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Post by Branimal on Oct 24, 2007 14:52:50 GMT -5
When I first started watching wrestling, this was by far, my favorite championship. For a while (doesn't seem to be anymore) it was the stepping stone to the WWE Championship. Over the last few years it has lost its value..badly. Obviously with WWE having 6 singles titles..its prestige has been watered down. Why has WWE basically let this title loose its value? It wouldn't bother me to see a feud over the title or at least someone who values it.. Anyone else feel this way? |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Oct 24, 2007 15:00:10 GMT -5
You know, oddly enough the one person who seems to value it is Santino Marella.
"I was Intercontinetal Champion-ey."
How many times has he said that...?
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 24, 2007 15:02:51 GMT -5
I think the Hardy/Kennedy feud that's been teased lately is a lot like the way they used to do the IC title. Two upper midcarders fighting over the stepping stone to the world title. Like Rude and Warrior.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Oct 24, 2007 15:03:57 GMT -5
When I first started watching wrestling, this was by far, my favorite championship. For a while (doesn't seem to be anymore) it was the stepping stone to the WWE Championship. Over the last few years it has lost its value..badly. Obviously with WWE having 6 singles titles..its prestige has been watered down. Why has WWE basically let this title loose its value? It wouldn't bother me to see a feud over the title or at least someone who values it.. Anyone else feel this way? Watered down like the Coke or Pepsi at the local McD's. They want the focus to be on the big titles, hence the existence of midcard titles. It is sad considering some great men held that IC belt, but Vince at the head of the problem, so at least we know who's behind it. |
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Oct 24, 2007 15:06:31 GMT -5
I'd think it'd be great if they gave somebody a run with it like ECW did with RVD and the Television title.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 24, 2007 15:07:27 GMT -5
I'd think it'd be great if they gave somebody a run with it like ECW did with RVD and the Television title. I don't think we'll ever see a run like that again especially nowadays. The belt means absolutely nothing. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 24, 2007 15:07:59 GMT -5
Have Santino re-win it and have a LONG heel reign with it like Honkytonk Man did in the late 80s.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Oct 24, 2007 15:11:57 GMT -5
Have Santino re-win it and have a LONG heel reign with it like Honkytonk Man did in the late 80s. YES. That is a great idea. He should scrape by with fluke win after fluke win until people are desperate to see him lose it. |
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Post by HRH The KING on Oct 24, 2007 15:54:50 GMT -5
Hasn't been prestigious since about 1992.
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Post by big nasty on Oct 24, 2007 15:57:58 GMT -5
for some reason i think a nice, year long reign by Mr. kennedy would be great, not only for him but the IC title as well. he just "feels" like an IC guy to me, dont know how else to put it.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 24, 2007 16:01:54 GMT -5
Hasn't been prestigious since about 1992. It was pretty prestigious in 2000-2001 when guys like Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho won it. I'd say that was truly the last time it had any value. |
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 24, 2007 16:04:09 GMT -5
Bah, the US title is probably one of the most respected titles in WWE with the way it's booked and treated.
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Post by Branimal on Oct 24, 2007 16:06:21 GMT -5
for some reason i think a nice, year long reign by Mr. kennedy would be great, not only for him but the IC title as well. he just "feels" like an IC guy to me, dont know how else to put it. Yeah, I got that feeling as well. He's at least a year or two away from possibly becoming world champion. I think a nice long IC title reign should be in order. Having either Kennedy or Santino have a long reign with having either one get a lucky win every time the title is defended would make me quite happy. What a fall from grace this title had. It was the focus of SO many great ladder matches and memorable fueds (Razor & HBK comes to mind). I think the biggest insult is that it has been left off of the Wrestlemania card since 2002. |
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Post by bindergang on Oct 24, 2007 16:42:42 GMT -5
Any secondary title loses it's value when you have TWO main titles.
Either bring back the undisputed title or stop calling them brands and have them act like separate entities. (for example: more like calling one WWE and one WCW, then calling them WWE presents: Raw and Smackdown)
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Post by Danimal on Oct 24, 2007 18:17:03 GMT -5
I'd like to see the belt back on Shelton just so he wouldn't be a freaking jobber anymore. What did he do to deserve this crap? He has been beaten repeatedly by freaking Cody Rhodes. WTF?The best he has done lately is when he got to go-over in a mixed-tag where Beth got the actual pin.
I'd say he should go to TNA when his contract is up but WWE has jobbed him out so much it would be hard sell him as more than a WWE cast-off. You'd have to put him in a tag-team first and build him back slowly, even then it would be an up-hill climb to get the negative aura off of him.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Oct 24, 2007 18:34:24 GMT -5
I think it lost some value after it was given to Chyna, They should have given her the Light Heavyweight title or the European title if they wanted her to be a role model.
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Post by RedSmile on Oct 24, 2007 18:44:48 GMT -5
It lost value, because it's never defended in the main event of RAW or SD. Same thing with the Tag Titles. Which exactly where they should be, at least more often than the World title.
Back in the Hogan days, you only saw a world title defense on PPV. The beginning of the Bret Hart reign, when he would defend almost weekly was a breath of fresh air, but the subsequent introduction of the evil boss character during the Rock/Austin days added a HUGE amount of TV focus to the World title, while the IC and Tag Titles were left wanting.
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Post by Loki on Oct 24, 2007 18:52:41 GMT -5
IC Championship has prestige when it was:
a) the highest point of the career of many Superstars who weren't "good enough" (for whatever reason) for Main Eventing, but were over with the crowd because they were good in their role and treated [booked] accordingly.
b) a decisive step toward the Main Eventing for younger guys
The IC Title began to lose importance when it began changing hands every other month around 1997, then it got worse during the peak of the MNWs, with the belt being won and lost by most of the roster on a monthly (when not weekly and DAILY) basis.
It doesn't matter if it was Jericho v Angle v Benoit or Albert v Billy Gunn... it was the way the title was portrayed that killed its credibility...
Most of the Multiple Time Champions don't reach the 200 days mark... Jericho's 7 reigns lasted an unimpressive 208 days (29,8 DpR), RVD's 6 for 210 (35 DpR), Edge's 5 for 171 (37 DpR)
The IC title pretty much died around 1997-99, and was buried when Triple H unified it.
The "revived" IC belt [2003-today] saw some long reigns, who were dull and mostly due to the focus being totally driven away from the belt, that was more or less "on hold" for months, before WWE half-assedly tried to saddle it with another "we-don't-know-what-to-do-with-him, let's-give-him-the-IC-title" Superstar.
Nitro and Hardy feuding over the belt, and not for something else, kinda helped restoring a bit of credibility, then came Umaga and Santino... Now it's back to Hardy and Kennedy. Who are sadly eyeing the WWE title instead...
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Post by Dean-o on Oct 24, 2007 19:56:35 GMT -5
The main problem with the belt is that it seems nobody cares about it anymore. It's either the World Title or nothing.
Like Loki mentioned, it should be a belt for guys who won't ever main event, but yet still have meaningful feuds around a title belt. It doesn't have to lift every holder into main event status, but it should at least make them #2 in the eyes of the fans.
Mr. Pefect and Razor Ramon are great examples of guys who reached the top when they were IC champ, while Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels used it as a stepping stone for greater things.
You could easily build up the IC title picture again. They just need to care about it. They don't, so the fans don't.
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Post by RedSmile on Oct 24, 2007 20:13:11 GMT -5
The main problem with the belt is that it seems nobody cares about it anymore. It's either the World Title or nothing. Like Loki mentioned, it should be a belt for guys who won't ever main event, but yet still have meaningful feuds around a title belt. It doesn't have to lift every holder into main event status, but it should at least make them #2 in the eyes of the fans. Mr. Pefect and Razor Ramon are great examples of guys who reached the top when they were IC champ, while Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels used it as a stepping stone for greater things. You could easily build up the IC title picture again. They just need to care about it. They don't, so the fans don't. I believe that's because, in this day and age being a mid-carder is considered a bad thing. Which is wholly incorrect. |
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