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Post by dh03grad on Dec 5, 2007 13:41:35 GMT -5
He was smart enough to know that Vince wasnt putting his dad in the hall of fame based on his dad's career. He just wanted Rocky Johnson in the hall of fame for a Rock appearance. Notice Rocky ended up not being inducted after the Rock declined to appear. Maybe they didn't want to have anyone else induct him because it would make The Rock look bad to not induct his dad or not even show up to the event? But it would be Rocky Johnson's day correct? If they really wanted him to be in the hall, they could have had Pat Patterson induct him and call it a day.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 13:42:47 GMT -5
Maybe they didn't want to have anyone else induct him because it would make The Rock look bad to not induct his dad or not even show up to the event? But it would be Rocky Johnson's day correct? If they really wanted him to be in the hall, they could have had Pat Patterson induct him and call it a day. Agreed, if SD Jones could induct Tony Atlas, then they could easily have him induct Rocky.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 5, 2007 13:42:48 GMT -5
None of this surprises me. It is no secret that the Rock is trying to distance himself from wrestling as much as he can. The sad thing is, once is movie career dwindles down, you'll see him coming back to wrestling, just like others have before him. There is an old saying, "don't forget where you came from". He'll be worth well over 100 million dollars by then. He'll return to WWE on his own terms and conditions.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 5, 2007 13:58:01 GMT -5
Then how come there's a banner at the top of this page with The Rock advertised for the Anniversary show? Banners don't lie. It doesn't say the Rock is advertised for that show, just has a pic of him that's all. If the new Batman movie had a pic of Christian Bale on the poster, but when you went to the movie, Andy Dick was playing Batman, would you think that was false advertising?
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 5, 2007 14:00:46 GMT -5
Maybe they didn't want to have anyone else induct him because it would make The Rock look bad to not induct his dad or not even show up to the event? But it would be Rocky Johnson's day correct? If they really wanted him to be in the hall, they could have had Pat Patterson induct him and call it a day. And then all anyone would have talked about was the fact that his own son didn't even show up and it would've ruined "Rocky's day." There's a lot more to it than that.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 5, 2007 14:10:28 GMT -5
But it would be Rocky Johnson's day correct? If they really wanted him to be in the hall, they could have had Pat Patterson induct him and call it a day. And then all anyone would have talked about was the fact that his own son didn't even show up and it would've ruined "Rocky's day." There's a lot more to it than that. Im sure he would have showed up...he didnt have to be a part of the show and induct him though. Theres plenty of hall of famers that didnt have their kids induct them.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 5, 2007 14:12:05 GMT -5
I'm happy that he's happy with his new career and moved on rather than being a bitter old man who keeps showing up looking for "one last pop". Kudos, Rocky.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 14:18:04 GMT -5
It doesn't say the Rock is advertised for that show, just has a pic of him that's all. If the new Batman movie had a pic of Christian Bale on the poster, but when you went to the movie, Andy Dick was playing Batman, would you think that was false advertising? If it was for Batman, yes. But it's WWE where a lot of wrestlers made an impact for that show over the years, in the commercial for Monday's Raw, they showed many graphics/sound bytes including Rock's. Didn't mean he was going to be on it. Maybe as a surprise, but if WWE didn't come out and say so, I wouldn't hold my breath on an online banner.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 5, 2007 14:20:19 GMT -5
Has he been in any decent films yet ?
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 5, 2007 14:24:55 GMT -5
Has he been in any decent films yet ? Lots of people like The Rundown.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Dec 5, 2007 15:00:21 GMT -5
The few times he came back were all favors for Vince... The Diva Search segment isn't working so well? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Eugene isn't getting over or is as sympathetic as he should be? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Vince needs a little more heat behind his "legendary" encounter with Donald Trump? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!! I know that I'm the biggest Rock mark here, and that may taint my opinions, but people overreact so much whenever The Rock doesn't want to do something wrestling related. It's like moaning about the fact that Jennifer Aniston left the TV world behind for the world of movies... "SHE OWES US ANOTHER SERIES! TV MADE HER A STAR! SHE SHOULD REMEMBER WHO MADE HER A STAR!" See how lame that sounds? The thing is, while there are TV fans who would love to see Jennifer Aniston in another sitcom, I've never seen them freak out that Jennifer Aniston turned down some TV role because she was too busy with some movie. This, as opposed to wrestling with the guy is a traitor, a dick, an asshole, a hypocrite, and should just go f*** himself if he forgets where he came from. For all of you wanting his head for declining, I present this... [/quote] That Jennifer Aniston comparison has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read here at the crap. And I've read Rajah threads. No offense to the poster, but it is. I'm gonna reply to this in bullet points because it's a bit easier for me. -Tickets to television shows are free. Network television is free. Therefore, we don't pay the actors salaries. Advertising does. If Jennifer Aniston were to turn down a TV show because she was doing a movie, she wouldn't be pissing on the fans(because we don't pay money to see her), she'd be pissing on the studio and the network. Because that's who really made her famous. -Tickets to wrestling shows are not free. The promotion gets a nice cut of our ticket money and that goes in part to pay the wrestler's salaries. If the Rock were to turn down a 10 minute spot because he's trying to distance himself from what and who MADE HIS ASS, then yes, he is pissing on them. Personally, I don't care one way or the other if he shows up in any way, shape or form. -The Rock is not a dick. He's a sellout. He's completely ignoring where he came from and who made him. He's ignoring the people that paid their hard earned money to see him pull the string on his back and say 11 different things. If he can't come back, if just once for a few minutes, and say thank you, then he's a sellout. Not wanting to induct his own FATHER in the HOF makes him a dick. -Lastly, who in the HELL wants to see another Jennifer Aniston series?!
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 5, 2007 15:03:55 GMT -5
Good. I hope he never comes back personally. QFT
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 15:36:44 GMT -5
-The Rock is not a dick. He's a sellout. He's completely ignoring where he came from and who made him. He's ignoring the people that paid their hard earned money to see him pull the string on his back and say 11 different things. If he can't come back, if just once for a few minutes, and say thank you, then he's a sellout. Not wanting to induct his own FATHER in the HOF makes him a dick. Where does it say that he has to come back? Can't people just respect his decision and leave it at that?
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Post by Desi on Dec 5, 2007 15:45:17 GMT -5
-The Rock is not a dick. He's a sellout. He's completely ignoring where he came from and who made him. He's ignoring the people that paid their hard earned money to see him pull the string on his back and say 11 different things. If he can't come back, if just once for a few minutes, and say thank you, then he's a sellout. Not wanting to induct his own FATHER in the HOF makes him a dick. Where does it say that he has to come back? Can't people just respect his decision and leave it at that? Not all fans react the same way. I can definitely see where both sides are coming from. Me, I could give less than a crap whether or not Rock ever shows his face on WWE TV again but there are those who feel that Rock does owe his fans something, even if they respect the fact that he doesn't need the business anymore. It's just a matter of gesture on Rock's part.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 15:47:04 GMT -5
Where does it say that he has to come back? Can't people just respect his decision and leave it at that? Not all fans react the same way. I can definitely see where both sides are coming from. Me, I could give less than a crap whether or not Rock ever shows his face on WWE TV again but there are those who feel that Rock does owe his fans something, even if they respect the fact that he doesn't need the business anymore. It's just a matter of gesture on Rock's part. It's fine, but in the end it's what the Rock decides and if he does not want to come back that is his decision. He is under no obligation whatsoever to make any appearances if he does not want to, he's not contracted or advertised, and seems just fine making movies. I just don't take it as seriously as others I guess.
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Post by Desi on Dec 5, 2007 16:08:14 GMT -5
Not all fans react the same way. I can definitely see where both sides are coming from. Me, I could give less than a crap whether or not Rock ever shows his face on WWE TV again but there are those who feel that Rock does owe his fans something, even if they respect the fact that he doesn't need the business anymore. It's just a matter of gesture on Rock's part. It's fine, but in the end it's what the Rock decides and if he does not want to come back that is his decision. He is under no obligation whatsoever to make any appearances if he does not want to, he's not contracted or advertised, and seems just fine making movies. I just don't take it as seriously as others I guess. I feel the same way but that's because I was never a big fan of his in the first place. Obviously, he's under no obligation to the company to show up but there will always be fans who feel that Rock is obligated to them. My only big issue is that if Rock continues this way whether that respect people have will turn into resentment. Remember on the 10th anniversary show where the fans booed the crap out of him while he was cutting a (babyface) promo?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 16:12:16 GMT -5
It's fine, but in the end it's what the Rock decides and if he does not want to come back that is his decision. He is under no obligation whatsoever to make any appearances if he does not want to, he's not contracted or advertised, and seems just fine making movies. I just don't take it as seriously as others I guess. I feel the same way but that's because I was never a big fan of his in the first place. Obviously, he's under no obligation to the company to show up but there will always be fans who feel that Rock is obligated to them. My only big issue is that if Rock continues this way whether that respect people have will turn into resentment. Remember on the 10th anniversary show where the fans booed the crap out of him while he was cutting a (babyface) promo? I'm sure there are fans who feel that way, I'm just trying to figure out why? Would you have the guy wrestle till he drops dead or something? And even if the fans did resent him it wouldn't matter as he doesn't need wrestling anymore and besides it's not like his name gets brought up every week, so it wouldn't matter. Judging by the reaction he got earlier this year, I don't think it's a large number.
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Post by OldGravyLeg on Dec 5, 2007 16:35:32 GMT -5
It might be the case that he just can't fit it into his schedule.
Actors tend to be very busy when they're filming movies.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 16:41:56 GMT -5
I feel the same way but that's because I was never a big fan of his in the first place. Obviously, he's under no obligation to the company to show up but there will always be fans who feel that Rock is obligated to them. My only big issue is that if Rock continues this way whether that respect people have will turn into resentment. Remember on the 10th anniversary show where the fans booed the crap out of him while he was cutting a (babyface) promo? Actually, I would argue that it was more of a heel promo, although I admitedly have not seen it since the original broadcast. I think it was and he said when the Rock returns he'll be a lot different or something like that and might've even mentioned the boos he got at Summerslam 02, not 100% sure on that one though.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 5, 2007 16:42:54 GMT -5
The few times he came back were all favors for Vince... The Diva Search segment isn't working so well? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Eugene isn't getting over or is as sympathetic as he should be? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Vince needs a little more heat behind his "legendary" encounter with Donald Trump? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!! I know that I'm the biggest Rock mark here, and that may taint my opinions, but people overreact so much whenever The Rock doesn't want to do something wrestling related. It's like moaning about the fact that Jennifer Aniston left the TV world behind for the world of movies... "SHE OWES US ANOTHER SERIES! TV MADE HER A STAR! SHE SHOULD REMEMBER WHO MADE HER A STAR!" See how lame that sounds? The thing is, while there are TV fans who would love to see Jennifer Aniston in another sitcom, I've never seen them freak out that Jennifer Aniston turned down some TV role because she was too busy with some movie. This, as opposed to wrestling with the guy is a traitor, a dick, an asshole, a hypocrite, and should just go f*** himself if he forgets where he came from. For all of you wanting his head for declining, I present this... That Jennifer Aniston comparison has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read here at the crap. And I've read Rajah threads. No offense to the poster, but it is. I'm gonna reply to this in bullet points because it's a bit easier for me. -Tickets to television shows are free. Network television is free. Therefore, we don't pay the actors salaries. Advertising does. If Jennifer Aniston were to turn down a TV show because she was doing a movie, she wouldn't be pissing on the fans(because we don't pay money to see her), she'd be pissing on the studio and the network. Because that's who really made her famous. -Tickets to wrestling shows are not free. The promotion gets a nice cut of our ticket money and that goes in part to pay the wrestler's salaries. If the Rock were to turn down a 10 minute spot because he's trying to distance himself from what and who MADE HIS ASS, then yes, he is pissing on them. Personally, I don't care one way or the other if he shows up in any way, shape or form. -The Rock is not a dick. He's a sellout. He's completely ignoring where he came from and who made him. He's ignoring the people that paid their hard earned money to see him pull the string on his back and say 11 different things. If he can't come back, if just once for a few minutes, and say thank you, then he's a sellout. Not wanting to induct his own FATHER in the HOF makes him a dick. -Lastly, who in the HELL wants to see another Jennifer Aniston series?! As you so eloquently (and loudly stated), the last few times the Rock has appeared have been favors to Vince...the one that stands out in particular is when Stone Cold no showed, and Rock made an emergency appearance, which was the first of many Rocky saves that Vince paid good money for. Therefore, I don't think that your argument of him pissing on everyone because it "MADE HIS ASS" makes a lot of sense. Rock put a good 6-7 years into the business, and chose to pursue ventures elsewhere. I don't understand the logic that after 6 years of excellent entertainment, he owes us anything to return for a one off spot, particularly when he's made unscheduled appearances because he believes in the business and the fans enough to break plans and show up when needed. He's retired, he plans to stay that way for the foreseeable future. Yes, he is a sellout...but hey, I think it speaks for itself when you see how hard he worked in the business to accomplish what he did, and then have an opportunity to move toward something else. Insofar as him being a sellout, you do realize that Vince has to shell out a pretty good chunk of change for the Rock to make appearances, right? If I recall one of Meltzer's columns from a couple years ago, he's on Hogan-esque ground when it comes to one off appearances. If you're so seriously worried how the gate money is divided up between the wrestlers, keep in mind that it can be contstrued that because of the high price to bring in the Rock, there's a good chance that he could be taking money AWAY from the active roster. Those guys are the ones in the ring day in and day out now, and they should be getting paid for it. The Rock is a high priced commodity that gets paid as well now as he ever did for his appearances, and had a higher salary and payday with WWE when he was active. Somehow, this to be a seems bass ackwards financial plan. Finally, we don't KNOW that he didn't care to induct his father into the HOF. It's alleged, and until we hear it from Vince or Rocky's mouth, we'll never know anything different. Somehow, I don't think that Rocky Johnson had any real problem with it at this point, or Rock would've made the appearance. Also, calm down, man. It's just a discussion, there's no reason to be yelling at people.
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