previous low period, he's forever going to be a target of smarks. Cena has been dealt weak hands, and has managed to make something out of them. You can't expect him to pull off what The Rock did. I agree with you bro except Cena has had some great competitors to work with Angle, Edge, RVD, Y2J, HHH and HBK. Cena is alright I just don't like WWE force feeding him to me.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:12:11 GMT -5
The Rock cut the most CONSISTENT entertaining promos in the history of the business, and he worked a match like a souped-up Scott Hall, from the fact that he stole Hall/Razor's punches/kicks, and most of his moves...which was perfect for the big-match WWF style.
The Rock was money. And I was a WCW fan/WWF hater as he rose to prominance. Guys like Hulk Hogan come around once every 10, 20, or 30 years. Vince was lucky enough to have two guys of that caliber at the same time (Rock/Austin).
The business may never be that lucky again...
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Aug 9, 2007 10:20:14 GMT -5
weird to say The Rock`s promo came off as forced, seeing as how he adlibbed and improvised most of his promos. (that`s what I`ve heard)
And The Rock, unlike Cena, had a LOT charisma. Cena`s charisma is not near the level as The Rock`s was.
and to actually give The Rock crap for going to Hollywood, is such a lame arguement. So he got a better paid job, doing less touring, with a better health plan, and a job that doesn`t take a big toll on his body. yeah, he must be an idiot for that. yeah I wish the Rock would comeback, but I dont give the dude crap for taking care of his health, and his family security.
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Madagascar Fred
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 9, 2007 10:21:24 GMT -5
Tell me this roody-poo didnt just say that the Rock Bottom is as weak as the FU.
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bigHEADinc
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Post by bigHEADinc on Aug 9, 2007 10:32:50 GMT -5
Okay, being The Rock's biggest fan, I have to restrain myself from just blabbering, but to argue a few points...
People's Elbow vs. 5-Knuckle Shuffle People forget where the People's Elbow originated. The Rock first really started to use the People's Elbow during the end of his "Nation of Domination" run, using it on guys after the Nation usually interfered. The Rock, at that time, still saw hiimself as the People's Champion, but it was in a definite Heel-ish way. Once he started gaining popularity, most of the time his opponent would have already suffered a Rock Bottom before falling to the People's Elbow, but it was all about flash, style, and making people remember The Rock (All a part of his character). When he joined the Corporation, it was back to him using the Elbow simply as something to embarrass his opponents with. This is in direct contradiction with the 5-Knuckle Shuffle in that it is generally used as a mid-to-end match tactic. Also, the Elbow looked a lot more fluid than the awkward Shuffle.
Rock Bottom vs. F-U Really? I can't believe people are even making this comparison.
Rock vs. Cena - Mic Skills I'll give you guys the fact that The Rock did use a lot of homophobic jokes and others involving feces, but he did it in a way that it was always something crazy and different. I did want to hear what he'd be turning sideways and shoving up someone's ass because it was really funny (Like the Undertaker "I want you to roll your eyes into the back of your head, and then go and roll your whole 12 pound head down your back and catch it with your hands, then I want you turn that sumb**** sideways and stick it straight up your candy ass!") Also, Cena isn't as bad on the mic as people make him out to be.
Rock vs. Cena - Ring Work Both have limited move sets, but there's one stark difference, selling. The Rock, like Flair, could make anyone look good in the ring. He sold everything so beautifully and made almost all of his opponents actually look good in the process. Cena doesn't. It's not his fault though, it's just how he's booked. The Rock was booked a lot like Flair throughout his career, be it the heel Rock that would cheat to win or the face Rock that would make a surprise comeback and just shock the hell out of you.
Overall, what's wrong with you people?!
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:44:47 GMT -5
bigHeadinc wraps such a pretty bow around this thread that I'm embarrassed for adding another post...
The Rock is so far superior to a guy like Cena (in every conceivable way) that it's ridiculous. It's not even close. Rock's a better worker, better talker, funnier, cooler, more moves, and if you wanna go there look-wise...he's a bigger draw for the ladies.
Any fan in this era that wants to think Cena is close to The Rock is probably in their early-to-mid teens, and never really realized how awesome WWE once was.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 9, 2007 11:04:47 GMT -5
Overall, what's wrong with you people?! Agreed, I wasn't on-board with the "Rock sucks" crap in 2000, and I thought I was done with it 7 years ago.
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Post by Loki on Aug 9, 2007 11:35:04 GMT -5
I've said it once and I'll say it again: I've never, NEVER, understood how people can stand up and decry Cena for having made poop jokes (though he really hasn't done them since his feud with Booker T over the US Title years ago) and gay jokes over the years, yet The Rock, in his prime and at the peak of his popularity, talked about hermaphrodites, anal insertions and poontang pie, in every single damn promo he cut. Like, every promo from 1999 to 2001 had all that. Yet somehow he's this bastion of awesome promo skills compared to Cena? Give me a break. Agreed 110% The Rock was a catchphrase machine and pretty much made a career out of that. I won't deny some of his stuff was funny, but the majority of the time it was only an excuse to throw in a tired joke about monkey penises, candyasses or some other trite sexual innuendo. At least Cena did it in rhyme... Rock may have been ok as a performer, albeit I'm not a fan of the run-in frenzy that was happening during most of his WWF tenure, but I still find him vastly overrated. Especially considering how picky we can be with other Superstars.
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bigHEADinc
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Post by bigHEADinc on Aug 9, 2007 11:44:36 GMT -5
One more thing...
THE ROCK DID NOT "SELL OUT"!
The original poster (I think) said that The Rock ran to Hollywood. Spare me, Vince pushed him into Hollywood. The Rock brought so much good publicity to the WWF (He was a good looking guy, well spoken, surprisingly alright actor, etc.) that Vince was happy as hell to see him not doing the WWF (That and for The Rock's first 3 movies, Vinny Mac had some sort of producing credit, allowing his self-worth to rise higher). The Rock is the only wrestler who's been able to break through to the mainstream and has fans in guys and girls alike. Yes, The Rock didn't come back to wrestling, but did he need to? No, he did everything he could in wrestling, came back when Vince begged, but he's an actor now.
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