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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 10, 2007 23:05:20 GMT -5
I sort of disagree with the "at least this didn't ruin Kennedy" sentiments. I think Kennedy's charismatic enough and talented enough on the stick to have shaken any negative long-term stigma associated with being "McMahon's son". And if he couldn't have shaken the stigma, and he were eventually fired from WWE or left for somewhere else, who's to say that being marked forever as "Vince's son" would've worked out in a bad way for Kennedy? He could've used that as an interesting angle when he entered somewhere else. He could have it bite WWE in the ass by still playing up the fact that he was "Vince McMahon's son" if he wanted to, and worked it right, sort of like how Bischoff used Scott Hall to name drop those cheesy-ass Billionaire Ted and Nacho Man WWF skits in his first Nitro promo...but "from the WWF's side". Vince McMahon's "son" trying to get a job in ROH or TNA would be fun. Use Vince's own bad ideas against him. Kennedy wouldn't be able to call himself "Mr. Kennedy" outside of WWE, but he could've always alluded to being "Vince's son" (with a wink). That label wouldn't have Red Rooster'd Kennedy's career if he chose to use it to his advantage, and he's one of the few performers entertaining enough to make that bad idea work in his favor. But yeah, Hornswoggle is kinda lame, and they telegraphed the hell out of it with the "he has a fondness for gold" second clue. From there, it felt like waiting ten more minutes for a dumb payoff...and I love how HHH made sure he was involved on camera the entire time. I can already picture the screencap of HHH patting Hornswoggle's head in the WrestleCrap induction. I can see your point about Ken being charismatic enough to shake off the stigma. I just think it's totally unnecessary to saddle him with it in the first place. It'd have been an extra add-on that he didn't really need.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Sept 10, 2007 23:06:37 GMT -5
Now that I think about this, I think a better storyline altogether would have been to find out that Vince McMahon had a brother, and that Vince Sr actually willed the company to that person. That would threaten Vince's position in the eyes of the fans. That's what made the attitude era great. The perception that Vince was fighting each week for his livelihood (in kayfabe and for real I guess). And Vince's illegitimate brother is.............ERIC BISCOFF-MCMAHON!!!!!!!!! Hey WWE Creative I can book better than you! It makes sense for so many reasons. Number one Vince fired Bischoff and Eric wants to get revenge. Two Vince "killed" his company. Three is a competive prick like Vince and wants to take over the WWE Empire, for mostly his own greed and Vince wants to keep whats his. Wow now thats an intreasting storyline to go into Wrestlemania in a street fight for the ownership of WWE. Way better than Hornswoggle being the son. Or throw in that Vince knew all along from his father's will and Bischoff never knew he was the brother. And then you add a whole new reason to the Monday Night Wars and why Vince was always hell bent on not losing to his brother. Would be very cool. Or that same thing with Heyman.. and then have that explain why he tried to keep ECW in business and why he always trying to help them out. Heyman would've had no idea.. and then you could (well, it would never happen in WWE..) start an old school wrestling movement versus Vince's sports entertainment.
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Post by Error on Sept 10, 2007 23:06:48 GMT -5
Now that I think about this, I think a better storyline altogether would have been to find out that Vince McMahon had a brother, and that Vince Sr actually willed the company to that person. That would threaten Vince's position in the eyes of the fans. That's what made the attitude era great. The perception that Vince was fighting each week for his livelihood (in kayfabe and for real I guess). And Vince's illegitimate brother is.............ERIC BISCHOFF-MCMAHON!!!!!!!!! Hey WWE Creative I can book better than you! It makes sense for so many reasons. Number one Vince fired Bischoff and Eric wants to get revenge. Two Vince "killed" his company. Three is a competive prick like Vince and wants to take over the WWE Empire, for mostly his own greed and Vince wants to keep whats his. Wow now thats an intreasting storyline to go into Wrestlemania in a street fight for the ownership of WWE. Way better than Hornswoggle being the son. I like it but, Bischoff isn't under WWE contract and has a lot of other things that he is doing now.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 10, 2007 23:06:53 GMT -5
That woulda been interesting. Or maybe play upon the real life deal where if Vince ever missed a payment the company would revert to the conglomerate of original partners that Gorilla Monsoon and those guys were a part of. Introduce someone representing them.. something. Woah woah woah.. I've never heard this story about Monsoon + partners!! Sounds like the most exciting thing I can learn about at 12AM EST. When Vince Sr. intially sold to Vince the deal was something like if Vince was ever late on a payment the company would revert back to Vince Sr. business partners, of which Monsoon was part.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 10, 2007 23:07:46 GMT -5
well....Vince wont be having any new kids for a while since his grapefruits are repeatedly getting kicked by Mickey Mouse.....if you check the Monday Night ratings overall I mean
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Post by phillyslammin on Sept 10, 2007 23:08:42 GMT -5
I think it's funny.
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Post by wwod on Sept 10, 2007 23:09:59 GMT -5
Is anyone else a little upset that we never got to see the woman Vince slept with?
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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 10, 2007 23:12:19 GMT -5
Is anyone else annoyed at the fact that this is now a comedy angle just because Hornswaggle is a dwarf?
I Mean, the only reason everyone is pissed, and this is the unfortunate truth, Is because he's a dwarf, and everyone knows we can't take dwarfs seriously, right? Because they're short and all.
I say that It makes the most sense for the sun to not be a permenant wrestler at least. McMahon's are supposed to be the brains, the ones who stand back and create situations, and solve or create problems. If It was another non-wrestler, like JBL or mabe Todd Grisham, you would have three Mcmahon siblings that could argue or have one be the GM of each brand.
So I don't think the backlash is about a non-wrestler, or that someone else that's funny should have done it, or that another manager should have done it ect...ect.. The problem seems to me, that deep down inside, people think It's rediculous that the Mcmahon child is a dwarf.
I think the angle is funny, because Vince's ego is so huge that he thinks that only the "good" ones would be his son, guys with big physiques like Khali, and now, he sees that his son is Hornswaggle.
That's the angle: Hornswaggle is a human being just like anyone else in the WWE. He is no more a freak of nature than Kane or Khali, but Vince is going crazy because he believes that normal sized people are better, and he just can't possibly believe that a dwarf would be related to "Vince almighty".
Alot of us might not get this, are we the bad guys here?
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Sept 10, 2007 23:14:45 GMT -5
Man, right now WWE reminds me of my latest ex...
I really can't stand her, but I put up with her and talk to her occasionally to see what's going on. I think about her a lot, but really that's only because there's no one else in my life to occupy that thought power with. She used to be really awesome and the type of girlfriend that even my friend's thought was cool, then turned into the type that I got made fun of for having because she had evolved into what can only be described as "taking me as stupid" for putting up with it as long as I did.
However every once in awhile when I talk to her, I feel that spark again.. and it reminds me of the good times I had and she seems like the old her.
THEN...
She pulls a Hornswoggle.
WWE is pretty much like an ex girlfriend to me now.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 10, 2007 23:15:04 GMT -5
Is anyone else annoyed at the fact that this is now a comedy angle just because Hornswaggle is a dwarf? I Mean, the only reason everyone is pissed, and this is the unfortunate truth, Is because he's a dwarf, and everyone knows we can't take dwarfs seriously, right? Because they're short and all. I say that It makes the most sense for the sun to not be a permenant wrestler at least. McMahon's are supposed to be the brains, the ones who stand back and create situations, and solve or create problems. If It was another non-wrestler, like JBL or mabe Todd Grisham, you would have three Mcmahon siblings that could argue or have one be the GM of each brand. So I don't think the backlash is about a non-wrestler, or that someone else that's funny should have done it, or that another manager should have done it ect...ect.. The problem seems to me, that deep down inside, people think It's rediculous that the Mcmahon child is a dwarf. I think the angle is funny, because Vince's ego is so huge that he thinks that only the "good" ones would be his son, guys with big physiques like Khali, and now, he sees that his son is Hornswaggle. That's the angle: Hornswaggle is a human being just like anyone else in the WWE. He is no more a freak of nature than Kane or Khali, but Vince is going crazy because he believes that normal sized people are better, and he just can't possibly believe that a dwarf would be related to "Vince almighty". Alot of us might not get this, are we the bad guys here? Makes sense. I agree.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Sept 10, 2007 23:16:01 GMT -5
It's a Triple H prank.
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Post by wwod on Sept 10, 2007 23:16:09 GMT -5
I aggree with you 100%. If it was a black superstar, it would have been bad if Vince was upset by that fact alone. But a little person? HA HA HA! That's high comedy.
This is all pretty gross, if you ask me. And I'm 6'3"
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 10, 2007 23:16:10 GMT -5
Man, right now WWE reminds me of my latest ex... I really can't stand her, but I put up with her and talk to her occasionally to see what's going on. I think about her a lot, but really that's only because there's no one else in my life to occupy that thought power with. She used to be really awesome and the type of girlfriend that even my friend's thought was cool, then turned into the type that I got made fun of for having because she had evolved into what can only be described as "taking me as stupid" for putting up with it as long as I did. However every once in awhile when I talk to her, I feel that spark again.. and it reminds me of the good times I had and she seems like the old her. THEN... She pulls a Hornswoggle. WWE is pretty much like an ex girlfriend to me now. That's actually a pretty good simile for how I feel about the E right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2007 23:17:11 GMT -5
This is our gooker award winner I think.
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Post by Zen411 on Sept 10, 2007 23:17:19 GMT -5
I totally called this last week in the "Who's the Kid?" thread!
I think it will be funny to see Hornswoggle wearing pastel jackets like McMahon and doing the "Youre Fired" bit. McMahon will be annoyed by him a lot and it will be funny. It's so much more entertaining to see McMahon annoyed than being evil.
Did anyone wonder why Finlay wasn't there? If he was there, he would have fit all of the clues til the end. White, fair hair, not extreme, former champ, single champ, etc. I guess it wouldnt make the revelation as surprising.
For all the haters, remember when Kennedy slammed Hornswoggle off of the ladder at WM23? Who's to say Kennedy won't come out in a few weeks and attack Hornswoggle much to Vince's approval? Then Kennedy can give a similar speech like he did last week and say he may not be Vince's real son but can be the "son he never had." Vince could then "Adopt" Kennedy as his "son" and Hornswoggle could align with HHH for the feud.
The one disappointment I had was the announcement by the lawyer guy. He should have sent out a midget lady and Vince would look shocked and then Hornswoggle would run out and hug VInce.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 10, 2007 23:18:06 GMT -5
What does this mean for Finlay anyway?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 10, 2007 23:19:54 GMT -5
What does this mean for Finlay anyway? He's Vince's quarter-cousin twice removed from his mother's side?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 10, 2007 23:19:55 GMT -5
See, I don't get the 'ex girlfriend' analogy at all really for the simple fact that to me, it's a tv show I enjoy watching, that sometimes is better than others, when it's good I really enjoy it, when it's bad, meh there's always next week.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Sept 10, 2007 23:21:05 GMT -5
Is anyone else annoyed at the fact that this is now a comedy angle just because Hornswaggle is a dwarf? I Mean, the only reason everyone is pissed, and this is the unfortunate truth, Is because he's a dwarf, and everyone knows we can't take dwarfs seriously, right? Because they're short and all. I say that It makes the most sense for the sun to not be a permenant wrestler at least. McMahon's are supposed to be the brains, the ones who stand back and create situations, and solve or create problems. If It was another non-wrestler, like JBL or mabe Todd Grisham, you would have three Mcmahon siblings that could argue or have one be the GM of each brand. So I don't think the backlash is about a non-wrestler, or that someone else that's funny should have done it, or that another manager should have done it ect...ect.. The problem seems to me, that deep down inside, people think It's rediculous that the Mcmahon child is a dwarf. I think the angle is funny, because Vince's ego is so huge that he thinks that only the "good" ones would be his son, guys with big physiques like Khali, and now, he sees that his son is Hornswaggle. That's the angle: Hornswaggle is a human being just like anyone else in the WWE. He is no more a freak of nature than Kane or Khali, but Vince is going crazy because he believes that normal sized people are better, and he just can't possibly believe that a dwarf would be related to "Vince almighty". Alot of us might not get this, are we the bad guys here? Makes sense. I agree. If you play off people's real emotions towards the fear of having a child that's not "normal", you could really hit home with a solid angle. We're in a society that strives for being normal.. and if you made it a little serious, and showed Hornswoggle as really trying to gain his father's love and respect, despite his dad's own "pre-determined viewpoints". It could be great.. but you'd have to give Paul Heyman the book, revert back via time travel to 1995, replace Vince with Shane Douglas, make Hornswoggle a regular dwarf (no Irish leprachaun stuff), and make the angle serious and really really hit people close to their hearts and keep comedy as far out of it as possible.
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Post by Stotty on Sept 10, 2007 23:22:51 GMT -5
Do you think this is the end of the angle? (except for a few weeks worth of comedy skits) A big part of me is still holding out for this to be a swerve to keep things going until kennedy returns. This hornswaggle thing is just a way to prolong things for 30 days when Kennedy gets back and is revealed as the true son. I just hope i didn't get so into an angle that ends like this. Wishful thinking?
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