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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2007 17:57:44 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that WWE did trust him, then when they gave him opportunities to break out he didn't get as over as he hoped. The Mama Storyline really helped him promo and character wise though. True. Too bad she got sick and it got scrapped. |
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Sept 12, 2007 18:03:21 GMT -5
I agree with the charisma problem. The few times he's had to give a live promo, he makes Lashley look like The Rock.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 12, 2007 18:05:02 GMT -5
Ricky Steamboat and Rey Misterio aren't great interviews, but could main event or steal a show in WWE with their athleticism. IMO, Bret Hart became an average interview, but he was really bland in the beginning, just like Shelton. They got Bret over by letting him do the thing he does best (wrestle), not punish him for what he didn't do best (talk).
It's sacrilege to suggest Shelton's anywhere close to Bret as a worker, and I wouldn't, but his athletic ability is easily unmatched by most in WWE. Give the performer a chance to let their in-ring work do the talking and make the people care about them that way. If WWE creative would've stuck with Benjamin's original face push and not gotten impatient, and NOT tried to fit a square peg in a round hole with the loud shirts and the fake mom character, the fans would've accepted him eventually. The fans have many times before with guys like Bret, Steamboat, Benoit, etc. It just takes patience and long-term planning.
I'm not saying this as a blind "WWE should push great athletes above entertainers" argument because I think there's room for a wide variety of talents in WWE. It's insane to stop pushing a blue-chip athlete because you give him the IC Title, put a loud shirt and sunglasses on him, and he doesn't become The Rock.
Don't try to make him into something he's not. Accentuate the positives. Maybe Shelton doesn't have an ounce of charisma. Well then, why did you hire him in the first place? Because he's a great legitimate athlete, right? Wow, okay! Then run with that! Novel idea. I don't think Big Daddy V gets heat for not being able to hit a 619. That's not what he's there for. He's there to look fat and scary. So, why would you get pissed at a guy like Shelton Benjamin being boring when he's boring anytime he's not hitting cool moves? The cool moves are the un-boring part...so showcase that!
I dunno. I just think Shelton Benjamin's the type of guy that people would care about if given more of a chance to shine with his amazing athleticism...as opposed to sending him out on RAW every week to do a two-minute job in a tag match and wonder why he never gets over.
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Post by Kae on Sept 12, 2007 18:15:04 GMT -5
I've heard he's going to get another single's push now that Haas has been suspended for wellness issues. So, perhaps the bleached hair is a sign of favour? They're trying to make him look distinctive? I can't think like creative for long without feeling stupid.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 12, 2007 18:15:56 GMT -5
The Mama Storyline really helped him promo and character wise though. I think the Mama storyline killed his credibility though. He needed mama and her hat pin/oxygen tank of doom to beat guys like Val Venis (who has won maybe 5 matches since 2003) |
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Post by Joekishi on Sept 12, 2007 19:14:37 GMT -5
 Give Shelton a Parrot, those white frame sunglasses, a pair of white gloves, and suspenders. he'd get over like Gangbusters. My WGTT--->High Energy Storyline must come to fruition |
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Post by Firearm: Supposed Big Deal on Sept 12, 2007 19:28:11 GMT -5
It's too bad they didn't try to get him over as a clean-cut black man early on. Then he could have tried to go gangsta here (see: MC Hammer, "Pumps and a Bump" era)
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Post by smartcenadude on Sept 12, 2007 19:29:11 GMT -5
a world champion needs to be able to come out and cut a whole 15 minute segmeant that carries the entire show.
with that being said, hed make a fine ic champion.
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Post by The Hawaiian Hammer! on Sept 12, 2007 19:41:50 GMT -5
I remembe SHelton used to be pretty good on the mic. I remember when he and Hass came out and made fun of the APA, he was pretty funny then.
Basically he just needs a manager, not some arm candy diva, but an actual mouth piece
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Post by Tapout on Sept 12, 2007 19:51:59 GMT -5
I think a mouthy manager would work better for a heel, and the guy would make a terrible heel. He got over on his wrestling ability; the E would make heel Benjamin be a lazyass who doesn't want to do highspots. This would take away the most entertaining thing about him.
A girl manager might work better for him. If the deal was that Shelton was a blue chipper and his female valet was always in peril (so Shelton swoops in to the rescue), that might work, though that's pretty old-school.
I still think the best gimmick for him is as a hungry young babyface after the IC title who takes on all comers. As a champ, he'd be a fighting champion, again taking all comers. Unfortunately, at that time, the midcard was falling apart, though it's not like things are any better now.
I agree that WGTT was starting to come into its own as a team and the APA parody they did (where Haas was Simmons and said stuff like "damnitty-damn-damn") was hilarious. Too bad they canned Haas and cut that run short.
Haas and Benjamin are both quality athletes and solid workers and they're great as a team. If the tag titles actually meant anything, I think the E could do worse than just keeping them together for a while. If either man had any charisma, it'd be great for them to work a program with each other, use the old "you lost us the tag titles" bit to start a rivalry between them, and there you go. Unfortunately, the marks don't care about either guy (and Haas is suspended anyway).
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Post by nonrev on Sept 12, 2007 20:52:43 GMT -5
a world champion needs to be able to come out and cut a whole 15 minute segmeant that carries the entire show. with that being said, hed make a fine ic champion. I shall refute your argument with one word Khali |
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Post by salTy on Sept 12, 2007 20:59:53 GMT -5
Vince pushes whoever he pleases, regardless of their charisma level. Lashley has negative charisma, and yet he got a shot at the WWE title on a PPV. He chooses not to push Shelton. It has nothing to do with Shelton being incapable.
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Post by Da (No Sold) 7-1-3 Itch on Sept 12, 2007 21:19:24 GMT -5
Vince pushes whoever he pleases, regardless of their charisma level. Lashley has negative charisma, and yet he got a shot at the WWE title on a PPV. He chooses not to push Shelton. It has nothing to do with Shelton being incapable. Very true Shelton would shine in any other company, except for TNA because, you know...............................it's so kewl |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 12, 2007 22:55:15 GMT -5
Vince pushes whoever he pleases, regardless of their charisma level. Lashley has negative charisma, and yet he got a shot at the WWE title on a PPV. He chooses not to push Shelton. It has nothing to do with Shelton being incapable. True, but Lashleys a big man and he attracts kids kinda like Hogan. |
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Sept 12, 2007 23:13:27 GMT -5
Not the kind of charisma the WWE is looking for.
They want someone who can put out catchphrases to sell t-shirts.
Shelton has a kind of charisma, but he can't talk rapid-fire and do the funny. Thus ...
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Post by Danimal on Sept 13, 2007 0:56:14 GMT -5
I'd rather watch Shelton work than any of the guys in the championship matches next PPV. Dude is getting hosed. Ross keeps putting him over as the best athlete in the company while he jobs-away yet again. It is just freaking stupid.
He isn't The Rock or HBK but IMO he has enough charisma. Hell look at Benoit, Rey, Lashley, and Batista. None cut great promos.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Sept 13, 2007 9:46:40 GMT -5
Not the kind of charisma the WWE is looking for. They want someone who can put out catchphrases to sell t-shirts. Shelton has a kind of charisma, but he can't talk rapid-fire and do the funny. Thus ... Come on, who wouldn't want a T-shirt that says "Ain't no stopping me" on the front, and then on the back says "NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" |
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Sept 13, 2007 10:27:33 GMT -5
Shelton has all the charisma of a lopped off, shriveled up testicle. That's why he's not doing crap. so batista is getting pushed why exactly? |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Sept 13, 2007 10:49:47 GMT -5
I thought Momma Benjamin had severe health problems, which led to her being not used anymore. As far as I know, that was just storyline. Considering she was just on "Last Comic Standing" in the last few months, Id say she is fine. |
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Post by Tapout on Sept 13, 2007 13:31:22 GMT -5
Shelton has all the charisma of a lopped off, shriveled up testicle. That's why he's not doing crap. so batista is getting pushed why exactly? Because the marks pop for him, and buy his T-shirts. |
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