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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2007 0:23:59 GMT -5
The finish couldnt have been done any more perfect. The "HBK had the chance but couldnt" thing didnt come out forced AT ALL at the end and I really thought it would. I thought they was gonna make HBK stop all over the top like, but they didnt. It was a good match with the right ending... agreed
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Post by robferatu on Nov 19, 2007 0:31:25 GMT -5
Well it's obvious that it's going to be Triple H vs. Randy Orton at Wrestlemania, it's been obvious since Randy Orton won the Championship back from him at No Mercy, so everything between now and then is pretty much filler. You have to keep Triple H away from Randy Orton until then.
To me it was perfect that Randy Orton won, it was too obvious to have Shawn Michaels to win, plus at this moment and time they are doing everything they can to get Orton over, and tonight was proof of that.
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Post by kittylimits on Nov 19, 2007 1:18:41 GMT -5
For someone who has a joke about John Cena and Triple H "burying" everyone as their icon, it's weird that you are disappointed that HBK was shown as "inferior" to Orton.
Have you not seen the past few weeks? The way HBK had ALWAYS been getting the upper hand over Orton, if he did not win clean via RKO, Randy would have been absolutely BURYIED and a nothing....for long times to come. The win absolutely helped him and in no way hurt HBK, who ended up with the upper hand after the match using his finish move that wasn't allowed during the match.
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Post by humanoid on Nov 19, 2007 1:27:32 GMT -5
Yeah, both men looked good in the match. Orton got a clean win, and Michaels got his heat back after the match.
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Post by 404error on Nov 19, 2007 1:32:01 GMT -5
So what's the ruling on spoiler alerts here? Usually people are a little more conservative with their subject titles.
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 19, 2007 1:38:30 GMT -5
What the hell is WWE trying to make the fans think by having Orton win clean against HBK? HBK lost even after doing 3 of the best submission moves to an RKO. So HBK is now inferior to Orton. So WWE IS saying that without the Sweet Chin Music HBK is nothing... What the hell? Where do they go from here? HHH vs Orton again? Jericho is the only other option I guess. HBK has beaten Orton plenty of times over the years. Losing one match does not make HBK inferior. Besides, what's wrong with building up your current champion?
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Post by Dean-o on Nov 19, 2007 1:39:40 GMT -5
So what's the ruling on spoiler alerts here? Usually people are a little more conservative with their subject titles. If it already happened (or should I say, aired on TV, since Smackdown is taped) then there are no need for spoilers anymore.
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Post by DeuceDominoMark on Nov 19, 2007 2:08:42 GMT -5
I don't like Orton AT ALL, but I'm content with this result. Don't wanna beat a dead horse and repeat what everyone else said. I just want to say to all the people who are talking about all the submission moves Hickenbottom executed: Let's rewind 10 years ago and, without Vince at ringside, we get the same result. ie: Shawn can't make the champion give up! So what's the ruling on spoiler alerts here? Usually people are a little more conservative with their subject titles. Kudos to you for knowing which Hockey Team rules. But come on, it already happened. You can't knock anyone for "spoilers" simply because you taped it and haven't gotten a chance to watch it yet. Or are ordering the replay...
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Nov 19, 2007 2:16:29 GMT -5
HBK is old and should be on his last run, Orton is young and currently the champion. Why are you so surprised by Orton going over HBK? QFT Villains are no good if they lose all the time.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 19, 2007 2:34:21 GMT -5
HBK is old and should be on his last run, Orton is young and currently the champion. Why are you so surprised by Orton going over HBK? QFT Villains are no good if they lose all the time. Agreed, and it's nice to see WWE finally figuring that considering the last few years.
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Post by Miz-Wannabe on Nov 19, 2007 3:11:32 GMT -5
Ok fine... I guess I was wrong, and I understand why they did it.
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Post by smartcenadude on Nov 19, 2007 3:13:31 GMT -5
cool, nice way to pass the torch.
i applaud shawn for helping put over both cena and orton, and hope that randy takes the ball and runs with it.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Nov 19, 2007 3:15:12 GMT -5
Sucks that he lost. Up and coming star or not...Orton's still boring as hell. Taking a crap is more fun than watching Randy Orton do anything really. WWE should give up on him and find someone else. No. Just no. Orton is the top heel on Raw right now. Giving up on him would just be dumb as hell, and a waste. He has that killer instinct, and sadistic character in him that most heels nowadays don't possess an inkling of. His run as champ has entertained me, and kept me guessing on the outcome of his matches (unlike the former champion). Besides, wrestling is in his blood. Just look at what HBK and Orton did for the first like 10 minutes of that match tonight...pure wrestling and psychology. It was a welcome change of pace IMO.
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 19, 2007 3:15:53 GMT -5
HBK doesn't need a title anymore.
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Post by Hakumental on Nov 19, 2007 3:17:21 GMT -5
I'd agree that this gives Orton's reign some legitimacy- except that a win over a wrestler only means something when that wrestler is not ordered to hold back.
Yes, HBK used three of the most well-known submission moves in wrestling. However, none of them are his specialty. None of them are a part of his personal repertoire. Forbidding him from using the kick he's practiced and executed thousands of times over the course of his career essentially means you're not allowing Orton to get a "clean" win over Shawn Michaels. You stack the deck against the challenger but not the champion, and how does the champion look any better for beating the challenger? The challenger wasn't allowed to fully challenge him.
This is why I generally hate "your finishing move is banned!" stipulations. When it's just the heel boss or commissioner screwing around on a RAW, fine, but in this case, why not have Orton himself make it impossible for Shawn to use SCM? Taking the leg out early and working it all match may be cliche, but it makes sense AND it means Orton would have shut HBK down himself, instead of outlasting a gimped wrestler who, kayfabe-wise, was forced to resort to a style of wrestling he doesn't typically use to defeat opponents.
If anything, that match ends up saying more about HBK's skills than Orton's, when I'd rather it said just as much about Orton's.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Nov 19, 2007 3:18:42 GMT -5
Damn. Besides No Way Out...I don't think HBK has even won a match this year on PPV.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Nov 19, 2007 6:13:29 GMT -5
I can deal with HBK putting over younger talent, but Orton is just plain boring. Evolution Orton was entertaining but this serious gimmick he has now is just awful.
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Post by Kae on Nov 19, 2007 7:06:03 GMT -5
I agree with most of what has been said. HBK is in his 40's, working a reduced schedule, not appearing at house shows. He was also protected by the finish, since he couldn't use SCM and was thrown off by it. Also, I thought it was a nice touch given Montreal. It shows HBK has changed. He's now putting people over.
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Post by leemir on Nov 19, 2007 7:08:08 GMT -5
They need a heel Champ right now after Cena's long ass reign all the top heels & even midcard heels have had their chance the title so if HBK won he'd be just going against all those.
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Post by Ken Ivory on Nov 19, 2007 7:12:06 GMT -5
HBK Lost?! Surely, it's the end of the world as we know it.
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