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Post by PTBartman on Nov 18, 2007 12:23:03 GMT -5
Vince almost got his ass kicked by the Undertaker and Foley temporarily quit the company that night. Was that part of the "work" too? As I remember hearing in the past, sometimes the boys would get worked as well. Not saying this is true or not, but it's not the first time. A work with a side of ribs?
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Post by PTBartman on Nov 18, 2007 12:27:37 GMT -5
Honestly I would love nothing more than to see Bret Hart return this sunday as a guest referee for HBK/Orton and he just allows Orton to do ANYTHING without dq'ing him. Then at the end HBK puts him in the sharpshooter and Bret Hart calls for the bell, and HBK and Bret Hart hug and laugh. I would HATE the industry but i would LOVE it at the same time. I mean, if it did happen then we've been worked for 10 years now! That would be pretty awesome. ***NEWSBREAK***NEWSBREAK***NEWSBREAK***NEWSBREAK***NEWSBREAK***NEWSBREAK Rioting broke out tonight in downtown Miami and quickly spread nation wide and up into Canada. In related news the internets melted down. Film at 11. [/newsbreak]
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Post by cartern923 on Nov 18, 2007 12:28:50 GMT -5
I thought for awhile that maybe Bret and Vince had this ultimate...lets screw WCW plan...but I know it was a shoot.
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Post by Throwback on Nov 18, 2007 12:42:07 GMT -5
I heard from someone very close to bret that it was a work.
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Post by no2humanorchid on Nov 18, 2007 13:17:25 GMT -5
Very interesting
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 18, 2007 13:27:15 GMT -5
Bret Hart would have been back in some form if it was a work.
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Post by Throwback on Nov 18, 2007 13:35:37 GMT -5
Bret Hart would have been back in some form if it was a work. why? it was designed to sell the wrestling with shadows documentary. didn't you find the timing of the camera following him to be a little to convenient?
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Post by The OP on Nov 18, 2007 13:39:09 GMT -5
Bret Hart would have been back in some form if it was a work. He has. He came back to do the hall of fame and work on a DVD. I don't know if it was a work or not, but there is definitely some evidence to suggest it was. I don't think it's stupid to believe one way or the other, though some seem to get really mad at the idea that it might've been a work.
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 18, 2007 13:41:16 GMT -5
Bret Hart would have been back in some form if it was a work. why? it was designed to sell the wrestling with shadows documentary. didn't you find the timing of the camera following him to be a little to convenient? That documentary started a long time before his contract negotiations with WCW began.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Nov 18, 2007 13:44:09 GMT -5
Yeah. I think it was an elaborate work.
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Post by Throwback on Nov 18, 2007 14:14:20 GMT -5
why? it was designed to sell the wrestling with shadows documentary. didn't you find the timing of the camera following him to be a little to convenient? That documentary started a long time before his contract negotiations with WCW began. and once again. the timing is just to damn perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2007 14:20:55 GMT -5
That documentary started a long time before his contract negotiations with WCW began. and once again. the timing is just to damn perfect. Yep. I mean, imagine if the whole of the documentary was about Bret still being in the WWF, and basically doing nothing exciting? It would've been a very poor release and nobody would have even understood why it was made in the first place. But with Wrestling With Shadows, we had Bret negotiating to go to WCW and then Montreal. Made for a great documentary, conveniently.
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Post by Throwback on Nov 18, 2007 14:45:21 GMT -5
and once again. the timing is just to damn perfect. Yep. I mean, imagine if the whole of the documentary was about Bret still being in the WWF, and basically doing nothing exciting? It would've been a very poor release and nobody would have even understood why it was made in the first place. But with Wrestling With Shadows, we had Bret negotiating to go to WCW and then Montreal. Made for a great documentary, conveniently. another "convenient" piece of film Vince has locked himself in his office. BUT WAIT!!!!! Bret finds a way in because the office has two doors and Vince "conveniently forgets to lock the other door
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Post by The Panda Powered on Nov 18, 2007 14:55:32 GMT -5
I've just had a weird thought about this, I'm convinced it was real, however, maybe it started out as a work in the style of Brian Pillman leaving WCW to go to ECW, with the intention of rejoining WCW in the long run.
However, it didn't go down that way, and neither did the Bret Hart version.
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Post by randomranter on Nov 18, 2007 15:51:39 GMT -5
and once again. the timing is just to damn perfect. Yep. I mean, imagine if the whole of the documentary was about Bret still being in the WWF, and basically doing nothing exciting? It would've been a very poor release and nobody would have even understood why it was made in the first place. But with Wrestling With Shadows, we had Bret negotiating to go to WCW and then Montreal. Made for a great documentary, conveniently. As I had said in an earlier post, I believe that the original plan was a typical A&E Biography-style program. If you had ever watched the ones they did on Andre, Hogan, etc., you'd know that they're not particularly exciting. Bret had been negotiating with WCW on and off for, what, months? A year? Something like that. Showing a more in-depth look at the business end of the business would probably be right up A&E's alley, given the tone and style of the documentaries they like to produce. Bret might have been picked *because* he was in negotiations -- something the general public doesn't get to see, and something A&E likes to deliver. Further, companies typically film several hours of footage, 99.5% of which ends up on the cutting room floor. They'll film 100 hours of seemingly irrelevant footage for a 60 minute documentary. They want to make sure they get the most interesting footage possible, and will cut one piece of film if they happen to stumble upon something more interesting later. I'm not saying this is what happened, but I can very easily see them intending to film one thing, only to end up being at the right place at the right time and ending up with a far more compelling story.
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 18, 2007 16:01:26 GMT -5
Yep. I mean, imagine if the whole of the documentary was about Bret still being in the WWF, and basically doing nothing exciting? It would've been a very poor release and nobody would have even understood why it was made in the first place. But with Wrestling With Shadows, we had Bret negotiating to go to WCW and then Montreal. Made for a great documentary, conveniently. another "convenient" piece of film Vince has locked himself in his office. BUT WAIT!!!!! Bret finds a way in because the office has two doors and Vince "conveniently forgets to lock the other door When did Bret "conveniently" do that?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 18, 2007 16:05:30 GMT -5
I've just had a weird thought about this, I'm convinced it was real, however, maybe it started out as a work in the style of Brian Pillman leaving WCW to go to ECW, with the intention of rejoining WCW in the long run. However, it didn't go down that way, and neither did the Bret Hart version. That is a very real possibility. Add in Bret's injury, and it could well have been that they planned on Bret returning, but a combination of Owen's death and the injury stopped it from ever happening.
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Post by Throwback on Nov 18, 2007 16:16:46 GMT -5
another "convenient" piece of film Vince has locked himself in his office. BUT WAIT!!!!! Bret finds a way in because the office has two doors and Vince "conveniently forgets to lock the other door When did Bret "conveniently" do that? when he got into the office to punch vince. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjogrot65Ss&feature=related1:34 bret saying "the piece of crap locked himself in his office" 3:42 bret telling how he just punched vince how'd ya get in to punch him bret?
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Post by Max on Nov 18, 2007 16:25:50 GMT -5
I feel like im reading a bunch of Dale Gribble's thoughts. Its def. not a work.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Nov 18, 2007 16:30:23 GMT -5
According to someone i will not mention, but say he resembles and Acme tool that was dropped on a lot of cartoon heads, it was a work. Notice how the cameras did not pick up Bret punching Vince? If it was a shoot it would've been dropped by now anyways. Vince wouldn't of stayed at ringside to be spit on, and Bret would've taken his shot there instead of in the back. Notice how Bret told the camera men to leave him right before he "punched" Vince. It's a work and the greatest one of all time.
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