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Post by Joekishi on Jul 26, 2007 0:26:49 GMT -5
Okay Hogan/Kidman gets built, Kidman gets upperhand on Hogan, in the end Hogan beats Kidman, and this was only the beginning of the New Blood angle..
Once Hogan leaves, Kidman is subjected to the Filthy animals, in tag and opening matches, is subjected to Viagra on a pole, and is booked as well opening match fodder.
So what was Russo's whole point in the kidman storyline?
WHy waste all that time with a guy then not use him when the guy "keeping him down" finally leaves.
Why did Booker get the shot and not Kidman? In terms of the storyline it would have made sense...
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jul 26, 2007 0:37:48 GMT -5
You're looking for logic in a WCW storyline that took place in 2000. If I remember correctly, Kidman beat Hogan by interference from Eric Bischoff, or something like that. I know he didn't beat him cleanly, though. But, like I said in the first sentence, don't try looking for logic where there is none.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jul 26, 2007 6:23:21 GMT -5
Hogan never properly put Kidman over. He made him look like a scrub for most of their feud, as did most of the Millionaires Club guys to their New BLood counterparts (Other than Flair & Hennig really). It pretty much killed the idea of Kidman and guys like him ever being seen as Main Eventers AND the New Blood/Millionaires Club storyline.
It's too bad too, because I thought the whole NEW BLOOD idea was pretty awesome when it started.
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Jul 26, 2007 7:05:55 GMT -5
Also, I think some people were trying to build new stars but some old stars were against that which makes the push look pointless when the guys with the clout are against it. I liked that version of Billy Kidman, it seems the longer he was with Torrie Wilson, the lamer he got.  |
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Jul 26, 2007 7:46:13 GMT -5
Hogan never properly put Kidman over. He made him look like a scrub for most of their feud, as did most of the Millionaires Club guys to their New BLood counterparts (Other than Flair & Hennig really). It pretty much killed the idea of Kidman and guys like him ever being seen as Main Eventers AND the New Blood/Millionaires Club storyline. It's too bad too, because I thought the whole NEW BLOOD idea was pretty awesome when it started. Spot on about the Hogan feud. There's no "putting a guy over" when "tweener" Hogan beats the hell out of a heel Kidman for 10 minutes, loses on a fluke pin, then beats the hell out of him for another 10 minutes. This wasn't Hogan's "creative control" either, this was just a stupid matchup from the get-go. Arguably, between 2000-2003, Kidman was misused and booked more terribly than any other young talent in the business...ever. Kidman was money from the moment he broke out of Raven's Flock. He should still be a star on RAW, Smackdown, or TNA...or at least a very credible veteran used to put young guys over every now and then. Back in the day, Billy Kidman and Juventud Guerrera would regularly have WCW Thunder matches that would compete for "TV Match of the Year" nowadays. It sucks that neither of those guys are relevant nowadays...they both have the talent. |
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Jul 26, 2007 8:03:18 GMT -5
Hogan never properly put Kidman over. He made him look like a scrub for most of their feud, as did most of the Millionaires Club guys to their New BLood counterparts (Other than Flair & Hennig really). It pretty much killed the idea of Kidman and guys like him ever being seen as Main Eventers AND the New Blood/Millionaires Club storyline. It's too bad too, because I thought the whole NEW BLOOD idea was pretty awesome when it started. Spot on about the Hogan feud. There's no "putting a guy over" when "tweener" Hogan beats the hell out of a heel Kidman for 10 minutes, loses on a fluke pin, then beats the hell out of him for another 10 minutes. This wasn't Hogan's "creative control" either, this was just a stupid matchup from the get-go. Arguably, between 2000-2003, Kidman was misused and booked more terribly than any other young talent in the business...ever. Kidman was money from the moment he broke out of Raven's Flock. He should still be a star on RAW, Smackdown, or TNA...or at least a very credible veteran used to put young guys over every now and then. Back in the day, Billy Kidman and Juventud Guerrera would regularly have WCW Thunder matches that would compete for "TV Match of the Year" nowadays. It sucks that neither of those guys are relevant nowadays...they both have the talent. I agree. Thunder was the shiznite to watch in terms of the matches they would have, sometimes. All it took was the undercard to blow the roof off the joint. I think it's just a testament to how quickly the wrestling business can chew you up and spit you it. It takes maybe a little more than sheer talent and in-ring ability to stay on top and not to become irrelevant. I will say that it's sad that Juventud's name in any form of headline is always about his behavior. Speaking of luchadors on burn out mode, what happened with Essa Rios? |
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Post by hollywood on Jul 26, 2007 8:17:38 GMT -5
Looking for logic in a Russo-booked storyline is a fool's errand.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jul 26, 2007 8:22:10 GMT -5
Okay Hogan/Kidman gets built, Kidman gets upperhand on Hogan, in the end Hogan beats Kidman, and this was only the beginning of the New Blood angle.. Once Hogan leaves, Kidman is subjected to the Filthy animals, in tag and opening matches, is subjected to Viagra on a pole, and is booked as well opening match fodder. So what was Russo's whole point in the kidman storyline? WHy waste all that time with a guy then not use him when the guy "keeping him down" finally leaves. Why did Booker get the shot and not Kidman? In terms of the storyline it would have made sense... In terms of the shot it wouldn't have made sense because Hogan beat Kidman at the GAB and by the time Bash rolled around, Kidman was turning face because Torrie turned on him during the angle with Hogan, and Torrie aligns with the Franchise which started the Douglas/Kidman feud. I don't think the people would've gone crazy for a Kidman vs. Jarrett main event at BATB 00, and Booker was clearly way over than Kidman ever would be at that point. Kidman's good, but I don't think people bought him as a legit threat to Hogan, as opposed to a Mike Awesome or Scott Steiner. A guy that small beating Hogan cleanly, can't see that happening. Plus, Kidman was a heel at the time, the heel's not supposed to win clean anyways. He just screams midcarder,IMO. The crowd does pop for a few of the stuff he does, but I couldn't honestly see this guy headlining a PPV, much less a TV show. |
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Post by The QC Loser on Jul 26, 2007 8:45:01 GMT -5
I always loved that the younger guys wanting to move up in the business were the heels??? what the hell shouldn't it of been the older guys holding onto their spot and holding the younger guys down with politicing be the bad guys??
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Post by thestinger on Jul 26, 2007 8:48:50 GMT -5
I agree with what's been written here. It was a silly match up from the get-go.
I would much rather watch a Kidman match than a Hogan match. Yet when you put the two of them in the ring against each other, it looks like me versus a pre-schooler.
But if Billy Kidman DOES beat Hogan, who is a main eventer, than Billy Kidman must become a main eventer, and if they weren't prepared to do that, then the whole thing was useless, which of course it was.
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Post by ilikeRusso. on Jul 26, 2007 10:38:48 GMT -5
Hogans Creative contract Talking not Russos writing  |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jul 26, 2007 12:10:55 GMT -5
Hogans Creative contract Talking not Russos writing Maybe before, but that wouldn't explain Kidman's push after Hogan left where he was in "Viagra on a Pole" matches with Shane Douglas. Russo could've easily pushed Kidman if he really wanted to, but it wouldn't have mattered much, he wasn't that over. |
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Post by hollywood on Jul 26, 2007 12:12:56 GMT -5
Hogans Creative contract Talking not Russos writing Perhaps. However, the decision to put a scrawny youngster against a bulked up veteran and expecting audiences to buy it as a legitimate match was idiotic. |
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jul 26, 2007 12:29:00 GMT -5
It pretty much killed the idea of Kidman and guys like him ever being seen as Main Eventers AND the New Blood/Millionaires Club storyline. And THAT, I'd guess, is the answer to the thread's question. |
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Post by rrm15 on Jul 26, 2007 13:00:56 GMT -5
I've always been a huge Kidman mark. I wish he was still on my TV every week....
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jul 26, 2007 15:19:33 GMT -5
It pretty much killed the idea of Kidman and guys like him ever being seen as Main Eventers AND the New Blood/Millionaires Club storyline. And THAT, I'd guess, is the answer to the thread's question. If you mean guys in terms of smaller guys with not much charisma, then yeah I guess so. The rest of the NB members got pushes, guys like Vampiro, The Perfect Event (Palumbo/Stasiak), Reno as Hardcore Champ, and if you want to get technical, Jarrett, Booker and Steiner all got pushes and they were original NB members too. Just that Kidman as good as he was, wasn't a maineventer, no matter how many times you put him out there, he just looks so mismatched. |
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Post by Joekishi on Jul 26, 2007 19:28:47 GMT -5
i was talking in terms of when Hogan left, Kidman could have easily been booked at least at the US title level, but all those month and promos. Russo in the end didn't even use kidman as a part of the upper card.
Really if they were going to put the title on Booker, why not fued Hogan with Booker?
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Jul 26, 2007 19:34:48 GMT -5
kidman was cool
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Post by Super Nimieboo on Jul 26, 2007 23:51:43 GMT -5
Hogans Creative contract Talking not Russos writing Perhaps. However, the decision to put a scrawny youngster against a bulked up veteran and expecting audiences to buy it as a legitimate match was idiotic. And Rey is invalid as a champion.  Also, it could have worked if Kidman wasn't a heel and you-know-who sold and whatnot. Kids were freakin behind Kidman. I can still remember the last few WCW shows here and the biggest pops were between Kidman, The FA and Sting. |
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Post by Joekishi on Jul 27, 2007 1:26:52 GMT -5
You swear like it's Hogan's fault for Kidman's craptacular booking after the fued, once he was done fueding with Hogan, they put him in a nowhere fued with SHane Douglas..
THen when Hogan is gone, they don't take that opportunity to push kidman and prove Russo's point, they just proved Hogan right in that the company didn't believe in Kidman..
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