Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart

[Agent P]

Part 1...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1PJIpidbV8


The guy will have part 2 posted eventually, and I put it up when he does.

[Joekishi]

Bret screwed Bret is so true. Still don't get the Canada arguement. Still don't get the HBK arguement. Still don't get the "would drop to anybody but" arguement".

That's bs if he was such a professional he would have dropped the belt.

[FCVDave]

The first 30 seconds are unintentionally hilarious if you were to have no idea what they are talking about.

[nerdinitupagain]

basicboogeynomix said:

Bret screwed Bret is so true. Still don't get the Canada arguement. Still don't get the HBK arguement. Still don't get the "would drop to anybody but" arguement".

That's bs if he was such a professional he would have dropped the belt.

Contractually Bret had creative control over his last 30 days in the company. He didn't like Shawn Michaels. So he refuses to lose to Shawn Michaels.

He had every right to refuse to lose to Shawn, especially given their dislike of each other. And he's stated a million times that he would've liked to drop the belt to someone like Shamrock the next night on Raw to really give someone a huge rub on his way out.

[Near Fantastica]

I look toward a day when I don't have to hear about the screwjob or a day when Bret isn't whining.

[Joekishi]

nerdinitupagain said:

basicboogeynomix said:

Bret screwed Bret is so true. Still don't get the Canada arguement. Still don't get the HBK arguement. Still don't get the "would drop to anybody but" arguement".

That's bs if he was such a professional he would have dropped the belt.

Contractually Bret had creative control over his last 30 days in the company. He didn't like Shawn Michaels. So he refuses to lose to Shawn Michaels.

He had every right to refuse to lose to Shawn, especially given their dislike of each other. And he's stated a million times that he would've liked to drop the belt to someone like Shamrock the next night on Raw to really give someone a huge rub on his way out.

Yeah that doesn't make Bret look any better. Still makes him look like a giant prick. HBK was WWF's biggest heel.

I'm happy the screwjob happened, Bret got Rich, HBK went on Hiatus but gave us Wrestlemania XIV, and Mr. McMahon was born.

Good things happen

[JMA]

nerdinitupagain said:

basicboogeynomix said:

Bret screwed Bret is so true. Still don't get the Canada arguement. Still don't get the HBK arguement. Still don't get the "would drop to anybody but" arguement".

That's bs if he was such a professional he would have dropped the belt.

Contractually Bret had creative control over his last 30 days in the company. He didn't like Shawn Michaels. So he refuses to lose to Shawn Michaels.

He had every right to refuse to lose to Shawn, especially given their dislike of each other. And he's stated a million times that he would've liked to drop the belt to someone like Shamrock the next night on Raw to really give someone a huge rub on his way out.

Indeed. It was actually Vince who acted unprofessionally and out of fear. He was the one who wanted Bret to leave because of the twenty-year contract HE offered Bret. I guess for some people the facts are unimportant in the face of sound bites.

And incidentally, if the WWF only beat WCW because of the Montreal Screw-Job then it doesn't really make them look good, winning because of a real-life event instead of winning because they were better.

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breakfastinbed said:

I look toward a day when I don't have to hear about the screwjob or a day when Bret isn't whining.

Agreed.

At this point, it doesn't matter who was right or wrong. I just just don't give an f'.

[Ace Diamond]

basicboogeynomix said:

nerdinitupagain said:

Contractually Bret had creative control over his last 30 days in the company. He didn't like Shawn Michaels. So he refuses to lose to Shawn Michaels.

He had every right to refuse to lose to Shawn, especially given their dislike of each other. And he's stated a million times that he would've liked to drop the belt to someone like Shamrock the next night on Raw to really give someone a huge rub on his way out.

Yeah that doesn't make Bret look any better. Still makes him look like a giant prick. HBK was WWF's biggest heel.

I'm happy the screwjob happened, Bret got Rich, HBK went on Hiatus but gave us Wrestlemania XIV, and Mr. McMahon was born.

Good things happen

I agree. Granted, nobody involved in the screwjob was right in the end, but if Bret would've acted like the consumate professional he claims to be, none of it would've happened.

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basicboogeynomix said:

nerdinitupagain said:

Contractually Bret had creative control over his last 30 days in the company. He didn't like Shawn Michaels. So he refuses to lose to Shawn Michaels.

He had every right to refuse to lose to Shawn, especially given their dislike of each other. And he's stated a million times that he would've liked to drop the belt to someone like Shamrock the next night on Raw to really give someone a huge rub on his way out.

Bret got Rich.

At the end of the day, Bret can only complain so much. I remember Bad News Brown/ Allen saying that he hated that Bret whines so much about being "screwed" when countless other guys never had a belt to get screwed out of in the first place. Plus, the amount of money he made in WCW for the amount of actual work he did is absolutely obscene.

[Agent P]

I just thought of something. Right before Survivor Series Bret got his WCW contract pushed back to start at December 8 (the day after IYH), so technically it was 31 days after Survivor Series hence Bret wouldn't have reasonable creative control.

[JMA]

aodpilot said:

basicboogeynomix said:

Yeah that doesn't make Bret look any better. Still makes him look like a giant prick. HBK was WWF's biggest heel.

I'm happy the screwjob happened, Bret got Rich, HBK went on Hiatus but gave us Wrestlemania XIV, and Mr. McMahon was born.

Good things happen

I agree. Granted, nobody involved in the screwjob was right in the end, but if Bret would've acted like the consumate professional he claims to be, none of it would've happened.

So Bret's supposed to act like a professional when the guy he's working with was a giant prick who had acted unprofessionally toward him? Why the hell should he do that?

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Bret gets a lot of unnecessary flak. That's all I'll add here.

[Ace Diamond]

jma said:

aodpilot said:

I agree. Granted, nobody involved in the screwjob was right in the end, but if Bret would've acted like the consumate professional he claims to be, none of it would've happened.

So Bret's supposed to act like a professional when the guy he's working with was a giant prick who had acted unprofessionally toward him? Why the hell should he do that?

It's called being the better man, why sink to his level?

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radioclash5150 said:

Bret gets a lot of unnecessary flak. That's all I'll add here.

So does Shawn. Seriously, people act like he was the Antichrist back then. I cannot believe that Shawn was the only person in the history of wrestling to do the things that he did. You'd think he beat up Bret's mom from the way people talk about him.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

irontyger said:

radioclash5150 said:

Bret gets a lot of unnecessary flak. That's all I'll add here.

So does Shawn. Seriously, people act like he was the Antichrist back then. I cannot believe that Shawn was the only person in the history of wrestling to do the things that he did. You'd think he beat up Bret's mom from the way people talk about him.

Hence, why I don't like to pick sides when I hear stories of backstage drama, bullying, and whatnot. I usually cross my fingers and hope they resolve it so it doesn't affect what I see on my television too badly.

[Chris the Bambikiller]

irontyger said:

radioclash5150 said:

Bret gets a lot of unnecessary flak. That's all I'll add here.

So does Shawn.

I don't think it's "unnecessary" in Shawn's case. The dude has been an enormous a-hole, why not say so? He might still be a lying egomaniac. And he might even use his "spirituality" to cover this up. I don't want a person like Shawn to become champion again.

[Just Jay]

I don't know. I thought this happened like a million years ago. I think I'll just leave it at the fact that Vince was taking precautions, and he couldn't risk being professional with the WWF. Shawn isn't and wasn't nearly as bad as people say he is, and Bret whines WAY too much. So that's what I've gathered over the last couple years and much like Vickie Guerrero, I'm movin on.

[The In-Crowd]

It was a WORK

[Joekishi]

jma said:

aodpilot said:

I agree. Granted, nobody involved in the screwjob was right in the end, but if Bret would've acted like the consumate professional he claims to be, none of it would've happened.

So Bret's supposed to act like a professional when the guy he's working with was a giant prick who had acted unprofessionally toward him? Why the hell should he do that?

getting told "get the f" out when it was HBK's time to celebrate at WM XII..

HBK getting pushed over Bret.

It was jealousy.

I don't get why everybody acts like Bret was an angel who put over people no matter who they were. He did the same things as HBK did, it's just HBK was more of an ass.

They were both equally jackasses