TheKillShot
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Post by TheKillShot on Nov 7, 2007 0:07:39 GMT -5
Yes, it may sound kind of late, but here goes nothing.
Recently, the Fabulous Moolah has passed away, nothing can be done to bring her back. But what gets me is that her legacy may now be tarnished. People, especially the Cena ("new") fans are going to remember her as the side-kick of Mae Young on a handful of idiotic skits that made her look like an old useless geezer. The new fans won't remember her as the pioneer of women's wrestling and the legend that she created for herself, people will just remeber her as the funny, borderline idiotic old lady in a skit deemed improper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2007 0:10:59 GMT -5
sadly, this is the way i would have remembered her, I started watching wrestling only a couple years ago so technically i would be a "new" fan. but i have heard of her accomplishments from people here and i have seen some for myself (youtube) so i too find it sad that that is how she will be remembered to the newer fans
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 7, 2007 0:16:39 GMT -5
Yes, it may sound kind of late, but here goes nothing. Recently, the Fabulous Moolah has passed away, nothing can be done to bring her back. But what gets me is that her legacy may now be tarnished. People, especially the Cena ("new") fans are going to remember her as the side-kick of Mae Young on a handful of idiotic skits that made her look like an old useless geezer. The new fans won't remember her as the pioneer of women's wrestling and the legend that she created for herself, people will just remeber her as the funny, borderline idiotic old lady in a skit deemed improper. I doubt just the new "Cena" generation will remember her as that. Her era was quite a long time ago. |
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Post by Tyfo on Nov 7, 2007 0:21:30 GMT -5
Dont sell newer fans short. I started watching wrestling in 1991, so I never saw Moolah wrestle really. My main exposure to her were the apperances she made between 1999 until this year. But that dosent mean I dont know who she was and what she did.
That tribute video their airing now pretty much sums up what she will be remembered as.
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Mr Captain Falcon
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Nov 7, 2007 0:25:54 GMT -5
My Uncle used to show me tapes of WWF from the 60's and 70's and she was on a lot of them, so I was lucky enough to have known who she was before she got "attitude" in the new WWF.
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Dean-o
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 7, 2007 0:27:09 GMT -5
I just think it's cool that Vince kept bringing her back. Even for just a comedy role, it was still screen time and they always mentioned her past to the fans.
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on Nov 7, 2007 0:27:33 GMT -5
I don't think her memory will be tarnished because today when I was talking with one of my super mark friends I informed him of her death and his response was actually quite sad and he even said "without her there would be no women's wrestling today" so I have a feeling the "younger" generation or people who started watching not too long ago have a feeling of just what Moolah did in her prime. Plus that was a very nice video package the E put together on Raw.
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Post by VKMTV on Nov 7, 2007 0:36:06 GMT -5
If newer fans are like I was back when I first started wrestling. They consume as much wrestling footage and history as possible. I remember all the time I spent watching 80s and early 90s WWF videos, even though I only started watching in 1995. I still think this is true to todays young fans, because I witness tons of young fans who place Attitude era stuff as classic material even though they state that they got into wrestling in 2004.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on Nov 7, 2007 1:05:22 GMT -5
God, I feel old.
My first live event was in 1982! I do agree that new wrestling fans start by soaking in as much footage and history as possible,plus the internet has some great sites. Wen I was 8-9 years old, I used to crush PWI, The Wrestler, Classic Wrestling, etc. magazines daily. I would buy one every chance I had. Hopefully, newer fans (post 1990 is NEWER) will be able to understand the pioneer Moolah was through these channels.
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Post by LuckyD 8402 on Nov 7, 2007 1:10:50 GMT -5
She loved wrestling and died at on old age still having fun with it. If only every other wrestler could only be so lucky.
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Post by Tyfo on Nov 7, 2007 1:11:53 GMT -5
God, I feel old. My first live event was in 1982! I do agree that new wrestling fans start by soaking in as much footage and history as possible,plus the internet has some great sites. Wen I was 8-9 years old, I used to crush PWI, The Wrestler, Classic Wrestling, etc. magazines daily. I would buy one every chance I had. Hopefully, newer fans (post 1990 is NEWER) will be able to understand the pioneer Moolah was through these channels. Yup, when I started watching in 1991, I ran through every wrestling video the Blockbuster by my house had in about 3 months. Every weekend, Id make my mom take me and rent 2 or 3 wrestling videos and Id watch them back to back on Saturday and usually watch one or both again on Sunday. I used them and magazines, like you said, to piece together the history prior to 1991. Until I got the internet, and by that point, I just needed to fill in a few holes in my knowledge, which I did. There were 6 video stores accesable to me at that time. I dont think they had one wrestling video between them that I hadnt rented at least twice by 1995 or so. |
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Post by batwoman on Nov 7, 2007 4:33:58 GMT -5
I think it's sad that the other women wrestlers in the 1940, 50's, that paved the way for women's wrestling are forgotten.
Without Fabulous Moolah there would be no women's wrestling?
These women were also pioneers.
Mildred Burke
Gladys "Kill 'Em" Gillem
Mae Weston
Elvira Snodgrass "The Wrestling Hillbilly"
Ida May Martinez
Ella Waldek
Penny Banner
June Byers
Cora Combs
Vivian Vachon
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Mozenrath
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 7, 2007 4:35:46 GMT -5
If anything, people will remember her for the tributes WWE is doing.
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The Cool Pup
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Post by The Cool Pup on Nov 7, 2007 5:23:11 GMT -5
Don't credit the "Cena generation" for this.
I started watching wrestling in the late 80s but stopped when I reached like 6, and when the mid-1998s boom period came, I got re-into it and I still wasn't aware who Moolah was, aside from remembering her on Hulk Hogan's cartoon show.
The fact is, she was a part of pointless skits including Mae Young since that time (~1998). WWE fans are smart to know due to these video packages that in her prime she was a major figure of wrestling history, after she retired she was as bumbling as Brisco and Patterson. Don't get me wrong, I was a huge fan of the duo of Brisco and Patterson as comedy figures, but the point is exactly the same.
A lot of those Mae Young and Moolah skits were bad, but a whole lot were entertaining, and without those, nobody who likely still watches today would even know her period. It is best that fans were introduced to her proper due to these video packages as well as having memory for the skits.
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Post by Libertine on Nov 7, 2007 7:48:41 GMT -5
So what if that's all she's remembered for?
The women's division now is dominated by bikini-clad airheads and foot fetish models.
Sure, Moolah done a lot in her day. 40 years ago. What has carried over from those into modern women's wrestling?
I'll remember her for whatever antics her and Young were booked into. It was sometimes funny, and good to see an old girl could make some good money in an industry obsessed with aesthetics.
To me, it seems like people say "Respect what she did all those years ago" because they want to be seen as 'proper' wrestling fans. The harsh truth is, it matters not anymore.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 7, 2007 8:09:36 GMT -5
I started watching WWF as a youngster in the mid-80's during the "Rock N' Wrestling" era, so I remember her for her feud with Wendy Richter, just as much as the later appearances.
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Post by iamthegamewjwf on Nov 7, 2007 9:51:25 GMT -5
I disagree...she entertained the wrestling fans till the end of her life. She was always around wrestling and even when she couldnt wrestle anymore, she found another way to entertain...which is more than 90% of ex wrestlers can say.
If she wasnt around doing her goofy gimicks with May Young....the new wrestling fans probably wouldnt even know who she is.
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Post by Kae on Nov 7, 2007 10:04:14 GMT -5
I like to think that her ultimate legacy won't be decided by her comedy sketches with Mae Young and Mark Henry. That may be the case at the moment, but she will be remembered for what she did during her prime when more time has passed.
I hope they bring out a DVD of her greatest matches, tbh. I'd buy it.
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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 7, 2007 10:31:19 GMT -5
Best Moolah moment for me was in the 80's and they were doing battle royal's at house shows with her in them. She would slide under the ring until the last person was there and then se woud throw themn aout and win. The first woman to win a Battle Royal. Great stuff and huge heat from the crowd
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Post by Loki on Nov 7, 2007 10:37:19 GMT -5
Those old enough (like me, sigh) to remember her actual in-ring stints will remember her for that.
Younger dedicate fans will dig some old footage and learn a bit about Moolah's career.
Even younger fans will eventually find a video on youtube and wonder how could flat-chested and "ugly"-looking women make it to national TV.
Many won't be bothered and will remember Moolah like one of the two old crazy women who made silly cameos.
It's normal: older fans will remember and "respect" something they managed to experience firsthand, and no acquired knowledge can really make up for that.
Same for Flair (and Dusty, and many others)
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