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Post by Baixo Astral on Nov 28, 2007 9:08:59 GMT -5
You're a mod, and I assume that means you're supposed to set a positive example for posters. So, what do you mean by overrated? In my personal opinion, RVD is a decent guy with some innovative stuff... however, he's been trotting out the same act for many years now, and it's pretty hackneyed, but he gets a lot of online love... that's what I mean by overrated. Now, what do you mean by setting a positive example?
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 28, 2007 9:33:20 GMT -5
I think he should be occasionally brought back for the express purpose of selling the hell out of someone's finisher. The way he sold that RKO was just...damn. And that piledriver he got from Tommy Dreamer. Plus, the way he sells his own 5 Star Frogsplash just makes it look like he put everything into it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 28, 2007 10:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 28, 2007 10:35:15 GMT -5
You're a mod, and I assume that means you're supposed to set a positive example for posters. So, what do you mean by overrated? In my personal opinion, RVD is a decent guy with some innovative stuff... however, he's been trotting out the same act for many years now, and it's pretty hackneyed, but he gets a lot of online love... that's what I mean by overrated. Now, what do you mean by setting a positive example? I meant that when someone says "overrated" it really is just a soft way of saying "people like him but they're wrong," which is what leads to bad things.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 28, 2007 10:47:33 GMT -5
If anything I think RVD is quite underrated because there's always someone out there saying how overrated he is. I miss him big time.
The odd thing is that Van Dam always gelled best with unlikely opponents. I'd say the best Test match I've ever seen was the one hardcore match with RVD from ECW last year. The best Holly match I've seen was also from that time period, the one with Holly's sick back gash.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 28, 2007 10:47:37 GMT -5
Tell me really what benefits beyond glaucoma does Marijuana have? I mean it's smoking and well what did Bob Marley die of? Eheh, taking the stance of you know RESPONSIBLE parents and individuals, and WWE being a company that takes into consideratino a broad audience most of which consist of children. Promoting drug use through a character would be horrible. I know I know double standard when they promoted an angry alcoholic like Stone Cold. Bob Marley died of cancer which originated in the skin of his big toe. I'm focusing on your "just as bad and addictive as cigarettes" thing, which was wrong. Potheads are called potheads for a reason because they addicted. Just like Cigarrettes, alcohol, and other things. it's a vice. Just because Snoop Dog and RVD smoke trees, doesn't mean it's actually a good wholesome activity devoid of any consequences. I never saw the point in Making RVD basically Chronic. I mean why not just put a Marijuana Leaf on his singlet and all that. oh I know who i sound like. drugs are bad mmkay
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Nov 28, 2007 11:12:23 GMT -5
There is definately a double standard when it comes to how the WWE reacts to real life "incidents". RVD gets stripped of the titles and suspended over a very minor incident in which he wasn't even handcuffed. However, when "homegrown" talent like Orton does things that he would have been arrested for had the cops been there, he gets to stay home for a while and pushed to the moon on return. My actual opinion of RVD is that of a Fence sitter. I love him and I hate him. He is way too repetitive and his mic work is beyond stale. However, when he does stuff like selling an RKO head first at a 90 degree angle, he gets some love from me. He needs to tweak his character when he returns. Drop the thumbs act and even eliminate the pot references for all I care. Do the pot references actually motivate anyone to buy a PPV or merchandise anymore? Also, I have always had the opinion that RVD could use a public speaking class because his promos are way too monotone. There is no high/low pitch to his voice. Just one stale porno acting quality statement after another. You want to get into the ring with me? RVD ?(while doing the thumbs)
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Post by Baixo Astral on Nov 28, 2007 11:13:15 GMT -5
In my personal opinion, RVD is a decent guy with some innovative stuff... however, he's been trotting out the same act for many years now, and it's pretty hackneyed, but he gets a lot of online love... that's what I mean by overrated. Now, what do you mean by setting a positive example? I meant that when someone says "overrated" it really is just a soft way of saying "people like him but they're wrong," which is what leads to bad things. See, I never say that... when I say something is overrated, I generally mean that it has it's merits but isn't all that.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 28, 2007 11:20:37 GMT -5
People are just WAY defensive around here
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Post by Baixo Astral on Nov 28, 2007 11:21:24 GMT -5
People are just WAY defensive around here NO WE'RE NOT! TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW!!!
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Post by fmvguy on Nov 28, 2007 12:00:33 GMT -5
he's been trotting out the same act for many years now, and it's pretty hackneyed Let's just hope your favorite wrestlers are not Bret Hart or Ric Flair.
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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 28, 2007 12:13:01 GMT -5
I like RVD ok but I have never bought him as a credable main eventer except in ECW.
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Post by Big L on Nov 28, 2007 13:15:11 GMT -5
i would mark for a surprise return
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 28, 2007 13:21:15 GMT -5
There is definately a double standard when it comes to how the WWE reacts to real life "incidents". RVD gets stripped of the titles and suspended over a very minor incident in which he wasn't even handcuffed. However, when "homegrown" talent like Orton does things that he would have been arrested for had the cops been there, he gets to stay home for a while and pushed to the moon on return. Well let's see, RVD caught with weed = suspension. Orton rolling a joint backstage = suspension. They both came back after their suspension and were involved in chasing the title on the brand that they were on. Seems pretty similar to me.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 28, 2007 13:36:24 GMT -5
I found it amusing he got punished for pot when they deliberately filled SvR06 with pot jokes. And of course the "No one gets higher" t-shirt. Its so ridiculous and hypocritical with the history of bad taste and controversey that WWE even cares about the image of its champion. That's true, but he got caught with it so it made things difficult, even more than they already were as upper management wasn't too crazy about him. He should've been more careful as he was under a lot of scrutiny at the time, and could've proved a lot of his detractors wrong, but messed up big time.
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Post by pathogen on Nov 28, 2007 14:02:44 GMT -5
EDIT - we're not here to debate which drugs are and aren't 'harmless'.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Nov 28, 2007 14:12:51 GMT -5
This month's Maxim Magazine has a long article on the Benoit tragedy. RVD, as well as a few other wrestlers, give some comments for the article. They refer to him as a "36 year old retired pro." Take that for whatever it's worth.
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Post by Cretinous Humanoid on Nov 28, 2007 14:37:51 GMT -5
I really hope he doesn't come back. I have never found him to be even remotely entertaining.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Nov 28, 2007 14:43:05 GMT -5
There is definately a double standard when it comes to how the WWE reacts to real life "incidents". RVD gets stripped of the titles and suspended over a very minor incident in which he wasn't even handcuffed. However, when "homegrown" talent like Orton does things that he would have been arrested for had the cops been there, he gets to stay home for a while and pushed to the moon on return. Well let's see, RVD caught with weed = suspension. Orton rolling a joint backstage = suspension. They both came back after their suspension and were involved in chasing the title on the brand that they were on. Seems pretty similar to me. True. Except when you get to the point where they were to get their World title payoff. Orton got his. RVD got to feud with Bob Holly and job to a heatless Test. If it was truly equal, Orton, like RVD after December to Dismember, would have been pushed aside for someone else the night he should have regained the title. That's the difference. Orton got chance after chance after chance, and then was given a World Title. RVD screwed up once, and was never allowed anywhere close to the top again. It's a double standard. And it's not a matter of being over, because RVD got much more of a reaction than Orton ever has.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 28, 2007 14:47:16 GMT -5
Well let's see, RVD caught with weed = suspension. Orton rolling a joint backstage = suspension. They both came back after their suspension and were involved in chasing the title on the brand that they were on. Seems pretty similar to me. True. Except when you get to the point where they were to get their World title payoff. Orton got his. RVD got to feud with Bob Holly and job to a heatless Test. If it was truly equal, Orton, like RVD after December to Dismember, would have been pushed aside for someone else the night he should have regained the title. That's the difference. Orton got chance after chance after chance, and then was given a World Title. RVD screwed up once, and was never allowed anywhere close to the top again. It's a double standard. And it's not a matter of being over, because RVD got much more of a reaction than Orton ever has. Yes, but Orton didn't ALSO get caught by the cops and arrested. RVD did. I think that's the big dividing issue. RVD could have f***ed things up for everyone. Orton only really f***ed things up for himself. (My god, I can't believe I'm basically defending Orton here)
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