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Post by Fandjango Unchained on Nov 5, 2007 4:14:45 GMT -5
also, i disagree that Stevie was only entertaining when in BWO. I marked out every time when he was Steven Richards in the Right To Censor. Great faction. [/i][/quote] The fact he was the only member of the group to not wrestle at WM X-7 says a lot. Hell, even the Goodfather managed it! Stuck at ringside during a pointless 6 man tag match...WWF could have added someone on the APA's team to make it all of RTC, but nope. |
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Post by Baixo Astral on Nov 5, 2007 4:19:33 GMT -5
He's totally passable... promos are okay, ringwork is okay, has some charisma... nothing special, but people really, really want to like him.
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Post by Loki on Nov 5, 2007 4:45:24 GMT -5
It's the usual case of Acute Underdogitis with signs of blindness and deafness.  The less airtime and wins a "small" wrestler gets, the better he becomes to a lot of people around here. If he has a past in ECW/ROH/, it gets even worse. I don't care about Richards at all, I don't see the big deal about him, and was quite puzzled to see all the "Stevie wins" threads... He's not bad, ok, but the same goes for a whole lot of guys who rarely get a mention around here, even though they get the same amount of tv time, or less. |
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 5, 2007 4:48:56 GMT -5
Who says he can't cut a good promo? He's only had like..what..two opportunities to speak the entire year? Plus, I think his series of matches with Punk were great..they fought like a bazillion times and every match was still different (other than the outcome) and it seemed like he used a new move each time. I really wish he would just go to TNA. He deserves at least a midcard spot. Oh, and him beating Thorn outta nowhere was like the first time I marked out in forever. Same here. |
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Post by MCMGM on Nov 5, 2007 6:56:57 GMT -5
Here we go with the IWC stuff again.
Why can't we all like Stevie cuz we just do? Why must we be some big conspiracy theory group?
I liked him long before I found the internetz.
When given the chance he is hilarious and a very solid worker. Obviously he's good enough, he's kept his job all these years.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 5, 2007 7:53:09 GMT -5
Here we go with the IWC stuff again. Why can't we all like Stevie cuz we just do? Why must we be some big conspiracy theory group? I liked him long before I found the internetz. When given the chance he is hilarious and a very solid worker. Obviously he's good enough, he's kept his job all these years. To be fair, it's not like he has a huge following of casual fans, so I think that's why it's been mentioned. |
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Post by MCMGM on Nov 5, 2007 8:13:42 GMT -5
Here we go with the IWC stuff again. Why can't we all like Stevie cuz we just do? Why must we be some big conspiracy theory group? I liked him long before I found the internetz. When given the chance he is hilarious and a very solid worker. Obviously he's good enough, he's kept his job all these years. To be fair, it's not like he has a huge following of casual fans, so I think that's why it's been mentioned. How do you know that? What, because they don't come to the new ECW shows? That doesn't prove anything. |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 5, 2007 8:17:24 GMT -5
To be fair, it's not like he has a huge following of casual fans, so I think that's why it's been mentioned. How do you know that? What, because they don't coe to the new ECW shows? That doesn't prove anything. Well, where else are they going to go to if they care about the guy so much? The usual names I hear the most from casual fans are the Cena's/HBK's/HHH's/Austin's/Rock,etc. Maybe he has some fans, but if he had a big following outside of the internet, wouldn't they have made their voices known by now? As you could hear a pin drop during his matches. And if you want to talk about the old ECW, sure he was over like crazy there, but as they were a small portion of wrestling fans, it doesn't translate well to the big time in WWE. |
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Post by Jazzman on Nov 5, 2007 8:34:29 GMT -5
IMO: Stevie Night Heat >>>>>>>> RAW 2007
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Post by PTBartman on Nov 5, 2007 8:37:25 GMT -5
He puts out
Maximum effort
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 5, 2007 8:43:59 GMT -5
He consistently entertains me..that's why I like him. I don't wanna see him with the world title, but I enjoy watching his work. Me, an individual...not a collective. If others don't like him, that's cool with me...what anyone else thinks doesn't affect how I feel.
I felt the same way about Conway because I've seen his work for years before the WWE and he is a hell of a worker. His Lords of the Ring tag team with Dinsmore was awesome.
That's one man opinion, and it matters only to me.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Nov 5, 2007 8:47:07 GMT -5
I really don't think he's anything special, but I see why people like him...
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Post by Moonwalkin' Capt. Crow on Nov 5, 2007 9:16:08 GMT -5
He is celebrated because he has been in the business for so long. I think he has great matches and is great on a stick. I'm no super marker mind you, but i do enjoy his work.
Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if he was promoted in the future to training and developing guys in the developmental stage. (Like Tommy Dreamer or Al Snow)
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Post by joewolf on Nov 5, 2007 9:31:38 GMT -5
I think Stevie is a guy that you love to root for. After Raven left ECW, and pre bWo, when he was getting title shots, people were getting behind the lackey turned leader love. It was neat for me at the time at least.
I think that's what made RTC so great, is that Stevie went from lackey to leader. However, his star has dropped so much that it's be hard to get beyond a supplimentary role.
I would love to see a Jericho/Stevie tandem. Not really a tag team, or even a faction, just a guy to occasionally tag with or, if heel, have him do your dirty work, or, in a pinch, have a TV, not quite PPV, fued, possibly getting to a PPV if it works. Like Hulk Hogan/Jim Duggan in the 80s or Edge/Stinksy in the modern era.
There's alot of direction you could go with him, angle wise, that is unlike guys like Val Venis, who are character-orinented only in certain ways.
I would rate him, for my entertainment value, higher than about 1/4 of the regular roster.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Nov 5, 2007 10:53:38 GMT -5
Like Val, Stevie's appeal is that he's a very efficient worker and he has the ability to make his opponents look like a million bucks.
I've been a huge fan of Stevie since 1999 (watched his ECW stuff later on, and fell in love with it too), and he's just a wrestler who puts in a ton of effort, and when's on...he's on. He's great whenever he's given a mic (though sucks about his throat operation which makes it harder I imagine), and he's a great company guy. He cut off his long hair in a heartbeat to make the RTC angle work, and he was probably the second most-over heel in the company (behind HHH) during that era of WWF.
The large disappointment in Stevie is that despite everything he's done, he hasn't nearly gotten the amount of accomplishments as anybody else in WWF/WWE. During his RTC run, one of his most-over periods, the majority of RTC got title runs while Stevie played manager to the entire group.
Part of the underdog factor is the fact that every time Stevie gets a push, he seemingly gets the carpet yanked out from under him. You want to see him succeed, and it sucks that somebody's who been in it for so long shouldn't get more credit or a larger push for all that's he done and for all the guys (and girls during his Victoria years) he's put over.
I guess that's my reasoning..to be honest, I'm just a mark for the guy because he entertains me, and he's my favorite current WWE wrestler. No IWC bandwagoning, no liking the guy because it's the "in" thing to do, I just really like him because he's fun to watch. That's my opinion, not necessarily yours.
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Post by MCMGM on Nov 5, 2007 11:01:12 GMT -5
Like Val, Stevie's appeal is that he's a very efficient worker and he has the ability to make his opponents look like a million bucks. I've been a huge fan of Stevie since 1999 (watched his ECW stuff later on, and fell in love with it too), and he's just a wrestler who puts in a ton of effort, and when's on...he's on. He's great whenever he's given a mic (though sucks about his throat operation which makes it harder I imagine), and he's a great company guy. He cut off his long hair in a heartbeat to make the RTC angle work, and he was probably the second most-over heel in the company (behind HHH) during that era of WWF. The large disappointment in Stevie is that despite everything he's done, he hasn't nearly gotten the amount of accomplishments as anybody else in WWF/WWE. During his RTC run, one of his most-over periods, the majority of RTC got title runs while Stevie played manager to the entire group. Part of the underdog factor is the fact that every time Stevie gets a push, he seemingly gets the carpet yanked out from under him. You want to see him succeed, and it sucks that somebody's who been in it for so long shouldn't get more credit or a larger push for all that's he done and for all the guys (and girls during his Victoria years) he's put over. I guess that's my reasoning..to be honest, I'm just a mark for the guy because he entertains me, and he's my favorite current WWE wrestler. No IWC bandwagoning, no liking the guy because it's the "in" thing to do, I just really like him because he's fun to watch. That's my opinion, not necessarily yours. Perfect, thank you. |
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Nov 5, 2007 11:36:49 GMT -5
i do't think he is "average", i think the guy could genuinely be a great upper-midcarder. his matches with punk were great despite lasting all of five minutes, and both guys came out of it looking stronger than before each match. his promos are entertaining, and the guy exudes natural charisma. that and the whole "rooting for the underdog" thing. if everyone liked him ,he wouldn't seem that cool, but because i'm one of the few people who thinks the guy is world class, he seems less like an uber-talented wrestling machine, and more like your best mate.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 5, 2007 11:42:30 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the pro-Stevie people, but I never understood this board's Snitsky fixation.
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Post by Lancers on Nov 5, 2007 11:47:58 GMT -5
People love rooting for the underdog. Whether it's Stevie Richards, Val Venis or the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
He's solid, but not spectacular.
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Post by pathogen on Nov 5, 2007 13:31:10 GMT -5
I certainly don't dislike him, he's far better than CM Punk for a start. It's just a mob mentality thing I guess, alternative thing. A small group love him because the majority doesn't, and the minority is too busy being "alternative" to notice that the majority doesn't care about their opinion, and that he's not really that great.
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