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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 22, 2007 12:45:33 GMT -5
People blame Hunter for everything. It's absolutely ridiculous. These same people also know how horrible creative can be and how they have their top superstars go over everyone. This hardly seems like "blaming Hunter for everything." In fact, a majority on this board were salivating over his return at SummerSlam. Remember the "Save us, Triple H!" threads? The guy just did something that a lot of people here clearly didn't appreciate. You could say "Creative made him do it!", but history does point out that Hunter has always had a pretty strong say in the direction of his character, so I can't really fault people for assuming he cooked it up (especially considering he sits in on writing team meetings). I'm not saying that's definitely what happened, but it's not baseless to assume it, either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 15:03:08 GMT -5
I thought what happened was funny, simply because I was thinking of this board.
In reality though, it doesn't hurt any of the people involved. How many times has Undertaker appeared and chokeslammed a bunch of people? He'd do it with a ring full of upper carders/main eventers too and it wouldn't hurt them at all.All it did was make Taker look strong and give the crowd something to pop for.
If HHH did it repeatedly against Cade/Murdoch/Londrick such that there was some sort of feud between him and all of them, and he still came out on top...THEN it would make them look weak. Not just a one time occurrence though.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 22, 2007 16:13:01 GMT -5
I thought what happened was funny, simply because I was thinking of this board. Honestly, I think that's what made me laugh about it more than me just being a HHH fan; it was the sudden thought that yep, some people are gonna be angry about this one..
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Post by gmanquik on Sept 22, 2007 16:24:31 GMT -5
Stuff like this makes me glad I'm a Crapper.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 22, 2007 16:25:38 GMT -5
What happens on this board about what's going on in the WWE is often time more exciting to me then the actual product.
Not because I see WWE as a bad thing, but because people sure like to complain about tv to such a degree you hafta worry about peoples sanity.
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Post by machinegun on Sept 22, 2007 16:27:56 GMT -5
You people really should just expect this.
HHH thinks he's greater then Rock, Austin, Hogan, Bret and HBK combined
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Post by popples on Sept 23, 2007 2:31:57 GMT -5
the WWE is probably just saving HHH to job to Bobby Lashley when he gets back. You know its going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 2:37:02 GMT -5
And again, I will say this: everyone is taking this far too seriously. The 'E is still making money, enough said. But they're costing themselves far more money by not having all their bases covered. Just look at the Attitude era. The teams everyone associates with that time frame are... -The Hardy Boys -The Dudley Boys -Edge and Christian You would've been hard-pressed to find a time where any one, much less two, of these teams were buried and made to look bad by one guy. Not even the mighty Stone Cold himself. You had the marquee guys like Austin, Rock, Foley, and Taker at the top of the card, but at the same time you had guys in the midcard who were consistantly stealing the show at every pay-per-view. And it wouldn't be a stretch to say that a lot of that money and a lot of those pay-per-view buys were to see those guys perform. Did they draw as much as the main eventers? No. But they drew money, no question. And look at those guys now. Edge and Christian are bonafide main eventers, and the Hardys are teetering on the edge of being main event players. The current tag teams aren't even being given the opportunity to establish anything or draw any money because they're having their legs taken out from under them every couple months. not that i dont agree what you're saying about the tag teams not being given the opportunity... Undertaker has beaten both Hardy's in a handicap match, Rock beat E&C in a handicap match.... there are loads others but i'm too damn tired to think of em I thought what happened was funny, simply because I was thinking of this board. In reality though, it doesn't hurt any of the people involved. How many times has Undertaker appeared and chokeslammed a bunch of people? He'd do it with a ring full of upper carders/main eventers too and it wouldn't hurt them at all.All it did was make Taker look strong and give the crowd something to pop for. If HHH did it repeatedly against Cade/Murdoch/Londrick such that there was some sort of feud between him and all of them, and he still came out on top...THEN it would make them look weak. Not just a one time occurrence though. i agree. I'm not defending HHH in any way i'm just shutting down other people's points that i find are invalid. Didn't Stone Cold once Stunner a good 13 people one night? Did he bury any of those guys?
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Sept 23, 2007 6:47:04 GMT -5
And as you can see, he's doing just fine after being buried, at a WrestleMania no less! And why is he doing so well? Because other superstars like Mick Foley and Austin were willing to give him the rub that's why. So these situations are completely different since he isn't willing to give the rub to young talent. HHH isn't willing to give the rub to young talent? Have you missed the last 3 Wrestlemania's that he has main evented? Admittedly Benoit wasn't a 'young talent' but HHH still did the job for him to try and elevate him. He's jobbed for Batista, he's jobbed for Cena. Was it not partly his idea for the Evolution stable, a stable put together purely to make 2 new stars out of Batista and Orton? Londrick are not on the cusp of a main event push. HHH is not holding them back, because they haven't got a hope in hell of getting any higher on the card than tag champs or singles cruserweights. Havnig HHH pedigree them makes HHH look strong, and that's absolutely fine, because when the WWE is trying to sell a pay per view, they can then market that 'The Game' will be competing, and people will believe he is a shit hot wrestler, back from injury and can still dominate. People will spend more money for HHH than they ever will for Londrick. It doesn't even make Londrick weak, all it does is reinforce the fact that main eventers are better than a random tag team, which is obvious. Londrick don't suddenly look like a team incapable of fighting because of this. They look exactly the same. Just as all the guys that have been stunnered by Austin or slammed by Taker for no apparent reason other than to make the main event guys look strong looked the same. Also, claming that it must have been HHH who done this, just to make himself look good, because he is Steph's husband is ridiculous. If they wanted to make HHH look strong that is totally fair enough. What is being implied here though is that HHH said in a production meeting 'after my match I want to pedigree Londrick, for no reason at all, just because I can' like there is no reason behind it. The booking team will have discussed the segment with him, and decided what was best, and there was a reason behind it. HHH cannot just say 'I want to do this and you can't stop me' just because he is married to Steph. Members of creative and Vince wouldn't allow non sensical actions to happen on his show for no reason - so there must.be.a.reason. that they done it, a perfectly acceptable reason to make him look strong. People are blowing this way out of proportion like it's never happened before, even though it has with above mentioned examples of Austin and Taker. They get away with it just because they aren't married to a Mcmahon but HHH gets stick because he is. It's ridiculous. People are blowing it out of proportion just like they are with the Umaga thing. HHH has not buried Umaga, especially since it took about 4 sledgehammer shots to actually make him hit the floor. If anything it makes him look ridiculously strong. I swear some people watched the Mcmahon/Helmsley era, watched HHH bully referees, watched him play the heel, watched him be married to Steph and think 'Yep, this must happen in real life as well'. Come on people, it's a character on a TV show. There is no proof HHH acts like it in booking meetings, and to suggest he does act like an arrogant idiot who only cares about himself and not about putting other people over is ridiculous.
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Post by KingPopper on Sept 23, 2007 6:48:11 GMT -5
What an ass.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Sept 23, 2007 12:22:13 GMT -5
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Post by angryfan on Sept 23, 2007 12:41:09 GMT -5
Not to say Trips has the best record in putting over young talent, or that much of his "squash-o-matic run" a few years ago was nothing more than an "I'm better than The Rock" spree, but here's some food for thought.
In total, Trips' ten runs with the belt have totalled 880 days over a span of some 11 years with the comapny.
In his five years with the company, Cena's 3 title runs have totalled 807 days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 14:20:30 GMT -5
Not to say Trips has the best record in putting over young talent, or that much of his "squash-o-matic run" a few years ago was nothing more than an "I'm better than The Rock" spree, but here's some food for thought. In total, Trips' ten runs with the belt have totalled 880 days over a span of some 11 years with the comapny. In his five years with the company, Cena's 3 title runs have totalled 807 days. Hmm, in theory that means there should be about 2 Cena hate threads for each HHH hate thread...so I think we're right on target so far. Go team!
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 23, 2007 19:32:44 GMT -5
Not to say Trips has the best record in putting over young talent, or that much of his "squash-o-matic run" a few years ago was nothing more than an "I'm better than The Rock" spree, but here's some food for thought. In total, Trips' ten runs with the belt have totalled 880 days over a span of some 11 years with the comapny. In his five years with the company, Cena's 3 title runs have totalled 807 days. While true, I'll always point out that, in 2004, when Benoit held the title, Raw was still completely focused on the antics and actions of Trips.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 23, 2007 19:47:50 GMT -5
Then again, Benoit, while great in the ring, was bland as all hell outside of it. Not to say taking the focus off the champ is ever the right move, but...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 20:17:13 GMT -5
Someone got
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 23, 2007 20:22:43 GMT -5
Then again, Benoit, while great in the ring, was bland as all hell outside of it. Not to say taking the focus off the champ is ever the right move, but... Eh, he didn't have to be. Benoit had enough experience in wrestling and a good enough persona that they could've done something with him. Some kind of big feud, even just having Benoit be a Bret-esque "fighting champion", something along those lines. Instead, Benoit almost literally did nothing during his entire title reign. I mean, really, his only feud was a two week mini-feud with Kane. Anything else that seemed big involved Trips, who was clearly still the star of the show.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 23, 2007 20:24:49 GMT -5
Then again, Benoit, while great in the ring, was bland as all hell outside of it. Not to say taking the focus off the champ is ever the right move, but... Eh, he didn't have to be. Benoit had enough experience in wrestling and a good enough persona that they could've done something with him. Some kind of big feud, even just having Benoit be a Bret-esque "fighting champion", something along those lines. Instead, Benoit almost literally did nothing during his entire title reign. I mean, really, his only feud was a two week mini-feud with Kane. Anything else that seemed big involved Trips, who was clearly still the star of the show. I can agree with that. A feud of some kind WOULD have been nice.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 23, 2007 22:32:31 GMT -5
Eh, he didn't have to be. Benoit had enough experience in wrestling and a good enough persona that they could've done something with him. Some kind of big feud, even just having Benoit be a Bret-esque "fighting champion", something along those lines. Instead, Benoit almost literally did nothing during his entire title reign. I mean, really, his only feud was a two week mini-feud with Kane. Anything else that seemed big involved Trips, who was clearly still the star of the show. I can agree with that. A feud of some kind WOULD have been nice. Put yourself in my shoes: I got back into WWE that year just because I heard Benoit won the Rumble. Imagine my shock at the state of affairs around, say, June.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 23, 2007 22:35:12 GMT -5
They missed an opportunity with the whole Triple Threat with Edge/Benoit/HHH where the title was held up only to give it right back to H. Even as an H fan I can admit that.
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