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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Aug 30, 2007 9:57:13 GMT -5
Now, I remember hearing that Orton actually asked for DDP's permission to use the move. Since that is entirely unnecessary in this business, but rather a respectful gesture, why do we care either way?
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Post by skillz on Aug 30, 2007 9:58:14 GMT -5
The RKO looks completely unrealistic to me because Orton seems to care more about elevation than actually making it look real. That's a huge drawback.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Aug 30, 2007 10:11:51 GMT -5
The RKO looks completely unrealistic to me because Orton seems to care more about elevation than actually making it look real. That's a huge drawback. Another huge drawback is how stupid the concept of him giving it to somebody on a chair is. No part of his opponent's body is hitting that chair, only his arm is hitting it, so basically, what exactly is it doing?
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Post by wolfmoon103100 on Aug 30, 2007 10:18:53 GMT -5
IF Orton didn't jump so high we wouldn't get those great RVD like bumps. DDPs goes flat on your face. It also has to do with whos selling it also.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Aug 30, 2007 10:21:24 GMT -5
DDP just lazily grabs the head and goes down
This sentence made me chuckle. My mind is in the gutter..anywho...they're similar looking moves with a significant variation.
Plus, DDP isn't banned from hotel rooms all over London, England.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Aug 30, 2007 10:24:06 GMT -5
The Diamond Cutter can be executed in a variety of situations (off middle rope, fireman's carry, etc), while the RKO is pretty much the same thing each time.
The great thing about DDP's Diamond Cutter was that it usually came out of nowhere. The RKO can be seen coming a mile away.
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Post by krazysane on Aug 30, 2007 10:25:06 GMT -5
I agree with the first post. the headlocks with the psychology of the wrestling. Whats a rko do? Hurt the head and neck. What does a headlock do? Hurt the neck head. So it makes perfect sense to put someone in the hold all the time. Has to soften him up so when the rko gets it, it will be more effective. I maybe just a orton mark, but I also understand the psychology in wrestling.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 30, 2007 10:26:37 GMT -5
DDP's is way better. Orton's version is just a sloppier looking version with weird snake like movements before for no discernable reason and a decent leap.
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Post by Sir Smurf on Aug 30, 2007 10:28:58 GMT -5
and MVP isn't Jonathon Coachman
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Aug 30, 2007 10:31:09 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you were thinking that Orton was going to counter out of the FU with the RKO at Summerslam.
*Raises Hand*
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Aug 30, 2007 10:31:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's necessarily harder to do, but I do prefer the RKO because of the height he gets on it. I think it makes it look more impactful.
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Post by Big L on Aug 30, 2007 12:03:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's necessarily harder to do, but I do prefer the RKO because of the height he gets on it. I think it makes it look more impactful. agreed.....i wanna learn how to do a RKO on someone
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Post by bigHEADinc on Aug 30, 2007 12:11:11 GMT -5
Not everyone can jump 5 smurfing feet high and hit that crap You're absolutely right...not everyone or even Randy Orton can do that. When DDP was feuding with Hall & Nash, he once put Eddie Guerrero in a Razor's Edge, flipped him over on the way down to catch him in mid-air and hit a Diamond Cutter. This was on WCW Saturday Night in early-to-mid 1997. Until Orton starts doing stuff like that with the RKO, I can't really compare the two. But I don't really think they're that much the same. It's like comparing a Double Underhook Powerbomb to a Tiger Driver. Sort of the the same, but not quite, and there's reason enough to think that both look cool when the right guy does them. Man, I don't remember that, but do you remember when he was feuding with Chris Benoit? Benoit was coming down from the top rope with a flying headbutt (fighting somebody, I can't really remember) but as he was jumping, DDP ran into the ring and caught him in midair with the Diamond Cutter. I am by no means a DDP fan, but holy crap that was awesome. Also, to counteract that, I loved Randy Orton's counter to the Undertaker's chokeslam at Wrestlemania 21 into an RKO. I honestly thought he was going to win when that happened. That being said, they're the same move, just executed differently (Kindof like the Book End vs. the Rock Bottom).
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Aug 30, 2007 12:15:48 GMT -5
I don't have a problem calling the RKO a different move than a Diamond Cutter. But to act like the Diamond Cutter is so easy that even a caveman could do it, that's not fair either. I don't doubt that the RKO takes skill, but so does a Diamond Cutter. I'm sorry, but DDP doesn't just put his hand on someone and lay down.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Aug 30, 2007 12:21:35 GMT -5
DDP just lazily grabs the head and goes down This sentence made me chuckle. My mind is in the gutter..anywho... AWW AWWW ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png)
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Aug 30, 2007 12:22:49 GMT -5
this is surreal. theres seriously a three page thread about how the RKO is harder to do than the diamond cutter? are you kidding me? lol
its a wrestling move. its fake. neither takes any more skill than the other. you wouldnt be able to do either in a real fight. if it wasnt for the participation of the otehr guy in the ring, it would never work.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 30, 2007 12:24:20 GMT -5
Seconding OH SNAP. I don't mind either.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Aug 30, 2007 12:38:42 GMT -5
Always looked to me like DDP practiced for hours daily to make the cutter look great... and it worked. He was so over with that move.
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Post by Ridley on Aug 30, 2007 12:40:07 GMT -5
this is surreal. theres seriously a three page thread about how the RKO is harder to do than the diamond cutter? are you kidding me? lol its a wrestling move. its fake. neither takes any more skill than the other. you wouldnt be able to do either in a real fight. if it wasnt for the participation of the otehr guy in the ring, it would never work. Does create a fantastic image of someone flying past you in a fight though. *whoosh* "What was that?" Of course if you're Jericho that's already happened...
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Aug 30, 2007 12:49:35 GMT -5
I agree that the move takes an absurd amount of coordination, and that it is not a Diamond Cutter. Even in the SvR games, you can see the difference.
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