Does anyone still actually beleive.....???

[jcdenton]

yjc1019 said:

jcdenton said:

Well, think about it, All of bret's Famely wanted out of WWF after that, only Jim and Bulldog, and they had to pay around 100,000 each to get out, owen was simply not aloued to go.

Bulldog goes to WCW where his lower spine gets crushed on Warrior's warp pad, is Goes back to WWE where hes turned into a generic power wrestler, released, and dies of a heart attack brought on from his many drug abuses and injories.

Owen, being forced to stay in WWF dies when doing a hugely Dangerous stunt.

The family now, fractures under the stress, with divorces, name calling, and hated. It was suspected Helen Hart died no small part due to the sadness of seeing her famely fall apart.

But that was circumstancial, it's not as if Bulldog and Owen could see into the future and know that they would die those deaths.

But then, it was all touched off by the screwjob, if bret was still in WWF or even in WCW on good terms with vince, you think he would let owen anywhere near that stupid 2lb harness.

Davey boy would have stayed in the WWF, not got his lower back shatered like glass. Perhaps he would have still died from drug abuse, but at least the massive back injury would have been avoided. (also, his wife at the time overdosed on pain killers to scare Davey boy into stopping.)

[Mercyful Fate]

yjc1019 said:

jcdenton said:

Well, think about it, All of bret's Famely wanted out of WWF after that, only Jim and Bulldog, and they had to pay around 100,000 each to get out, owen was simply not aloued to go.

Bulldog goes to WCW where his lower spine gets crushed on Warrior's warp pad, is Goes back to WWE where hes turned into a generic power wrestler, released, and dies of a heart attack brought on from his many drug abuses and injories.

Owen, being forced to stay in WWF dies when doing a hugely Dangerous stunt.

The family now, fractures under the stress, with divorces, name calling, and hated. It was suspected Helen Hart died no small part due to the sadness of seeing her famely fall apart.

But that was circumstancial, it's not as if Bulldog and Owen could see into the future and know that they would die those deaths.

Yes, but do you honestly think that Bret would attribute the Screwjob to their deaths if it was nothing more than a work? He has stated that a lot of things, like Owen's death, wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the Screwjob. Do you honestly think that Bret would make statements like that, and basically exploit his brother's death, just to make the Screwjob appear even more real?

[Kevin Hamilton]

If I never ever ever saw a Montreal thread again, it wouldn't bother me at all.

[AriadosMan]

jackrabbitslim said:

If I never ever ever saw a Montreal thread again, it wouldn't bother me at all.

Which means you'll probably see about 55 of them in the following weeks according to Wrestlecrap logic ;D

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

We're getting way off the intent of this thread, which is about ways in which an audience can be fooled, not about alleged nepotism.

I'll just say that I don't think that it was fixed, but I wouldn't be flabbergasted if it came out that it were.

[Hiroshi Hase]

liamthomas said:

yjc1019 said:

But that was circumstancial, it's not as if Bulldog and Owen could see into the future and know that they would die those deaths.

Yes, but do you honestly think that Bret would attribute the Screwjob to their deaths if it was nothing more than a work? He has stated that a lot of things, like Owen's death, wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the Screwjob. Do you honestly think that Bret would make statements like that, and basically exploit his brother's death, just to make the Screwjob appear even more real?

That's his feelings on it, and that's fine, but how would that have prevented Owen's death? They still probably would've used the Blazer gimmick on him as it was said that he refused to do an angle with Debra as his love interest because he had a wife at home.

Also, I believe Piper (who he considers Owen a very close friend) used the death of Owen in a promo in TNA as I recall blaming Russo for his death, so hearing things like that in wrestling is not at all surprising to me.

[Throwback]

yjc1019 said:

Also, I believe Piper (who he considers Owen a very close friend) used the death of Owen in a promo in TNA as I recall blaming Russo for his death, so hearing things like that in wrestling is not at all surprising to me.

If you read Pipers book it turns out he's a distant cousin of the harts and refers to bret and owen as cuz. and when he went to WCW he asks Russo if he was the one responsible for his cousin Owen's death.

["Nature Boy" Ric Moranis]

I don't know why Bret making a documentary at that time, and having an all-access video crew is such a sticking point with people who think it's this grand "work".

He wasn't making a Michael Moore-scale, major, wide-release documentary. It was originally an independent documentary made by filmmakers that were Bret marks and wanted to follow him around, and he thought it was a cool idea because he's kind of a mark for himself too, and went to film school. If the screwjob never happened, this doc MAYBE would've aired on CBC or TSN in Canada, and been some random documentary that only die-hard Bret Hart fans and tape traders would've ever seen.

With the screwjob footage, the documentary got a little legs. But really, it debuted in America on A&E, so it was only a humongous deal to wrestling fans, and A&E, who was trying to capitalize on the hot cable TV market for wrestling in 1998/99...just like everyone making the "History of Pro Wrestling", "Secrets of Pro Wrestling", and "The Jesse Ventura Story" hotshot TV movies during the same period.

It wasn't a work. If it was, Bret & Vince wouldn't have said so many terrible things about each other after Owen's death. Ten years is a long time, and those guys had a long friendly relationship before the poo hit the fan, so it's easily understandable how they can be on awkward speaking terms now...without the thing being a work.

If it was a work, they would've hot-shotted that angle by at least mid-2004. Nobody cares now, just like nobody popped or cared about a hot-looking Sunny at RAW's XV anniversary. I just get the feeling that the Montreal Screwjob happened, Bret doesn't want to be involved anymore, and they're both pretty much over it. It happened, it was a sucky situation, people move on.

[Powder/The Professor]

I still truly believe it was a work all along.