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Post by Dean-o on Sept 17, 2007 23:12:21 GMT -5
If you really don't like how the WWE is going currently, then let them know through an email or letter or something, and IF they respond to you, then feel free to tell us what they say in return. I'm sure that IF they respond, you will be less than pleased, as the same applies for most giant corporations. They don't care about you. They care about your money. Until you come to grips with that and realize that you can (and likely will) be replaced by some snot-nosed 10 year old kid that buys all the Cena and Batista stuff, then you are in denial of yourself and what you believe the WWE should be. A company is out to do one thing: make money. You still fail to realize that the WWE is not making the kind of money you think they are making. Buyrates suck, live attendence sucks, and the general TV ratings suck. You act like people are tripping over themselves to watch, that is not the case. Especially with the steroid investigation and the aftermath of the Benoit incident, pro wrestling as a whole is in a sad state of affairs. It's more like for every three people that stop watching, only one new viewer tunes in, if that. corporate.wwe.com/documents/2Q2007pressrelease.pdfI think they are doing just fine.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Sept 17, 2007 23:18:45 GMT -5
I know this is going to be a far out analogy, but bare with me. Okay, I don't know if you have kids or not, but let's say you do. Your kid gets bad grades in school, you know they can get at least a B average, but they just aren't trying to do their best. You voice your disapproval, they say they are trying, but in all reality you know they are lying out of their ass. However, you don't do anything drastic because you hope they turn the corner. Next report card comes and it's still the D average they got before. What are you going to do? You are going to rip them a new one, help them get their ass in gear and tell them to live up to their potential. That's what I see here, the company CAN do better. It's like they have booking dyslexia. Now you can't hold their hand and do the work for them, but some day they will get their act together. But shutting up and not say anything in one form or another will just be counterproductive. I'd find some way to help my kids. I understand if you don't like the product and want to change it some how but, a) I don't see how bitching about it on an internet message board helps and b) I don't see how still watching when the easiest and most obvious way is to cause change is stop spending money on them and stop watching the shows. 1. Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. So I don't see how saying anything negative about the product here should be frowned upon. 2. Just because something happens that upsets me, doesn't mean I'm just automatically not going to watch. I enjoy watching some of the wrestlers too much to just not watch. But the thing is that there is more that I enjoy than not. And I don't go to every event or buy every single shirt or knick-knack that they release. I pick and choose my battles, stuff like Hornswoggle I can laugh along with because they aren't burying anyone that has a future in the company.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Sept 17, 2007 23:20:03 GMT -5
You still fail to realize that the WWE is not making the kind of money you think they are making. Buyrates suck, live attendence sucks, and the general TV ratings suck. You act like people are tripping over themselves to watch, that is not the case. Especially with the steroid investigation and the aftermath of the Benoit incident, pro wrestling as a whole is in a sad state of affairs. It's more like for every three people that stop watching, only one new viewer tunes in, if that. corporate.wwe.com/documents/2Q2007pressrelease.pdfI think they are doing just fine. So miserable buyrates and miserable TV ratings are signs of success? Then I guess that means TNA is doing outstanding!
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Post by jayjaystyles on Sept 17, 2007 23:21:18 GMT -5
Trips is looking to turn tweener i suppose, but it looks as if 2004 is calling Trips back, which is fine with me, I want the Cerebral Assassin back. If HBK aint there i dont want Trips to appeal to the fans. Being there tonight it put a smile on my face, perhaps its just a tease but i saw The Cerebral Assassin flash tonight, and i LOVED it.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 17, 2007 23:23:10 GMT -5
You still fail to realize that the WWE is not making the kind of money you think they are making. Buyrates suck, live attendence sucks, and the general TV ratings suck. You act like people are tripping over themselves to watch, that is not the case. Especially with the steroid investigation and the aftermath of the Benoit incident, pro wrestling as a whole is in a sad state of affairs. It's more like for every three people that stop watching, only one new viewer tunes in, if that. corporate.wwe.com/documents/2Q2007pressrelease.pdfI think they are doing just fine. That's only because VInce is a good business man. He's making money in a variety of ways - from DVD sales, and 24/7 and merchandise and movies, etc. It doesn't change the fact that buyrates (outside of Mania) are down, tv ratings are half of what they were in the attitude era and house hows and Pay per views are getting cancelled. That's a stockholder report, they just might be sugarcoating it. Regardless it has nothing to do with the quality of their product.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Sept 17, 2007 23:26:05 GMT -5
That's only because VInce is a good business man. He's making from DVD sales, and 24/7 and merchandise and movies, etc. It doesn't change the fact that buyrates (outside of Mania) are down, tv ratings are half of what they were in the attitude era and house hows and Pay per views are getting cancelled. That's a stockholder report, they just might be sugarcoating it. Regardless it has nothing to do with the quality of their product. But they're still making money, right?
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Dean-o
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 17, 2007 23:26:15 GMT -5
So miserable buyrates and miserable TV ratings are signs of success? Then I guess that means TNA is doing outstanding! Last time I checked (and correct me if I'm wrong) TNA was bleeding red ink. I don't think they have turned a profit in a quarter yet. That is not successful. They could bring in 500,000 PPV buys and sell out football stadiums for all they care, but if their books are written in red ink, then you got a problem. As for the WWE...I would think a $7 million dollar net profit in a quarter alone spells success in my book, no?
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Post by Error on Sept 17, 2007 23:30:37 GMT -5
I'd find some way to help my kids. I understand if you don't like the product and want to change it some how but, a) I don't see how bitching about it on an internet message board helps and b) I don't see how still watching when the easiest and most obvious way is to cause change is stop spending money on them and stop watching the shows. 1. Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. So I don't see how saying anything negative about the product here should be frowned upon. 2. Just because something happens that upsets me, doesn't mean I'm just automatically not going to watch. I enjoy watching some of the wrestlers too much to just not watch. It is but, when people bitch and complain nonstop about something and call it trying to help, it doesn't seem that way at times to me. If you can find something you like outside of that, by all means enjoy, my spazzing and anger is more directed at those who see something like we saw with Hunter tonight and freak out about they wont watch again because of it. Not to turn this into an discussion about TNA but, they have some wrestlers I love but, when I didn't like the way they were being used I stopped watching since I knew it was going to upset me. Again, I meant none of this as an attack on you but, more of questioning of those who watch every week and every week say how bad it was and how they could shit a better product than what was just on RAW/ECW/Smackdown!.
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 17, 2007 23:33:10 GMT -5
That's only because VInce is a good business man. He's making money in a variety of ways - from DVD sales, and 24/7 and merchandise and movies, etc. It doesn't change the fact that buyrates (outside of Mania) are down, tv ratings are half of what they were in the attitude era and house hows and Pay per views are getting cancelled. That's a stockholder report, they just might be sugarcoating it. Regardless it has nothing to do with the quality of their product. That's damn right. Vince is a good business man. Sugercoated or not, they are still turning a healthy profit. Anybody who tries to argue with someone who knows more about this subject then just you or I would be laughed at for suggesting otherwise. Yea you got the guys who claim Vince should just stick to wrestling and forget movies, sports, etc...but would you rather live your life by trying and sometimes failing, or not trying at all? If Vince didn't take a risk with WrestleMania I then who knows where we would be today. Another example, ECW was (for the most part) great. But it was run by a terrible business man. So it folded. It had nothing to do with the quality of it's wrestling (aside from the fact that TNA wanted a PG rated show)
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Sept 18, 2007 1:09:00 GMT -5
I hated the whole thing with Trips going over five people after stealing the spotlight away from Hornswoggle for 10 minutes making penis jokes.
And the crowd died when he pedigreed Londrick. It was like when Austin stunned Stacy Keibler. The crowd sat in indifference.
No sense at all to that segment. I tuned out after that.
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Post by That Loser Guy on Sept 18, 2007 1:11:03 GMT -5
I'm glad I missed it.
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Post by chickenwhopper on Sept 18, 2007 1:17:27 GMT -5
That's only because VInce is a good business man. He's making from DVD sales, and 24/7 and merchandise and movies, etc. It doesn't change the fact that buyrates (outside of Mania) are down, tv ratings are half of what they were in the attitude era and house hows and Pay per views are getting cancelled. That's a stockholder report, they just might be sugarcoating it. Regardless it has nothing to do with the quality of their product. But they're still making money, right? DVD sales will go down after a matter of time. There's no way they can stay on top, you can only make so many "collections"
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Post by redbull on Sept 18, 2007 1:50:25 GMT -5
HHH does whats best for business DUH ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Sept 18, 2007 1:56:39 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone is surprised by this......
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Post by x on Sept 18, 2007 1:58:50 GMT -5
It's like Hogan beating Demolition clean with a big boot or a legdrop. It's not good booking.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 18, 2007 2:20:37 GMT -5
One thing people aren't considering is that once Austin's stun-everyone quirk was established, it became like a fun game for the crowd. Every time Austin and some other face ended up in the ring, that idiot always tried to shake his hand, and the fans could see it coming and pop for it when it did, and it didn't hurt the guy, because that's what you do when you're in the ring with Steve Austin: you get stunned. Fun for all.
I honestly, honestly think that HHH or whoever came up with this figured he was elevating London and Kendrick by just involving them with him, like Austin used to. But the long story short is, the crowd popped much louder when London and Kendrick ran out than when HHH posed after pedigreeing them.
See, this... HHH has disadvantages, here: Austin was actually cool, the audience back then was totally willing to play along with the fakeness of everything more than they are now, and most importantly, no one could point at Austin stunning people and go, "Hey, that's just like that other dude who was around five years ago."
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Post by Johnny on Sept 18, 2007 2:22:42 GMT -5
I want to see more Pedigrees next week. I loved that segment.
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Post by deadmanlfc on Sept 18, 2007 2:42:16 GMT -5
Yeah, it was an awesome segment. If he had pedigreed Jesse and Festus or the Major Brothers there would be none of this uproar. But becuase it was London & Kendrick, probably the biggest IWC poster boys next to CM Punk, the world is ending. And HHH punking out two pasty crusierweights is the final sign of the apocalypse.
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Post by machinegun on Sept 18, 2007 2:53:43 GMT -5
THAT'S OUR TRIPS!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Sept 18, 2007 3:20:22 GMT -5
As long as the E treats its midcard like a complete joke, guys like Murdoch and Cade will not get over.
Remember the Attitude era? While there was a definite tier, it didn't matter if you were main-event or a curtain-jerker... chances are you were mega-over. With only a few exceptions, everyone was given a purpose and built-up as important in their own right, and it worked.
Face Triple H destroying guys for no reason just because they aren't on his level is the exact opposite mentality. Who is this supposed to help? Triple H? The guy doesn't need it and hasn't for seven years. And guess what? Fans will continue to sit on their hands whenever these guys are out, because they were told tonight that they shouldn't care about them.
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