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Post by Red Impact on Dec 5, 2007 2:18:48 GMT -5
Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view. Those connotations aren't exactly premature death and murder, so to compare them is a little off-base. For the latter part, there's no "win" situation for able-bodied performers. Fans will never really be happy because fans feel entitled. Really, unless it's a career ending injury, popular performers will always be perceived as owing something, no matter what they did for the business, if they leave while they're still in tact. They're perceived as sell outs if they dare to have a life after wrestling and if they don't' have a life, they'll be criticized for lingering past their prime.
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Post by Ijob2HHH on Dec 5, 2007 2:27:01 GMT -5
Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view. The few times he came back were all favors for Vince... The Diva Search segment isn't working so well? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Eugene isn't getting over or is as sympathetic as he should be? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Vince needs a little more heat behind his "legendary" encounter with Donald Trump? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!! I know that I'm the biggest Rock mark here, and that may taint my opinions, but people overreact so much whenever The Rock doesn't want to do something wrestling related. It's like moaning about the fact that Jennifer Aniston left the TV world behind for the world of movies... "SHE OWES US ANOTHER SERIES! TV MADE HER A STAR! SHE SHOULD REMEMBER WHO MADE HER A STAR!" See how lame that sounds? The thing is, while there are TV fans who would love to see Jennifer Aniston in another sitcom, I've never seen them freak out that Jennifer Aniston turned down some TV role because she was too busy with some movie. This, as opposed to wrestling with the guy is a traitor, a dick, an asshole, a hypocrite, and should just go f*** himself if he forgets where he came from. For all of you wanting his head for declining, I present this... While I can agree to this, I would like to point out from a PR point of view that this is a bad idea. I could understand him wanting to avoid wrestling before to avoid the 'action only' type cast, but he's had several roles now of quite the variety. Showing up at this show, which still gets really good ratings and a rediculous viership (they aren't the same thing and I hate how people think they are), appearing on the show, especially live would put him out in the public eye a little more. Think about it. Why do stars go to movie priemeirs for other star's movies? TO BE SEEN. Raw provides how many eyes? Heck, the people seeing him in the crowd alone are usually a lot more than what is seen at a premier and the televised audience is more than people watching E. For those who might say 'But no one important watches raw'. Then why do they show someone in the front row at least three times a month? The reason those people are there isn't what's important, but the fact they ANNOUNCE that they're there. Don't kid yourselves and think that the WWE does that alone. That person's publicists calls the WWE ahead of time, and likely gets free tickets and schedualed face time. It's all about making the appearance.
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Post by default on Dec 5, 2007 2:27:36 GMT -5
I really hope we're being swerved "for our own good" on the Rock not being there. I really hope, at the least, he sends in a video.
But yeah, I gotta agree that the Rock doesn't owe a single one of us a damn thing. I mean, I don't see people complaining about the arrogance of Bruno Sammartino for not accepting a Hall of Fame nomination. I don't see people moaning and groaning about how Stacy Keibler left to go act.
I do hear people complaining about how Mick Foley is soiling his legacy by returning (which I don't believe), or how Funk has done it, how Flair is doing it... Hogan has/is doing it...
He doesn't owe us, as fans, anything. The Rock busted his ass and entertained us on a hellacious schedule for years and gave us more entertainment in less than a decade than most would/could dream about in a lifetime. He certainly doesn't owe Vince anything. His contract expired a long time ago and Vince got his fair share of money and publicity from him.
And wrestler's popping in just eats up other regular talent's air time. People have complained over Stone Cold doing it, they've complained over Hogan doing it. And as for even wrestling on occassion... if he wins, so what? He's gone. If he loses and "puts someone over" so what, he's gone. The Rock did his part. He put over guys like Booker and Hurricane on his way out.
I think people are confusing the WWE's current state with The Rock's supposed "holier than thou" attitude. If WWE could book a little better, we wouldn't be missing The Rock as much.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Dec 5, 2007 3:06:09 GMT -5
Any of you think Hogan would have come back to the ring if he really made it big in Hollywood? Hell no.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 5, 2007 3:09:36 GMT -5
Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view. The few times he came back were all favors for Vince... The Diva Search segment isn't working so well? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Eugene isn't getting over or is as sympathetic as he should be? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Vince needs a little more heat behind his "legendary" encounter with Donald Trump? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!! I know that I'm the biggest Rock mark here, and that may taint my opinions, but people overreact so much whenever The Rock doesn't want to do something wrestling related. It's like moaning about the fact that Jennifer Aniston left the TV world behind for the world of movies... "SHE OWES US ANOTHER SERIES! TV MADE HER A STAR! SHE SHOULD REMEMBER WHO MADE HER A STAR!" See how lame that sounds? The thing is, while there are TV fans who would love to see Jennifer Aniston in another sitcom, I've never seen them freak out that Jennifer Aniston turned down some TV role because she was too busy with some movie. This, as opposed to wrestling with the guy is a traitor, a dick, an asshole, a hypocrite, and should just go f*** himself if he forgets where he came from. For all of you wanting his head for declining, I present this... The Aniston thing doesn't really make sense. TV didn't make her a star on her own, Friends did. So if there was a Friends reunion down the road that she didn't want to take part in, then she would be a traitor (your word, not mine).
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 5, 2007 4:50:46 GMT -5
Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view. Those connotations aren't exactly premature death and murder, so to compare them is a little off-base. The point I was trying to make was just that even though there was nothing as catastrophic in wrestling as the events of this past June when The Rock was on the active roster, there still were huge amounts of untimely deaths and general negative attitudes towards the wrestling business as a whole while he was there. This of course was added to the already "risque" product, which was being under scrutiny anyway after some 11 year old kid killed a little girl imitating the WWE. Seems like an ok comparison in some semblance to me. Think back to the early 2000's when people like Curt Hennig, Hawk, Elizabeth Hulett, Mike Lockwood and Bulldog were dying amidst a whirlwind of drug-related controversies during this period, and he made returns then. Why would he be breaking his neck so much now to avoid the bad press for the WWE? Maybe some may say those weren't as severe, but they still have a huge impact on the perception people have of the business. Wrestlers dying left and right at a young age seemed to be commonplace at that time. I just think no matter how many kid-friendly movies he does, everybody in the media will still know that he is or at one time was associated with WWE.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Dec 5, 2007 4:59:39 GMT -5
If I were him, I'd try and disassociate myself from wrestling... it needs him, he doesn't need it.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 6:47:14 GMT -5
SOURCE: rajah.com/base/node/10195I've always been a huge Rock fan, but I really have to admit the guy is a major dick. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he promissed the fans more than once, that he'd make one more WWE appearance? I guess Disney Channel pays more than Vince or Vince's invite didn't involve Rock in drag. He may have promised, but it didn't say anywhere that it was going to be on Raw 12/10/07. It could be at Wrestlemania or on some random Raw in March of next year. And I'm sure this will get no-sold, but I'll say it anyways, The Rock doesn't owe anyone anything, he's no longer a contracted talent for WWE. Plus, it didn't say on TV that he was scheduled to be at Raw next week.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Dec 5, 2007 6:48:14 GMT -5
Anyone got a LINK? Where'd Rajah and whoever the smurf else get this info from? Anyway, if The Rock doesn't show up, yeah, he's a dick. He owes his movie career to the career he built in wrestling, I mean, why the smurf is he still advertised as ''The Rock'' in every movie he's in? He should at least humble us with a couple pop-in's, not a damn one of us wouldn't mark out if he showed up. I'm excited to see the Anniversary show but a huge part of it is on the hope of a Rock appearence. Wrestlingobserver.com is the source. Its under the byline.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 5, 2007 8:14:55 GMT -5
Even though I'd love to see Rock back, I totally understand him not wanting too. The Wrestling Industry is like poison at the moment, it's best to keep your distance if you are successful elsewhere.
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Post by JerichoRose on Dec 5, 2007 8:18:53 GMT -5
Hey, makes me a happy camper. I don't have to listen to him yell lame catch phrases at me until I feel like turning the channel.
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Post by krill on Dec 5, 2007 8:59:19 GMT -5
meh, whatever, if he wants to carry on making straight to dvd B-movies, then good luck to him.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 9:00:57 GMT -5
meh, whatever, if he wants to carry on making B-rate straight to dvd movies, then good luck to him. Some of those movies did quite well, and were not straight to DVD to my knowledge. I get that you're upset he's not in wrestling anymore, but you have to understand he's under no obligation to do so and the money is a lot better than being in a wrestling ring and risking injury.
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Post by krill on Dec 5, 2007 9:04:15 GMT -5
lol, I think you misunderstood, I am not upset, just indifferent. I have never been much of a fan of The Rock. While some of his movies have done well (ok, maybe just The Mummy Returns and the Scorpion King) most have been very underwhelming for a person with such a big profile as his.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 9:05:30 GMT -5
lol, I think you misunderstood, I am not upset, just indifferent. I have never been much of a fan of The Rock. While some of his movies have done well (ok, maybe just The Mummy and the Scorpion King) most have been very underwhelming for a person with such a big profile as his. That's fine, but even if the moves were underwhelming to some, he's still making a lot more than he would have if he stayed in wrestling. If I had a choice of risking injury night in and night out and making movies where I'd get more money for, I'd take doing movies anyday.
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Post by Desi on Dec 5, 2007 9:09:17 GMT -5
Good for him (IF this is true). I was never his biggest fan to begin with.
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Post by krill on Dec 5, 2007 9:09:25 GMT -5
Hell, so would I.
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Post by Kae on Dec 5, 2007 9:20:56 GMT -5
I think it's a shame he's not going to be there. It would have been a classy move for him to acknowledge his history, but he obviously doesn't have to do so and he may have prior commitments. So, hopefully, he'll leave a message on the tron.
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Post by amsiraK on Dec 5, 2007 9:30:00 GMT -5
He turned down an appearance to induct his own dad into the Hall of Fame, so yeah. Yeah, that's a little dick-y. BUT I want to remind people of Vince's usual operating procedure. Inducting Rocky Johnson may have been the carrot to temp him, bu you and I know he'd have been saddled with some crappy run of jobbing to the Flav-o-the-Week.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 5, 2007 9:46:51 GMT -5
At this point though, a mainstream celebrity being seen on a wrestling show is about as cool and socially acceptable as being seen hanging out with O.J. I total spite up my cola when I saw this. O.J. and pro wrestling the star killers, now if we could only Jim Carrey to attend an episode of Smackdown. LMAO
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