El Dandy
Don Corleone
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Post by El Dandy on Dec 1, 2007 0:03:53 GMT -5
It is bad according to who? That's right, the opinion of someone that does not matter. Put that aside and think from a business standpoint.
If it is a clause in the contract, the player/wrestler has every right to use it. Again, do you understand what a contract is?
If you are signed to a contract with a company, and there is a clause that dictates you will not work on weekends, and they have you scheduled to work during the weekends, and you elect not to work because of the clause on your contract, are you being unprofessional?
Of course not. You have every right not to work because your contract dictates that you do not have to work on weekends. If your company fires you for not working during weekends, you aren't going to be upset?
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 1, 2007 0:04:20 GMT -5
Was it "creative control" or "reasonable creative control" that Bret had within his contract? From what I heard it was "reasonable creative control." which is NOT what he was trying to do.
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mrmulluk
Bubba Ho-Tep
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Post by mrmulluk on Dec 1, 2007 0:27:10 GMT -5
Hold on everyone!
I just watched that match again to check it and if you look really closely, you can see that the bell rings and Brett doesn't actually submit.
Was something afoot?
EDIT - No, I'm not trolling. But please. I mean. Please.
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HRH The KING
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by HRH The KING on Dec 1, 2007 1:15:00 GMT -5
See, I think Bret actually DID submit to the power of the "Heartbreaksharpshooter" and this whole "screwjob" thing is a fantasy he invented to cover his shame.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 1, 2007 2:13:28 GMT -5
It is bad according to who? That's right, the opinion of someone that does not matter. Put that aside and think from a business standpoint. If it is a clause in the contract, the player/wrestler has every right to use it. Again, do you understand what a contract is? If you are signed to a contract with a company, and there is a clause that dictates you will not work on weekends, and they have you scheduled to work during the weekends, and you elect not to work because of the clause on your contract, are you being unprofessional? Of course not. You have every right not to work because your contract dictates that you do not have to work on weekends. If your company fires you for not working during weekends, you aren't going to be upset? Exactly.
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Max
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Max on Dec 1, 2007 3:06:32 GMT -5
In this order I put in FAULTYNESS FOR BEING SCREWED! 1. Bret Hart- for reasons stated in the thread... 2. Triple H- In the HBK DVD he says something like they were all trying to figure out what to do and HHH was the first one to speak up and say "f*** Bret Hart!" which convinced vince that he should "screw bret" 3. Vince because he set it up.
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Post by Original Gansta - Charisma on Dec 1, 2007 3:19:11 GMT -5
I still think it was a work.
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davidC();
Trap-Jaw
If natural causes don't kill you, you can bet New Jack will..
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Post by davidC(); on Dec 1, 2007 5:25:48 GMT -5
Personally, I love the structure of Screwjob threads and their age old reliability on what you can expect :
1. Someone says Bret was unprofessional. 2. Someone says McMahon was unprofessional. 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 for a while. 4. Someone says Shawn was an ass. 5. Repeat step 4. 6. Someone says "Not another damn Screwjob thread". 7. Someone says "Noone forced you to look at it!". 8. Repeat all.
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Agent P
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wooo
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Post by Agent P on Dec 1, 2007 6:33:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2007 12:40:15 GMT -5
i dont blame ya ure just putting something up... i blame the forum partly for not letting this go and still argueing about it... i know i dont have to look at it but i still wish to put in my 2 cents that i wish people would let it go... although maybe its because i wasn't watching wrestling at the time that i dont care as much.
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Lt. Palumbo
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Dec 1, 2007 12:46:52 GMT -5
No, a new nation of domination is an awful idea, just because they're all black guys doesn't mean they should be grouped together....
...oh....sorry......that's a different weekly thread
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Dec 1, 2007 14:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Dec 1, 2007 15:05:30 GMT -5
It is bad according to who? That's right, the opinion of someone that does not matter. Put that aside and think from a business standpoint. If it is a clause in the contract, the player/wrestler has every right to use it. Again, do you understand what a contract is? If you are signed to a contract with a company, and there is a clause that dictates you will not work on weekends, and they have you scheduled to work during the weekends, and you elect not to work because of the clause on your contract, are you being unprofessional? Of course not. You have every right not to work because your contract dictates that you do not have to work on weekends. If your company fires you for not working during weekends, you aren't going to be upset? All I'm going to add is if you change the wrestler from Bret Hart to Hulk Hogan everyone's opinion changes for the worse. Just sayin'.
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General Zod
Samurai Cop
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Post by General Zod on Dec 1, 2007 15:07:55 GMT -5
I always thought it was funny every time Vinny Mac says the word 'mirror'. "Bret can look in the mirrah..." HA! Fookin' 'illarious!
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Post by sexualvanilla on Dec 1, 2007 15:11:15 GMT -5
In a way, Shawn screwed Bret. Goldberg used the Superkick on Bret and that ended his career, and thus, Shawn had the last laugh
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Godhand
Team Rocket
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Post by Godhand on Dec 1, 2007 15:11:49 GMT -5
Hmm shouldtn this be in the wrest section? I dont see how at all this relates to current wwe.
The more I read trhough this the more I think that peoples oppinons on "who screwed who" are just based on who you personally mark for.
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Mecca
Wade Wilson
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Post by Mecca on Dec 1, 2007 15:12:39 GMT -5
Ok I don't really give a shit about this or who was right or who was wrong.....
But for anyone who says "Shawn wasn't that bad" they must have not payed attention back in those days. The guy at 1 point became the most difficult guy in the world to deal with. I was a mark for the guy because of his ring work but even I admit backstage you probably wouldn't find a bigger asshole to deal with. And it wasn't just that he wouldn't job to Hart he had a span there for about 2 years where Shawn wasn't jobbing to ANYONE.
And as far as doing the right thing..when Shawn was injured at Mania 14 they basically had to have Taker threaten to whip his ass to get him to drop the title, before that he was still insisting on not losing.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2007 15:39:58 GMT -5
Good God, are we really equating Bret evoking his creative control clause once with the ways that Hogan and Nash used theirs' in WCW, or Shawn's constant threats to ditch Vince and head to Atlanta?
I mean, are we really? That has nothing to do with "workrate", and everything to do with just not wanting to look at reality.
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Godhand
Team Rocket
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Post by Godhand on Dec 1, 2007 15:48:02 GMT -5
Good God, are we really equating Bret evoking his creative control clause once with the ways that Hogan and Nash used theirs' in WCW, or Shawn's constant threats to ditch Vince and head to Atlanta? I mean, are we really? That has nothing to do with "work-rate", and everything to do with just not wanting to look at reality. Some people will never look at the reality of the situation and always see Hart supporters of just having a work rate bias. Some people just wanna be the proverbial anti-smark and wanna say everyone is a hypocrite
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Dec 1, 2007 16:19:35 GMT -5
I kinda wish it didn't happen. Bret was class. He woulda been great in the Attitude Era as a top heel. He coulda done the Mr. McMahon role, tbh.
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