Just Jay
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Post by Just Jay on Nov 29, 2007 13:33:33 GMT -5
I have to admit that when I read te title I thought I saw "Kelly Kelly's Crotch" So I'm a tad disappointed to say the least.
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Post by Libertine on Nov 29, 2007 13:35:57 GMT -5
I have to admit that when I read te title I thought I saw "Kelly Kelly's Crotch" So I'm a tad disappointed to say the least. I was just about to say the same thing. I'm very disappointed that this thread didn't deliver.
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Post by iamthegamewjwf on Nov 29, 2007 13:46:12 GMT -5
If you guys want to see her crotch in this thread so bad, why doesnt someone post it?
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Post by plushtar on Nov 29, 2007 14:59:16 GMT -5
Trish's legacy was that she was eye candy that became a world champion. Only a few people will see her as one who actually took time to develop her skills in her short time in the business.
On that note, there were/are worse wrestlers; since we are on the subject of women, I would like to mention Torrie Wilson. Her only moves involve the big boob avalanche and the stinkface.
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Post by Just Jay on Nov 29, 2007 15:02:12 GMT -5
^Well when you put it like that, it really puts the whole Women's Division in perspective for ya. You see people like Moolah who revolutionzied the biz, and nowadays we're treated to the ever so classy Big Boob Avalanche. What a progression, or as Vince McMahon would say from "WWF RAW Arcade Game", "What a debacle!"
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 29, 2007 15:36:30 GMT -5
i think if you watch shimmer or somewhere that features good women's wrestling you will see there are many who could be just as marketable. I agree, and honestly I think girls like Daizee Haze and MsChif in particular are hugely marketable on a grand scale. They both have unique looks, especially when you consider how generic many indy females are (some of them are great workers... they just lack a distictive character).
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 29, 2007 15:43:14 GMT -5
i think if you watch shimmer or somewhere that features good women's wrestling you will see there are many who could be just as marketable. I agree, and honestly I think girls like Daizee Haze and MsChif in particular are hugely marketable on a grand scale. They both have unique looks, especially when you consider how generic many indy females are (some of them are great workers... they just lack a distictive character). i agree completely. daizee and mschif both have great characters that i think could get over extremely well with a mainstream wrestling crowd. add to the fact they already have the in ring skills. man i love good women's wrestling. roxxi is my favorite knockout for sure.
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Post by plushtar on Nov 29, 2007 16:04:04 GMT -5
I agree, and honestly I think girls like Daizee Haze and MsChif in particular are hugely marketable on a grand scale. They both have unique looks, especially when you consider how generic many indy females are (some of them are great workers... they just lack a distictive character). i agree completely. daizee and mschif both have great characters that i think could get over extremely well with a mainstream wrestling crowd. add to the fact they already have the in ring skills. man i love good women's wrestling. roxxi is my favorite knockout for sure. The Knockouts have great potential and compared to the WWE, TNA actually has a legit Women's Division. Pros: - Brooks is doing okay with her Roode storyline, and it has introduced the world to a new female pro wrestler who may give Brooks something to do. Plus, Brooks can really take great falls. - Kong is an all-around bad ass. - Gail Kim, she is one of the few that shed the WWE reject label and is working towards making her own name. - Jackie Moore is a good veteran performer and her experience could help the younger talent. - Roxxi is good, but not great. Things would improve if she dropped the two leeches. - I always read good things about ODB, but I have yet to see it. - Angel Williams & Talia Madison so far make great jobbers. Con: - The name Knockout sounds stupid.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 29, 2007 18:46:12 GMT -5
i agree completely. daizee and mschif both have great characters that i think could get over extremely well with a mainstream wrestling crowd. add to the fact they already have the in ring skills. man i love good women's wrestling. roxxi is my favorite knockout for sure. The Knockouts have great potential and compared to the WWE, TNA actually has a legit Women's Division. Pros: - Brooks is doing okay with her Roode storyline, and it has introduced the world to a new female pro wrestler who may give Brooks something to do. Plus, Brooks can really take great falls. - Kong is an all-around bad ass. - Gail Kim, she is one of the few that shed the WWE reject label and is working towards making her own name. - Jackie Moore is a good veteran performer and her experience could help the younger talent. - Roxxi is good, but not great. Things would improve if she dropped the two leeches. - I always read good things about ODB, but I have yet to see it. - Angel Williams & Talia Madison so far make great jobbers. Con: - The name Knockout sounds stupid. I agree the name Knockout does sound bad -- sounds too gimmicky, and I don't know why they can't just be called "the TNA women wrestlers". Still, the pros on your list far outweight the cons! The only thing I want to add is that I think Roxxi is actually a lot better than she has shown so far in TNA. I will fully admit that since debuting in TNA, she has been doing some very abbreviated matches and she hardly has had a chance to really accomplish too much (largely due to her 2 leeches as you called them ;D ) Prior to TNA, she has shown a lot of in-ring talent. She had a match in Shimmer against Kong, and it was very wild and very entertaining. I hope TNA realizes that those 2 have good ring chemistry, and make a feud between them at some point.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 29, 2007 19:08:32 GMT -5
Kong-great Gail-good wrestler but her promos suck Talia- meh Angel Williams-Meh ODB- She's supposed to be very talented, maybe she needs more time. Roxy-Meh. Jackie- never been entertaining to me.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 29, 2007 19:38:10 GMT -5
The Knockouts have great potential and compared to the WWE, TNA actually has a legit Women's Division. Pros: - Brooks is doing okay with her Roode storyline, and it has introduced the world to a new female pro wrestler who may give Brooks something to do. Plus, Brooks can really take great falls. - Kong is an all-around bad ass. - Gail Kim, she is one of the few that shed the WWE reject label and is working towards making her own name. - Jackie Moore is a good veteran performer and her experience could help the younger talent. - Roxxi is good, but not great. Things would improve if she dropped the two leeches. - I always read good things about ODB, but I have yet to see it. - Angel Williams & Talia Madison so far make great jobbers. Con: - The name Knockout sounds stupid. I agree the name Knockout does sound bad -- sounds too gimmicky, and I don't know why they can't just be called "the TNA women wrestlers". Still, the pros on your list far outweight the cons! The only thing I want to add is that I think Roxxi is actually a lot better than she has shown so far in TNA. I will fully admit that since debuting in TNA, she has been doing some very abbreviated matches and she hardly has had a chance to really accomplish too much (largely due to her 2 leeches as you called them ;D ) Prior to TNA, she has shown a lot of in-ring talent. She had a match in Shimmer against Kong, and it was very wild and very entertaining. I hope TNA realizes that those 2 have good ring chemistry, and make a feud between them at some point. i wish roxxi would pull out the barbie killer. i quite enjoy that move.
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Post by Loki on Nov 29, 2007 20:28:03 GMT -5
Let's put it like this... Trish'es success is mostly due to the lucky coincidence of coming around during a very low period for Women's wrestling. She was the slightly less bad wrestler out of the crop of bimbos WWE kept hiring, and considering the more talented girls were either gone, injured or depushed, she was given the ball. And she still needed the help of better workers to look decent. Is it a coincidence that the women's division has provided godawful matches despite "the 2nd best ever" being there? Shouldn't she carry other people? Well all I'm saying is that women's wrestling has never been popular, and women's wrestilng alone would never sell out MSG or get a nationaly televised prime time TV show, but given the catagories that I stated for my requirements of the best of all time: 1) Wrestling ability 2) Mic Skills 3) Marketability/ability to draw on the big stageWho has been better at all of these all around better than Trish? Moolah, arguably Lita...theres not much competition. in my opninion, Trish is second best all time. Honestly, I'll agree that its sad for women's wrestling that she is second best all time...but I really dont see anyone else who has done what she has done in this business. Maybe Lita, but thats it. I'm ignorant of the real old school days though....maybe there where some big draws way back in Moola's time, but I dont know. These two statements are a tad incompatible... If women's wrestling has never drawn and never will, what's the point in looking for marketability and drawing power? Anyway, I still think Chyna and Lita gave much much more to women's wrestling than Trish. Chyna was the first (and only?) woman to hold her own against male wrestlers and was a great character Lita brought high-flying style to a more general audience, and before her injuries she was amazing. And post-injuries was still better than most. Arguably Sensational Sherri played a bigger role than Trish, but she's mostly remembered as a manager, so I'm 50/50 here, although Sherri could wrestling circles around Trish anyday. In terms of popularity, some other women may have done more than Trish, but I won't list Divas from the Attitude Era as they barely count as wrestlers. So, even considering your three criteria (albeit #3 clashes with your, my [and WWE's] perception of women's wrestling, Trish has to settle down for a 5th place.
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Post by iamthegamewjwf on Nov 30, 2007 9:52:50 GMT -5
Well all I'm saying is that women's wrestling has never been popular, and women's wrestilng alone would never sell out MSG or get a nationaly televised prime time TV show, but given the catagories that I stated for my requirements of the best of all time: 1) Wrestling ability 2) Mic Skills 3) Marketability/ability to draw on the big stageWho has been better at all of these all around better than Trish? Moolah, arguably Lita...theres not much competition. in my opninion, Trish is second best all time. Honestly, I'll agree that its sad for women's wrestling that she is second best all time...but I really dont see anyone else who has done what she has done in this business. Maybe Lita, but thats it. I'm ignorant of the real old school days though....maybe there where some big draws way back in Moola's time, but I dont know. These two statements are a tad incompatible... If women's wrestling has never drawn and never will, what's the point in looking for marketability and drawing power? I told myself to stop posting here because its obvious neither sides will give in, but I have to defend myself here. What I mean is womens wrestling alone will never be a big draw; but a women wrestler can draw and have marketability when wrestling in a co-ed/prominently male wrestling fed such as the WWE. Now a women wrestler will never have the drawing power, or marketability as the top male wrestlers; but that doesn't mean they don't have any. If Trish wasn't marketable and couldn't draw a crowd, then they wouldn't put her on TV or in PPVs. A women wrestler will never draw as much as Hogan, but Trish defiantly drew more than a Mike Knox or some other lower level to mid level male talent. Thats more than anyone in Shimmer can say. Sherri may have had drawing power back in her day; but the question there is who had better drawing power? I'd have to say Trish. When I was a kid I never even knew Sherri use to wrestle. but again, this is all a matter of opinion...and this is mine. I totally respect anyone's opinion who disagrees. The argument of "who is the best wrestler" is a tricky one, because unlike sports theres no cold, hard stats to go by. Its all a matter of opinion and how people evaluate greatness in wrestling.
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Post by deadguy2322 on Nov 30, 2007 10:23:17 GMT -5
I don't care how "hot" she is. Her pearly white teeth and boobs don't account for being in a "wrestling" promotion for almost a year and not knowing how to wrestle yet getting in a ring to possibly maim and injure. That's the thing. WWE is not Wrestling. Vince HATES wrestling. He is a frustrated movie maker who happens to own what was once a wrestling company. Hence the hated phrase "Sports-entertainment".
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Nov 30, 2007 10:54:14 GMT -5
untill you change that "b" to a "cr" i'm not watching the video
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Post by CM Punk's Favorite Boobs on Nov 30, 2007 12:53:33 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if I wanted to post in this thread or not because talking about women's wrestling gets me so fired up, but when I have to talk about and be forced to watch crap like Kelly Kelly, it gets me even more fired up, and not in a good way.
Personally, I can't stand Kelly Kelly. I'm sure she's a nice girl, but sometimes I think that if I ever saw her in real life, I'd punch her in the mush really hard for being so boring, dull, lifeless, and moronic. I really don't think she understands how amazing her job is and how extremely lucky she is to have it. When she gets in the ring, I basically just want to cry. Much to my chagrin, I'll give her credit for at least attempting to try. Like I said, I'm sure she's a nice girl, but she's completely useless.
Trish, while obviously an attractive and smart woman, was overrated in my opinion. Sure, she grew as a wrestler by leaps and bounds, but she wasn't and isn't the end all, be all of women's wrestling. I can name a handful of women who IMO are much better than she was at her peak. Did she draw? Without a doubt. Did she take good bumps and could she work a mic? Definitely. Was she worth everything they gave her? Probably not.
I'm not even sure anymore where I wanted to go with this and I barely even wrote anything. Its just frustrating when they have actual women's wrestlers in developmental and they haven't brought them up, and girls like Kelly Kelly are still on a main roster and getting TV time.
Very, very frustrating.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Nov 30, 2007 14:25:19 GMT -5
I don't care how "hot" she is. Her pearly white teeth and boobs don't account for being in a "wrestling" promotion for almost a year and not knowing how to wrestle yet getting in a ring to possibly maim and injure. That's the thing. WWE is not Wrestling. Vince HATES wrestling. He is a frustrated movie maker who happens to own what was once a wrestling company. Hence the hated phrase "Sports-entertainment". He's still responsible as a "wrestling promoter". That's what they're supposed to be doing in the ring. Kelly isn't doing anything remotely close to wrestling in the ring. I've seen people with muscle cramps in their friggin' legs display more athletic mobility. And every time she's on the camera, she has the "deer caught in the headlights" look, spitting out her idiotic dialogue. ALL I'M SAYING is there are other "Divas" that could be in her spot and she could be folding shirts for the shirt cannon or something.
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Post by kittylimits on Nov 30, 2007 14:43:34 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if I wanted to post in this thread or not because talking about women's wrestling gets me so fired up, but when I have to talk about and be forced to watch crap like Kelly Kelly, it gets me even more fired up, and not in a good way. Personally, I can't stand Kelly Kelly. I'm sure she's a nice girl, but sometimes I think that if I ever saw her in real life, I'd punch her in the mush really hard for being so boring, dull, lifeless, and moronic. I really don't think she understands how amazing her job is and how extremely lucky she is to have it. When she gets in the ring, I basically just want to cry. Much to my chagrin, I'll give her credit for at least attempting to try. Like I said, I'm sure she's a nice girl, but she's completely useless. Trish, while obviously an attractive and smart woman, was overrated in my opinion. Sure, she grew as a wrestler by leaps and bounds, but she wasn't and isn't the end all, be all of women's wrestling. I can name a handful of women who IMO are much better than she was at her peak. Did she draw? Without a doubt. Did she take good bumps and could she work a mic? Definitely. Was she worth everything they gave her? Probably not. I'm not even sure anymore where I wanted to go with this and I barely even wrote anything. Its just frustrating when they have actual women's wrestlers in developmental and they haven't brought them up, and girls like Kelly Kelly are still on a main roster and getting TV time. Very, very frustrating. Maybe I love you. I just came to the last page of this, and just saw the last few comments. I am the biggest WWE Mark, and an even bigger Women's Wrestling Mark. But that doesn't mean I am happy with everything. I am pretty okay with the divas they have there now -- I hope Candice doesnt came back and get her belt. I'm THRILLED to be seeing Mickie vs Beth. And the TNA women's division has me slightly optimistic. Then I see girls like Kelly Kelly...KILL ME. Kelly's getting such a quick, undeserved push -- Much like Michelle McCool was tried, and freakin ASHLEY. When there are gals like Mickie, and others in developmental, and MANY others on the indy scene -- who are ten billion times more talented.....and a lot of times, just as hot if not hotter. Honestly...it is just down to who the writers and talent agents find hot, they dont care how stupid it looks. they dont care how much it EMBARRASSES and makes the WWE look bad by having matches that just look SO f***ING fake. Oh, shes hot, so guys must love it. Right?
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Nov 30, 2007 16:49:01 GMT -5
Kelly kelly's continued presence can be easily explained by some of the comments here, IE:
"until it says crotch i wont watch the video"
as long as wwe see's that there is demographic of men that care nothing about how the women are performing and only watch to see to attractive women roll around in the ring they will continue to scour the sears catalog for years to come.
perhap's im old fashion but when i turn to channel (# here) and the next wrestling match is Diva A vs Diva B(which coiencedently how i refer to most of them seeing as how there so dull i cant remember there names) i kinda expect to see a wrestling match and not say: an Extreme bra and panties, lingerie, paddle on a pole, pudding filled pool, food fight match.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 30, 2007 21:32:21 GMT -5
Kelly kelly's continued presence can be easily explained by some of the comments here, IE: "until it says crotch i wont watch the video" as long as wwe see's that there is demographic of men that care nothing about how the women are performing and only watch to see to attractive women roll around in the ring they will continue to scour the sears catalog for years to come. perhap's im old fashion but when i turn to channel (# here) and the next wrestling match is Diva A vs Diva B(which coiencedently how i refer to most of them seeing as how there so dull i cant remember there names) i kinda expect to see a wrestling match and not say: an Extreme bra and panties, lingerie, paddle on a pole, pudding filled pool, food fight match. i believe they only think that way because that is what they have been subjected to by vince mcmahon for soooooo long. if he chose to tap the resources of extremely talented women and let them put on good matches i think that may change.
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