"Hollywood" Cactus Matt
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Sept 5, 2007 3:45:35 GMT -5
Every job I've ever had, I knew when to argue, and when to kiss ass. Does choosing my battles make me eligible for the "backstage politician" label? I'm not trying to debate if Flair is better than other people as far as politics goes; I'm really more concerned with his work ethic and overness. (which seem to be the Holy Grail of the IWC.) And really, who's to say that he and HHH don't genuinely like each other? Of course I'm gonna look out for my friends; who would you rather work with? Your good friend, or Generic Douchebag #741? If you said your friend, then consider yourself a "backstage politician," just like all the other people that get IWC hate. Ric Flair is the man, and no matter how much sense your arguments might make, I will always think that. Call me smarky, call me ignorant, call me what you will ... all I can respond with is ... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Yeah, sorry. I've been drinking, and that's the best I could do. I'll be back tomorrow, I swear. And I'll have better reasoning, too! You talk like there's something wrong with being a backstage pol... I never said there was. You're stupid if you're not, because then you're likely to be trampled on, do jobs that you really shouldn't be doing, and not get the push you deserve. I was arguing the counter-point. I thought you were saying there was something wrong with it. My bad. So we agree? On that point, anyway......
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Post by Baixo Astral on Sept 5, 2007 3:48:54 GMT -5
You talk like there's something wrong with being a backstage pol... I never said there was. You're stupid if you're not, because then you're likely to be trampled on, do jobs that you really shouldn't be doing, and not get the push you deserve. I was arguing the counter-point. I thought you were saying there was something wrong with it. My bad. So we agree? On that point, anyway...... Yeah, we agree... I just doubt that people would be skirting that issue if it was someone less liked by the IWC (dur dur durrrr!!!)... if it was Hogan, Michael, Nash or someone of their ilk, it would be them pulling a powerplay.
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Post by Loki on Sept 5, 2007 4:05:03 GMT -5
Ok, that's quite a news, if it's legit.
Flair may have a point. Considering WWE are currently in a messy situation, with the Benoit thing, the Congress hearings and the steroid suspensions, Flair probably feel like he'd "help" WWE in this time of misery.
And to an extent, with the horrible lack of starpower on the roster (injuries and suspensions), a 16-time World Champion could be a valuable asset. BUT it's hard to deny good ol' Ric isn't in top condition anymore. Charisma and psychology can only get you so far in a match. The man is 60, and his stamina is low. The quality and the length of his bouts has dropped significantly, and all the chops and the WOOOO of this world can't save the day by themselves.
So, a 60 years old Champion, who turns purple five minutes into the match, should get a push and possibly a title "just" because he's Ric f'n Flair?
Then let's stop complaining about WWE not building up new stars, if we're more willing to take an old geezer as a Champ , just because he was once the greatest.
Give the new guys a chance to shine, instead of being tied to Rock's, Flair's, Hogan's, Austin's and Jericho's apron strings.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 5, 2007 4:06:17 GMT -5
I read in a SD community on livejournal that the Torch reported that Flair asked for his release, but that WWE didn't grant it. This is the only thing reported so far by PWTorch WWE News: Ric Flair quits WWE, both sides trying to work things outBy Wade Keller, Torch editor Sep 4, 2007, 21:40 Ric Flair has quit WWE over frustration with his push and a lack of any encouraging communication from the front office.
There are now discussions to try to talk him into cooling off and agreeing to not quit.
His situation doesn't appear to be at all related to the suspensions, although he's now more valuable with some names being gone for a month.
If things don't work out, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Flair could be offered a sweet and tempting deal to be part of TNA's two hour launch. TNA is interested and aware of the situation._______________ End of their report. This could get interesting as he was considered to be such a WWE lifer at this point, that who knows what his actual current contractual agreement was. It's been over five years since he initially signed with WWE. None of the Time Warner contracted guys Flair came in with are still there (Hogan, Goldberg, The Outsiders, DDP, Scott Steiner), nor did any of them stay particularly long. I wouldn't assume that Vince would've locked Flair up any more than any of those guys for any long period, since you could argue that Flair had the least to offer WWE in 2002, and by 2003, he was the least obvious threat to ever leave for any reason. Even Hogan was working Wrestlemanias and Summerslams on a handshake agreement with Vince. People are rarely ever reported as "quitting" WWE. That's why this is interesting. Flair showing up on the first two-hour TNA Impact in October wouldn't make too much of a difference in the grand scheme of things (because TNA's too far underneath WWE's radar), but it'd be pretty cool for wrestling in general to have something wild like that happen. Especially if TNA handed the guy a mic for five minutes. Not to shoot. Just to be Ric Flair, damnit.
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Post by hulkblood on Sept 5, 2007 4:25:45 GMT -5
Wasnt Flair planning on running for mayor of North Carolina in 2008? if so this means the Wrestlemania route is best way to bow a hall of fame induction and a match. But Flair does need to call it quits wrestling-wise cos his performance is in decline and thats natural cos he's pushing 60 and i would rather see Flair go out with the dignity and respect he deserves rather than keep going till he's immobile like Terry Funk and before anyone starts i aint slagging Funk im just telling it like it is.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Sept 5, 2007 5:35:07 GMT -5
Flair quit?! Oh my God! Santa got my letter!
Seriously, it's about time. Flair has no believability at his age. I can't buy Flair being in the main event (or even in the high midcard) at his age anymore than I can buy Mysterio beating Khali in a fistfight. And as someone that never saw his "legendary work," (I was never a WCW fan and I'm only 26 so I didn't even know some of the older promotions existed until the Internet) I can't take him seriously as the legend he thinks he is. I'm sure I'm not alone on this. There's a generation of wrestling fans who only know Flair as the boil on Trip's ass and a guy who jobs to everyone so they can say they beat a 16 time champion. It's already too late to undo a lot of the damage he's done to his legacy by not knowing when to quit, but he can at least not do any more.
Apologies if some of this has been already been said, it's 6 AM and my brain will be jelly if I try to read 12 pages of posts hehe.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 5, 2007 5:41:54 GMT -5
Flair quit?! Oh my God! Santa got my letter! Seriously, it's about time. Flair has no believability at his age. I can't buy Flair being in the main event (or even in the high midcard) at his age anymore than I can buy Mysterio beating Khali in a fistfight. And as someone that never saw his "legendary work," (I was never a WCW fan and I'm only 26 so I didn't even know some of the older promotions existed until the Internet) I can't take him seriously as the legend he thinks he is. I'm sure I'm not alone on this. There's a generation of wrestling fans who only know Flair as the boil on Trip's ass and a guy who jobs to everyone so they can say they beat a 16 time champion. It's already too late to undo a lot of the damage he's done to his legacy by not knowing when to quit, but he can at least not do any more. Apologies if some of this has been already been said, it's 6 AM and my brain will be jelly if I try to read 12 pages of posts hehe. Perhaps but his DVD that was released in late 03 (and I heard was a good seller) kinda helped fans who didn't see his older stuff to know how he was. At this point, can't really blame him, he's been a glorified jobber for a long time now.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Sept 5, 2007 6:23:04 GMT -5
I truly hope that cooler heads prevail. Flair should be able to go out on top (i.e. at WM).
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Post by willywonka666 on Sept 5, 2007 6:30:33 GMT -5
I doubt Flair will go without a farewell match-and He deserves a tribute show at the very least
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 6:44:10 GMT -5
I hope Flair stays with WWE but hangs it up at WrestleMania 24. He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time and he deserves one final farewell match.
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 5, 2007 7:04:40 GMT -5
Has WWE said anything yet? I read this topic last night when it was on Page 3 and I don't feel like read this whole thing through.
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Post by seano on Sept 5, 2007 7:09:56 GMT -5
Let him go now, but work out a deal to put him in the HOF at WM24 and give him one last match at that PPV. Wasnt Flair planning on running for mayor of North Carolina in 2008? And this is why I luv the internets.
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Post by Captain Spaulding on Sept 5, 2007 7:15:28 GMT -5
I don't wanna see Flair quit being that it's so close to him going out at next years WM, but I can see where he's coming from as far as creative goes.
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Post by bella on Sept 5, 2007 7:22:28 GMT -5
I doubt Flair will go without a farewell match-and He deserves a tribute show at the very least Absolutely! He's a legend and doesn't deserve an end like this.
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Post by MGH on Sept 5, 2007 8:11:01 GMT -5
RIC FLAIR AND WWE IN CONTRACT DISPUTE by Dave Scherer @ 9:01:01 AM on 9/5/2007
Pro Wrestling Torch reported last evening that Ric Flair has given notice to WWE because he didn't like the way his character is being used and that the sides are still talking about patching things up and getting him back to work.
In doing a little digging I found that Flair gave notice a few weeks ago, before the growth enhancer scandal broke. Sources close to Flair told me that even though he knows he is near the end of his legendary career, he has grown tired of how the company has used him. Now, with all of the suspensions that the company has had to deal with, Flair's bargaining position has improved and WWE has offered him a bigger role. Part of the problem is that over the last month or so, Flair has been dealing with some personal issues involving his children. From what I have been told, that has had an effect on his overall mood.
WWE is doing everything that they can to get Flair back and is moving forward as if he will return. My hunch is that they will work this out. Flair has made a lot of money over his career but has spent a lot too and WWE is his best option to earn more at this point in his career.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 5, 2007 8:28:21 GMT -5
I'm not going to miss him at all, sorry.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 5, 2007 8:30:46 GMT -5
I'm not going to miss him at all, sorry. Since he wasn't on TV anyway, I can understand your position. I hope he works something out to at least finish his contract in some fashion.
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Post by Kae on Sept 5, 2007 8:51:56 GMT -5
After all he's done for the business, I'd prefer Flair to go out on a high note. He should have some sort of golden parachute. It wouldn't bother me if he buried Khali, because - let's face it - Khali's hardly a long-term investment and future hall-of-famer. He's on the last of the three shows, having done the same thing on all of them. What does that say?
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Post by jamofpearls on Sept 5, 2007 10:12:26 GMT -5
Flair quit?! Oh my God! Santa got my letter! Seriously, it's about time. Flair has no believability at his age. I can't buy Flair being in the main event (or even in the high midcard) at his age anymore than I can buy Mysterio beating Khali in a fistfight. And as someone that never saw his "legendary work," (I was never a WCW fan and I'm only 26 so I didn't even know some of the older promotions existed until the Internet) I can't take him seriously as the legend he thinks he is. I'm sure I'm not alone on this. There's a generation of wrestling fans who only know Flair as the boil on Trip's ass and a guy who jobs to everyone so they can say they beat a 16 time champion. It's already too late to undo a lot of the damage he's done to his legacy by not knowing when to quit, but he can at least not do any more. Apologies if some of this has been already been said, it's 6 AM and my brain will be jelly if I try to read 12 pages of posts hehe. Well, yer only two years younger than me, and I remember a whole hell of a lot of it. With all he's given the business, he deserves one last look at the top before going out.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 5, 2007 10:16:48 GMT -5
Flair quit?! Oh my God! Santa got my letter! Seriously, it's about time. Flair has no believability at his age. I can't buy Flair being in the main event (or even in the high midcard) at his age anymore than I can buy Mysterio beating Khali in a fistfight. And as someone that never saw his "legendary work," (I was never a WCW fan and I'm only 26 so I didn't even know some of the older promotions existed until the Internet) I can't take him seriously as the legend he thinks he is. I'm sure I'm not alone on this. There's a generation of wrestling fans who only know Flair as the boil on Trip's ass and a guy who jobs to everyone so they can say they beat a 16 time champion. It's already too late to undo a lot of the damage he's done to his legacy by not knowing when to quit, but he can at least not do any more. Apologies if some of this has been already been said, it's 6 AM and my brain will be jelly if I try to read 12 pages of posts hehe. Ya missed some good stuff.
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