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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 4, 2007 23:15:50 GMT -5
He turned down an appearance to induct his own dad into the Hall of Fame, so yeah. well he would have overshadowed him if he showed up and that would have been awkward
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 4, 2007 23:20:07 GMT -5
It'd be hard to be intimidated by him now that he weighs less than Brian Kendrick.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 4, 2007 23:20:28 GMT -5
That's a good point too. We could pretty well mad lib the Rock's appearance and pretend like he is showing up: FINALLLY THE ROCK HAS COME BACK TO ( insert town here)!!! Vince, Austin, Foley, did all you ( insert insult catchphrase) actually think you could hold the fifteenth anniversary of Raw without the great one, The most electrifying man in Raw history?! ( insert something about knowing their role, shutting their mouths etc) If you will listen, they are about to chant the Rock's name ( audiences goes immediately Pavlovian, doing just as their told) And the Rock figures he'd walk down this ramp, take that award for greatest Raw superstar, shine it up real nice.. (insert some variation of him then turning it sideways and cramming that sumbitch up someone's ass, culminating in possible beatdown of someone, people's elbow etc, he then climbs turnbuckle and IF YA SMELLLLLLLL... you know the rest.) There, now just read that sometime before the end of the broadcast, and you'll have the one off Rock appearance. Yeah except he didn't do that the last five appearances he had in the WWE, Go Figure You're telling me he didn't go full on catchphrase his last five appearances? I'll have to take your word for it, as I don't remember his last FIVE appearances, but I call shenanigans.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 4, 2007 23:29:42 GMT -5
In my mind, the Rock paid his due to wrestling. He was one of the driving forces that helped his company survive. He helped make it popular again and, really, has given the most name recognition for a wrestler for non-wrestling fan since Hogan, at least in the US.
Exactly what people are expecting for him to ever pay that off, I don't know. It would seem like they'll never get over the fact that he was a wrestler and used it to become a movie actor, and to me it speaks far less to him being a dick and far more to wrestling fans feeling unjustly entitled to their performers dropping whatever it is they're doing to make short, one-shot appearances wherever the show happens to be.
And that's if this is true, as I'm not really sure how they would get information like it.
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Post by vampyur on Dec 5, 2007 0:10:21 GMT -5
I think what makes me call him a dick, is, and someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
His last live appearance was in a Diva Search segment, and last video appearance was hype for WM23.
If the guy is really done with wrestling and has no desire to go back to it, I say he at least owes it to the fans to retire properly; make a short appearance (even a videotaped segment would suffice), say your farewell and let it be at that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 0:11:53 GMT -5
honestly... he owes us nothing imo... i wouldnt mind to see him retire actually but he entertained us for years and if he doesnt want to return then i say good on him for finding another path that pays better and is less dangerous
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 5, 2007 0:13:52 GMT -5
i wonder what would happen if he was still Rocky Mavia
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 0:15:10 GMT -5
i wonder what would happen if he was still Rocky Mavia he'd have been let go a long time ago
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Post by NIXON on Dec 5, 2007 0:17:20 GMT -5
I think this is all about timing. The guy is trying to build this movie career that seems to involve alot of family oriented movies of late. I think it would be a bad move to associate himself with wrestling right now with all the drug stuff and the congressional stuff and the Benoit stuff. My guess is that if Wrestling was not being portrayed in the negative light that it currently is by the media, then The Rock would be there. At this point though, a mainstream celebrity being seen on a wrestling show is about as cool and socially acceptable as being seen hanging out with O.J. I'm glad though, cause I don't care for the Rock.
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Post by Max on Dec 5, 2007 0:20:53 GMT -5
YOU SOLD OUT.
they should take him out of eWr completely, he wont sign anywhere even as a non wrestler for a 300,000 appearance fee.
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Post by vampyur on Dec 5, 2007 0:31:01 GMT -5
YOU SOLD OUT. they should take him out of eWr completely, he wont sign anywhere even as a non wrestler for a 300,000 appearance fee. Really? I'm running off the Nov. roster update and have him working for $175,000 a month in TNA as a Non-Wrestler; although I've been able to book him in matches at PPVs.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 5, 2007 0:42:18 GMT -5
And this is where everyone talks about how they "lost all respect" for the Rock. Then a little later the Rock will say something positive about wrestling and everyone will reply saying that they "gained a whole lot of respect" for the Rock. Just like when Mr. Kennedy would say stuff, then we found out he was a hypocrite. Well, count me out of that bunch. As I never had all that much love for the guy to begin with. Not that I hate him or anything, but this somehow does not surprise me.
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Post by DAGOTRON LIVES! on Dec 5, 2007 1:03:52 GMT -5
The Rock provided me with some of the best television moments I can remember from my teenage years. As far as I'm concerned, he owes me nothing.
I'd also like to note that I prefer keeping those memories intact rather than seeing him cheapen his legacy right now just to come out and do a paint-by-numbers Rock promo.
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Dec 5, 2007 1:34:54 GMT -5
Good. I hope he never comes back personally. No argument from this panel. The Rock is one of the most overrated wrestlers in history and his whole gimmick was just him saying stupid catchphrases all the time. Basically he was the prototype for Mr. Kennedy.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 5, 2007 1:47:15 GMT -5
He had a 7-8 year run in WWE. He did a great job and his contract ran out. He owes WWE nothing and WWE owes him likewise.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Dec 5, 2007 1:48:18 GMT -5
To be honest, I respect guys like the Rock and Bret Hart who don't come back, even though they COULD.
Why?
A number of reasons really. I understand that, for instance, in Bret's case, he couldn't wrestle, but you know if WWE could convince him to come back in any sort of non-wrestling angle/role, they would do it in a heart beat. Bret doesn't come back because he doesn't need to, and because he understands that it would only cheapen his legacy.
Perhaps part of it, in Rock's case, is simply wanting to distance himself from wrestling's negative conations. However, I also do believe that Rock knows coming back over and over again for one-off appearances would only cheapen his legacy.
You know what? He's right.
So I'd rather Rock stay gone until his HOF induction. Then he can come back, give a great speech, and say goodbye at Wrestlemania, similar to what Bret did.
Let the stars of today create their own legacies and let the legends keep theirs from being tainted.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 5, 2007 1:51:23 GMT -5
I do think that the Rock owes a debt to wrestling because it is what made him famous and I'm slightly disappointed that he won't show at a landmark show. But I don't think it makes him a dick or anything like that. Dwayne Johnson no longer works for WWE.The Rock owes no debt to wrestling. For all the bitching and complaining about Terry Funk and Mick Foley's fake retirements and how Flair should retire,we have someone who has a real,genuine retirement and theres bitching.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 5, 2007 1:59:52 GMT -5
To be honest, I respect guys like the Rock and Bret Hart who don't come back, even though they COULD. Why? A number of reasons really. I understand that, for instance, in Bret's case, he couldn't wrestle, but you know if WWE could convince him to come back in any sort of non-wrestling angle/role, they would do it in a heart beat. Bret doesn't come back because he doesn't need to, and because he understands that it would only cheapen his legacy. Perhaps part of it, in Rock's case, is simply wanting to distance himself from wrestling's negative connotions. However, I also do believe that Rock knows coming back over and over again for one-off appearances would only cheapen his legacy. You know what? He's right. So I'd rather Rock stay gone until his HOF induction. Then he can come back, give a great speech, and say goodbye at Wrestlemania, similar to what Bret did. Let the stars of today create their own legacies and let the legends keep theirs from being tainted. Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view.
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Post by tennesseetitan on Dec 5, 2007 2:09:32 GMT -5
Anyone got a LINK? Where'd Rajah and whoever the f*** else get this info from?
Anyway, if The Rock doesn't show up, yeah, he's a dick.
He owes his movie career to the career he built in wrestling, I mean, why the f*** is he still advertised as ''The Rock'' in every movie he's in? He should at least humble us with a couple pop-in's, not a damn one of us wouldn't mark out if he showed up.
I'm excited to see the Anniversary show but a huge part of it is on the hope of a Rock appearence.
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Post by bigHEADinc on Dec 5, 2007 2:14:30 GMT -5
To be honest, I respect guys like the Rock and Bret Hart who don't come back, even though they COULD. Why? A number of reasons really. I understand that, for instance, in Bret's case, he couldn't wrestle, but you know if WWE could convince him to come back in any sort of non-wrestling angle/role, they would do it in a heart beat. Bret doesn't come back because he doesn't need to, and because he understands that it would only cheapen his legacy. Perhaps part of it, in Rock's case, is simply wanting to distance himself from wrestling's negative connotions. However, I also do believe that Rock knows coming back over and over again for one-off appearances would only cheapen his legacy. You know what? He's right. So I'd rather Rock stay gone until his HOF induction. Then he can come back, give a great speech, and say goodbye at Wrestlemania, similar to what Bret did. Let the stars of today create their own legacies and let the legends keep theirs from being tainted. Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view. The few times he came back were all favors for Vince... The Diva Search segment isn't working so well? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Eugene isn't getting over or is as sympathetic as he should be? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Vince needs a little more heat behind his "legendary" encounter with Donald Trump? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!! I know that I'm the biggest Rock mark here, and that may taint my opinions, but people overreact so much whenever The Rock doesn't want to do something wrestling related. It's like moaning about the fact that Jennifer Aniston left the TV world behind for the world of movies... "SHE OWES US ANOTHER SERIES! TV MADE HER A STAR! SHE SHOULD REMEMBER WHO MADE HER A STAR!" See how lame that sounds? The thing is, while there are TV fans who would love to see Jennifer Aniston in another sitcom, I've never seen them freak out that Jennifer Aniston turned down some TV role because she was too busy with some movie. This, as opposed to wrestling with the guy is a traitor, a dick, an asshole, a hypocrite, and should just go f*** himself if he forgets where he came from. For all of you wanting his head for declining, I present this...
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