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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Sept 5, 2007 10:35:47 GMT -5
TNA hiring Flair as a booker would probably spell disaster for WWE if done right now. It would be a disaster alright: For TNA!!!!! Flair had two stints as booker for WCW. Did not work out real well. Also, there is ZERO chance of Flair showing up on the first two-hour Impact in October, because if Flaire is granted a release, WWE will damn sure use a 90-day no-compete clause as a condition of his early release. WWE is not that stupid.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 5, 2007 10:40:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know that Flair as booker would be the right way to go either.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 5, 2007 10:42:20 GMT -5
TNA hiring Flair as a booker would probably spell disaster for WWE if done right now. It would be a disaster alright: For TNA!!!!! Flair had two stints as booker for WCW. Did not work out real well. Also, there is ZERO chance of Flair showing up on the first two-hour Impact in October, because if Flaire is granted a release, WWE will damn sure use a 90-day no-compete clause as a condition of his early release. WWE is not that stupid. Flair was a crappy booker. "Let's see: Mick loses ear fighting Vader. EASY sure-fire feud. Yeah, let's put a stop to that." Same douche bag that killed Cactus Jack being WCW champ.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 5, 2007 10:48:37 GMT -5
Well, I just read the whole thread.
I don't agree with a lot of the posters insisting that he deserves one last farewell run with the WHC (and let's be honest, the lineage of that belt only goes back as far as 2002), but if neither side is able to work anything out, I'll be disappointed.
Flair looks like he's about to keel over and die every time he wrestles now, but since he's decided to hang around for this long, he might as well end his in-ring career with a little more pomp and circumstance. A good-bye match at Mania would be awesome, but I don't think that it should be tied to the title scene.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Sept 5, 2007 10:50:38 GMT -5
2007 Flair has better workrate then Khali
fact.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 5, 2007 10:52:52 GMT -5
It would be a disaster alright: For TNA!!!!! Flair had two stints as booker for WCW. Did not work out real well. Also, there is ZERO chance of Flair showing up on the first two-hour Impact in October, because if Flaire is granted a release, WWE will damn sure use a 90-day no-compete clause as a condition of his early release. WWE is not that stupid. Flair was a crappy booker. "Let's see: Mick loses ear fighting Vader. EASY sure-fire feud. Yeah, let's put a stop to that." Same douche bag that killed Cactus Jack being WCW champ. Vader and Cactus had feuded long before that ear incident, and when that incident happened it was after their feud in a regular match overseas as Cactus was in a middle of a feud with the Nasty Boys along with Maxx Payne as his partner. They probably should've played up the ear deal a bit, but meh what can you do?
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Post by markdown474 on Sept 5, 2007 11:27:01 GMT -5
I have trouble believing Flair will stop wrestling all together even if he does have a "farewell match" at the next WrestleMania. He seems too much like Terry Funk in the respect that he loves being in that ring.
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Post by Loki on Sept 5, 2007 12:27:25 GMT -5
2007 Flair has better workrate then Khali fact. Opinion. And Khali doesn't need WORKRATE. He's a frigging giant and that's how he works. Flair may have all the workrate of this world, but that can't make it up for the fact he's OLD and seems on the verge of a cardiocirculatory arrest after 3 minutes in the ring. And that's a fair enough reason to keep him away from ANY belt in WWE. Unless they can come up with a remotely acceptlable booking for a fluke, one day, reign. That would add nothing to Flair's legacy.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 5, 2007 12:36:11 GMT -5
2007 Flair has better workrate then Khali fact. Opinion. And Khali doesn't need WORKRATE. He's a frigging giant and that's how he works. Flair may have all the workrate of this world, but that can't make it up for the fact he's OLD and seems on the verge of a cardiocirculatory arrest after 3 minutes in the ring. And that's a fair enough reason to keep him away from ANY belt in WWE. Unless they can come up with a remotely acceptlable booking for a fluke, one day, reign. That would add nothing to Flair's legacy. QFT. I'm been insisting that he should become a commentator or manage a stable for years now. He can still make his money by being on TV in various capacities, but why, exactly, does he need to wrestle? And I'm sure that a lot of fans enjoy him hobble and wheeze and chop every Friday night, but I'm not among them anymore.
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Post by vinnie245 on Sept 5, 2007 12:37:42 GMT -5
It's about time Flair laced up his boots imo
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Sept 5, 2007 12:41:34 GMT -5
I pretty much figured the guy was done for when I saw him wrestle Kurt Angle on Raw, and he fell off the top rope because he was so blown up.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 5, 2007 12:41:57 GMT -5
If he was a personality that didn't wrestle that often and came in for a cameo appearance and a special match on PPV every now and then, he'd probably be a bigger deal than he is wrestling on SD or Raw against the likes of Kenny Dykstra in feuds that no one gives a shit about.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Sept 5, 2007 13:03:43 GMT -5
Well, Ric has a condition where his heart skips a beat once in a while, and I'm concerned that can happen to him in the ring.q
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Sept 5, 2007 13:10:41 GMT -5
It's about time Flair laced up his boots imo So you want him to wrestle right now?
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Post by Conor*Charisma on Sept 5, 2007 13:28:34 GMT -5
Has Flair ever been regarded as a good booker? I mean i hear he has gotten lots of heat from his WCW Days. But did he ever really shine as a booker anywhere?
(Yeah I think its time for him to go. His career should of ended after his feud with Triple H)
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 5, 2007 13:35:21 GMT -5
Flair was a pretty good booker in 1989 NWA/WCW. That year was balls. Flair-Steamboat, Flair-Funk, the rise of The Steiners, Muta's first great push under the gimmick that he was The Great Kabuki's "son" (which Muta evolved into a gimmick that would define his career), and a promotion built around tons of great matches.
His tenure only started to get crappy as his vision for WCW clashed with Jim Herd's vision, which included more and more kiddie gimmicks and Road Warrior rip-offs.
Flair did have a booking vision that he wanted WCW focused around a serious, NWA World Title division built around himself, Steamboat, Funker, Sting, Luger, and was trying to get Herd to open up Turner's wallet and sign Kerry Von Erich, then steal away Ted DiBiase and Curt Hennig from WWF, since Vince didn't lock guys up in contracts like he does now.
Bret Hart and The Rockers also flirted with jumping to WCW more than once from 1989-92, and Flair supposedly pushed the brass to bring them in too when he got the book...but instead of opening up the Turner pocketbook to lock up much of the best and most promising talent in the business (which WCW would do five and six years later), Herd cheaply appeased Flair by signing some of his low-priced veteran cronies like Dick Slater, Butch Reed, Bob Orton, JYD, Dick Murdoch, The Iron Sheik, etc.
If Herd would've listened to Flair's original vision for WCW in 1989 when he was booking, that could've been one of the greatest in-ring promotions in wrestling history, especially when directly compared to WWE's cartoon steroid clown show back then. I'd figure if Flair booked today, he'd show the same appreciation for great matches and great, well-rounded talent that he showed back in the day. For a guy who supposedly held down young talent, he was a hell of an office proponent for guys like Sting, Scotty Steiner, Muta, and Brian Pillman when he got the book in 1989. And hell, Flair used to do stuff like book himself against Bobby Eaton for 30 minutes, if for no other reason than he thought people would have fun watching two guys have a great match.
Flair's other tenure as booker (1994) was forever tainted by his push for Bischoff to sign Hogan, only to let the Hulkster walk all over him and Vader. Reading old issues of the Torch, it seems as if that were the biggest frustration with Flair's booking from newsletter writers and fan feedback, was that Flair would just allow Hogan & his friends like Beefcake and Duggan to walk all over everybody in WCW.
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Post by Conor*Charisma on Sept 5, 2007 13:38:09 GMT -5
Flair was a pretty good booker in 1989 NWA/WCW. That year was balls. Flair-Steamboat, Flair-Funk, the rise of The Steiners, Muta's first great push under the gimmick that he was The Great Kabuki's "son" (which Muta evolved into a gimmick that would define his career), and a promotion built around tons of great matches. His tenure only started to get crappy as his vision for WCW clashed with Jim Herd's vision, which included more and more kiddie gimmicks and Road Warrior rip-offs. Flair did have a booking vision that he wanted WCW focused around a serious, NWA World Title division built around himself, Steamboat, Funker, Sting, Luger, and was trying to get Herd to open up Turner's wallet and sign Kerry Von Erich, then steal away Ted DiBiase and Curt Hennig from WWF, since Vince didn't lock guys up in contracts like he does now. Bret Hart and The Rockers also flirted with jumping to WCW more than once from 1989-92, and Flair supposedly pushed the brass to bring them in too when he got the book...but instead of opening up the Turner pocketbook to lock up much of the best and most promising talent in the business (which WCW would do five and six years later), Herd cheaply appeased Flair by signing some of his low-priced veteran cronies like Dick Slater, Butch Reed, Bob Orton, JYD, Dick Murdoch, The Iron Sheik, etc. If Herd would've listened to Flair's original vision for WCW in 1989 when he was booking, that could've been one of the greatest in-ring promotions in wrestling history, especially when directly compared to WWE's cartoon steroid clown show back then. I'd figure if Flair booked today, he'd show the same appreciation for great matches and great, well-rounded talent that he showed back in the day. For a guy who supposedly held down young talent, he was a hell of an office proponent for guys like Sting, Scotty Steiner, Muta, and Brian Pillman when he got the book in 1989. And hell, Flair used to do stuff like book himself against Bobby Eaton for 30 minutes, if for no other reason than he thought people would have fun watching two guys have a great match. Flair's other tenure as booker (1994) was forever tainted by his push for Bischoff to sign Hogan, only to let the Hulkster walk all over him and Vader. Reading old issues of the Torch, it seems as if that were the biggest frustration with Flair's booking from newsletter writers and fan feedback, was that Flair would just allow Hogan & his friends like Beefcake and Duggan to walk all over everybody in WCW. Thanks a lot. I didn't expect an answer as good and as detailed as that. Great Job.
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Post by DeuceDominoMark on Sept 5, 2007 13:39:25 GMT -5
Forgive me..... DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD...!
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Sept 5, 2007 13:42:43 GMT -5
So from now on he'll be:
Jet Blue flying! Yellow cab catching! Great American Scream Machine riding!
(Gotta watch that spending)
Seriously, they'd treat him and any other WWE star like a king over in TNA...for awhile...but the money would ease the pain.
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Post by Desi on Sept 5, 2007 13:45:26 GMT -5
This just sounds like Flair got heated and blurted out that he was done. I see him more taking a break than actually quitting anytime soon.
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