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Post by The OP on Sept 11, 2007 21:55:43 GMT -5
I'm really not sure it's such a bad thing that they didn't just hotshot Shelton into the main event like they do with a lot of newer guys with potential.
I mean, put yourself in a booker's shoes for a minute. You've got a new guy with a lot of talent that's very naturally athletic. Might as well wait to use him to his full potential when you really need him, don't you think?
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 11, 2007 22:07:09 GMT -5
No charisma.
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Post by carter 15 on Sept 11, 2007 22:12:10 GMT -5
He did have a chance to get over.. TWO actually, although neither were great, they were there.
I'm a big fan of Shelton, but to say he hasn't been given a chance is wrong. He held the IC title what.. 5 months after beating Jericho for it.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 11, 2007 22:21:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Shelton go to ECW. They need more guys and he'll probably be treated well there.
Punk vs. Shelton feud? *drool*
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Post by slasher911 on Sept 11, 2007 22:26:03 GMT -5
Not only does he have no charisma, it's embarassing when he tries to act like he does. Even when he had the IC-title and was winning regularly, it was sad watching him come out and try his hardest to pump up a crowd, only to get crickets.
He's not as bad as Haas though.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 11, 2007 22:28:21 GMT -5
I'm really not sure it's such a bad thing that they didn't just hotshot Shelton into the main event like they do with a lot of newer guys with potential. I mean, put yourself in a booker's shoes for a minute. You've got a new guy with a lot of talent that's very naturally athletic. Might as well wait to use him to his full potential when you really need him, don't you think? Naturally, but they didn't do it for the wrong reasons. It's one thing to say "This guy isn't ready to be champion, I'm not going to just slap the belt on him right off the bat." That's smart booking. It's also the kind of booking that the current WWE writers never use. It seems all you have to do to win a title there is debut after a few video packages...hell, sometimes not even that much. But it's fine to "save" a guy. There's nothing wrong with that. The catch is, though, while he's still learning and growing into his role, you have to put him in situations that allow him to grow. I stopped watching WWE a little bit after Shelton's first big push was killed (coincidence, really), and I can remember him not really being allowed to ever develop. Sure, he had the IC strap for awhile, but he was always just...there. It was like Benoit's WHC run. Did anything memorable come from it? No, because they never had these guys do anything.
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Post by Topher is Human on Sept 11, 2007 22:28:32 GMT -5
He did have a chance to get over.. TWO actually, although neither were great, they were there. I'm a big fan of Shelton, but to say he hasn't been given a chance is wrong. He held the IC title what.. 5 months after beating Jericho for it. Actually I think it was more like eight. Yet people still cared more about Carlito beating him for it than they did Shelton retaining it every week.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 11, 2007 22:28:45 GMT -5
I dunno, I liked him when he started dressing in flashy shirts ala The Rock. He didn't overdo it but he came off as a good cocky heel. He's not on a Jeff Hardy level of bad, IMO.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Sept 11, 2007 22:39:47 GMT -5
I don't think Shelton is the charisma void most people make him out to be either. He's pretty bad, but I think he could have done something with his "because Im black" gimmick. Then they threw him back with Hass like 2 weeks later If you remember, the Highlanders said Charlie Haas is black too. I seriously think a "because I'm black" gimmick with a white guy who thinks he's black would have been pure gold.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 23:03:18 GMT -5
He's pretty bad, but I think he could have done something with his "because Im black" gimmick. Then they threw him back with Hass like 2 weeks later If you remember, the Highlanders said Charlie Haas is black too. I seriously think a "because I'm black" gimmick with a white guy who thinks he's black would have been pure gold. would have been better than some, worse than others imo... still pretty funny tho
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Post by Cela on Sept 11, 2007 23:42:02 GMT -5
Ok, rant time
I can honestly say with a straight face, that Shelton has more charisma than the following in no particular order
Lashley, Morrison, Burke, Haas, Mahoney, The entire Diva section save Mickie, Kevin the Vampire, Cody Rhodes, Kenny, Deuce AND Domino, Umaga, Dave Taylor, Jeff Hardy, Hornswoggle, Finlay, The Miz, and even the Great Khali
And just about all of TNA
So enough about the lack of Charisma, seriously, its just a wrestlecrap fad.
The central problem is his losing. When he was Champion, he got cheers. When he beat up evolution he got cheers. Its just hard to get behind someone who is destined to lose just about every single match, by roll up no less... Maybe if he got a high profile match or two at a pay per view, people would go for him. They go for Orton, and he's an asshole.
Another thing, the fans want to like him. He is consistantly cheered during his highspots which are frankly the best the company has to offer. The last time they made a concious effort was one of those taboo tuesdays, Carlito( maybe Jeff Hardy), Shelton and Nitro were in a poll, and Carlito was getting the monster push. Carlito won, but only by like 10 percent more to Shelton. Nitro wasn't even close, yet the next night, they gave Nitro the title.
Finally the one thing that would get him over would be a simple catchphrase. No, "Its cause I'm black" doesn't count. Just give anyone a halfway decent one and they can get over, even if they have practically no skill(Carlito).
So in conclusion I don't care if he called Arn Anderson's sister a gutter slut, or whatever the hell he did. Shelton could be an awesome member of the business, but he is being squandered. Perhaps with the suspensions, he may be given some decent tv time and may actually get a good chance at making a shitload of money for Vince.
There, done, a poorly done rant filled with plot holes and spelling errors. Now I will leave the board tonight for no raisin.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 12, 2007 0:56:34 GMT -5
To me, he's a strange enigma on the roster. He has a number of tools to help him put on good matches and is very athletically gifted, but in terms of a good character and good promos, it's just not connecting the way it should. He can be carried to a good match as we've all seen but the charisma and star power he needs just haven't caught up yet with his highspot skills
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Post by scifi1980 on Sept 12, 2007 1:04:41 GMT -5
So is he going to start using Jive Soul Bro or Dustin Rhodes early 90s WCW theme?
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Post by UK Reppin' on Sept 12, 2007 15:53:40 GMT -5
He's pretty bad, but I think he could have done something with his "because Im black" gimmick. Then they threw him back with Hass like 2 weeks later If you remember, the Highlanders said Charlie Haas is black too. I seriously think a "because I'm black" gimmick with a white guy who thinks he's black would have been pure gold. The WWE Champion has the same gimmick.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2007 15:56:39 GMT -5
Let's see.... a match with Triple H, on Raw, as part of an actual angle?
I wish I got that kind of on-air burial. Pretty sweet spot, if you ask me.
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Post by Tapout on Sept 12, 2007 16:30:36 GMT -5
No, I think most people in this thread got it right. The guy has no charisma and can't work a stick.
He was given plenty of opportunities and some very good pushes. Even now, whenever he gets in the ring, JR puts him over huge. ("the best pure athlete in the WWE") In his early IC run, his feud with Carlito should've caught fire. Both those guys seemed to all the potential in the world.
Too bad. Like many here, I think he's an awesome competitor and his matches are always great to watch (his match with Michaels last year was terrific).
I'd love to see him take some acting classes and maybe some speech therapy and get the confidence to cut some good promos. It'd be great to see someone with his abilities getting the spotlight.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Sept 12, 2007 17:36:04 GMT -5
They should show him and Haas interacting backstage more, cos they are pretty funny together. I really thought he would get a solid main-event push in '04/early '05, shame it didn't really happen for him.
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Post by Joekishi on Sept 12, 2007 17:46:39 GMT -5
It would be laziness pretty much. WWE asked him to work harder, he responded by bothing moves left and right.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2007 17:49:23 GMT -5
I'd say Shelton's cleaner in the ring nowadays. He used to screw up, but now, when he does, which is rarer, he covers it properly by just moving on, like you're supposed to do, rather than just standing there like an ass.
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Post by Joekishi on Sept 12, 2007 17:55:24 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that WWE did trust him, then when they gave him opportunities to break out he didn't get as over as he hoped.
The Mama Storyline really helped him promo and character wise though.
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