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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 6:16:05 GMT -5
Wow, if it's the ring crew jobbers, color me very unimpressed.
Pearce is involved. Whitmer is involved. If not, then on the last ROH PPV, Adam Pearce cut an excrutiatingly long ass promo for NO REASON.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 8:40:47 GMT -5
Smurf. I'm Jeff Hardy. I'm nothing like Jeff. I should've never said I'd like to stay at home and write and draw.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 2, 2007 1:22:36 GMT -5
Not to point this out but if TNA were doing this we would hear 'Oh god, Russo booking' No not really, because if it were Russo booking the payoff would be happening tomorrow instead of...i think the 161 show is in about a month. This is booking that has to do with long term planing and a slow build, with cool twist and turns. Something Russo just doesn't do. In that case, Russo has a weekly TV show to write, and ROH doesn't... So you could go back and forth on this all night. Nevertheless, this whole thing looks pretty cool, but it's def. "sports entertainment".
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 12, 2007 8:57:09 GMT -5
I'm 99% thinking Angle here, and the booking makes it seem like Karen's clearly gonna swerve Joe...
But I think plans may have changed since Friday. I say this is because Jarrett was supposed to eventually beat Angle, and most recent signs pointed to Jarrett choosing Pacman Jones as his tag-team partner. Now that lawyers got involved, and Pacman can't wrestle, hopefully, that threw a huge wrench in that plan (if that was the plan).
Maybe now, they switch gears and let Joe win. It makes the most sense since it evens up the Joe/Angle series, rewards Joe for a great couple years, and hopefully can draw more money with those two down the line.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 9:03:22 GMT -5
^ I don't think TNA sees themselves above ROH more than the fact that it would be utterly pointless to allow guys like Joe, Homicide, Daniels, A.J., and Lethal to showcase one or two great matches per month at ROH DVD prices...when you're trying to draw PPV buys for a more expensive product. As crappy as it seems, it was kind of dumb that they allowed guys like Joe to work ROH DVDs as long as they did...since TNA never let him wrestle great matches on TV, only PPV. And why buy a TNA PPV when Joe may never have a TNA match better than any of his ROH matches?
Despite that, TNA and ROH should still work together. But, WWE will never allow an ROH Invasion unless TNA starts kicking WWE's butts for months, and that's not happening in the immediate future.
Plus, and I hate to say it, but 1995-97 ECW was WAY more famous than current ROH. ECW's TV was available in NYC, NJ, PA, most of New England, Carolinas, Florida, and the West Coast, and if you had DirecTV you could watch them from anywhere in the U.S. Plus, ECW had bigger 'names'. ROH is still essentially a website that sells DVDs, and is finally getting into showing public-access looking PPVs that make 2003 TNA seem like top-notch television production.
If there's three promotions... A) #1 has no reason to EVER work with #3. B) #2 should work with #3.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 11:35:06 GMT -5
WOW!!!! Are you kidding about "Gee Thanks, Paul"? regarding 1994 Steiner in ECW? To help you out...In 2007, that would've been the equivalent of saying that Bryan Danielson missed an ROH title challenge against Morishima, so Gabe replaced him with Austin Aries & Brent Albright carrying Brock Lesnar by piggyback. I was actually, the Steiner's of yesteryear rocked...now all they've got is Scott's blabble-speech craft... My apologies, then. You have good taste.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 11:27:31 GMT -5
from 1993 to 1996 many various stars arrived at ECW and left soon after...could you please tell me more of their stints? I´m talkin´ bout more unknown/unpopular appearances, not Austin or Pillman stuff f.e. Kevin Sullivan & Woman Arn Anderson Ron Simmons Konnan Terry Gordy (I think I saw his name somewhere attached to an ECW show) Rick Steiner (something with Taz right?) Crash The Terminator (later Hugh Morrus in WCW) Jim Neidhart (!?) what was the purpose of bringing in these guys? did they have any significant influence, feud or storyline there? why didn´t they stay longer? they weren´t getting over neither, right? - Kevin Sullivan and Arn Anderson were part of an open talent relationship. Both worked for WCW and Smokey Mountain around this time, before Cornette signed the SMW agreement with WWF. -WCW signed both Woman and Konnan from ECW. Woman was Sandman's valet. Konnan was part of the "Extreme Lucha Libre" movement, and was in a TV tag match with Rey/Juvi/Psicosis...and was less of a protruding sore thumb than you'd think. - The Steiners helped make TAZ what he was. That was the deal. Taz was a barefoot savage. Taz came back as a fighter. Taz "trained" with the Steiners. After hanging out with the Steiners, he was a MMA/suplex machine for five straight years. The Steiners beat Big Dick Dudley & Vampire Warrior at an outdoor show for "Hardcore TV", and maybe won a six-man. Scott Steiner wore a Gold's Gym wifebeater under his classic Steiner flouresent, gaudy singlet in the Vampire/Dudley match. - Ron Simmons was wrongly fired/laid off by WCW...that's why he was in ECW. He had a crappy match with ECW World Champ Shane Douglas in Florida. Probably Shane's fault. - Terry Gordy had a stroke before entering ECW. Watching him was sad. He reformed MVC with Dr. Death, and fought Raven for the ECW Title. Dream matches were far gone with his health. He also fought Brian Lee (Chainz). Gordy was a shell of his former self, and couldn't cut a promo anymore because his brain and motor functions were essentially fried. -WCW stole/signed Crash the Terminator (Morrus). Don't think he did anything other than fight the Eliminators. -I'd think Neidhart was in ECW with Snuka and Muraco in the "Eastern Championship Wrestling" period.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 11:05:43 GMT -5
I believe Rick Steiner was brought in to take Sabu's place in a tag team match. I read that fans were unhappy with Sabu being gone, so Paul brought in Steiner as a "present" for the fans. Gee, thanks Paul... WOW!!!! Are you kidding about "Gee Thanks, Paul"? regarding 1994 Steiner in ECW? To help you out...In 2007, that would've been the equivalent of saying that Bryan Danielson missed an ROH title challenge against Morishima, so Gabe replaced him with Austin Aries & Brent Albright carrying Brock Lesnar by piggyback.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 8, 2007 23:07:37 GMT -5
Hopefully all the hype from Jarrett talking about how he's been making amazing progress with his wrestling training and that he's one of the best natural athletes he's ever seen is not total bull crap. By default, he should be one of the best natural athletes Jarrett's ever seen. The guy's legitimately one of the best athletes in the NFL...which sorry, but makes him probably the best athlete in wrestling, right away. If there are any better natural athletes in wrestling...they wouldn't be wrestling. I've seen too many people act on here act like the Jones is an NFL nobody, he sucks, and all he does is stir trouble. He's only played two seasons so far, and last year, led the NFL in Punt Returns (over wonderboy Devin Hester), and was tied for the lead in most Punt Returns for TDs. I'm not in favor of this at all, but the guy's got huge upside as a wrestler if he takes it more seriously than the usual mainstream athletes that come in for one match on PPV.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 9:53:54 GMT -5
jeez. test debuts and everyone complains about them saying "OH MY GOD IT IS AnDREW MARTIn", when they give someone a low key first appearance you guys complain as well. how should people debut? I understand your frustration...and I've got the answer for TNA HATERZZE! Bryan Danielson should come out of the crowd in street clothes, then challenge Kurt Angle for all the belts. Then, he should win a 60-minute 2/3 falls match in 58:41 in street clothes...with CATTLE MUTILATION! After Danielson wins...CM Punk, no wait, ELIJAH BURKE (!!!!!!!!!!!) should jump the rail, and challenge Danielson for a three-hour match at the next TNA PPV. That sets up an ultra-dream match between "The Best Wrestler in the World" and "The Silver Tongued Blogger who Punches and Does Chinlocks". By the way...Burke would be wearing a "Project 161" T-shirt, while Danielson has tights that say "abusedsociety.com" on the ass. That's a debut! But it won't even matter anyway, because Brian Alvarez just reported that the winner of of Danielson/Burke would drop all of the TNA belts and their drivers' licenses to Jeff Jarrett at Bound For Glory 2012 in a match where you can only win after Vince Russo draws an accurate looking theme-park style caricature of you. I could give a crap whether TNA goes out of business or not...but I'd hate to see the kinds of crap that 1996-98 WWE angles or classic ECW angles would get on this board if the company's name was "TNA". It's ridiculous.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 5:44:57 GMT -5
Um, for TNA haters, that was an internet teaser. Not a TNA debut for Matt Morgan. People crap on TNA for so many reasons, but this shouldn't be one. It is not a "wasted debut" for Morgan.
If it is, then, OMG GUYZZZZ ROH TOTAAAALLLY DROPPPED THE BALL WTIH TEH PROJECTZ161111zzz!!!!! THOZ GUYZ WERE on the INTERNETZ before DVD!!!!
And to clarify, I think the ROH/Project 161 angle is brilliant and way better than Matt Morgan showing up for 10 seconds on YouTube...people just have double standards and are way too hard on TNA for any MINISCULE reason...when there's so much crappy stuff going on in mainstream wrestling.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 8, 2007 10:36:15 GMT -5
Mero's got a bad heart from years of steroid abuse, so it's not like the guy's just trying to get on TV like Chyna or Brian Christopher. The guy's done with wrestling, has nobody in the business that he's trying to impress or kissass for a job...he's just doing what he feels is right.
I can't fault him for that. And he hasn't pushed his heart problems on TV as much as he should, because he's trying to win bigger arguments and open eyes to the lifestyle that SOME in the business are drawn into.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 8, 2007 2:14:58 GMT -5
I was just re reading Foley's book a little, and there's tons of hate for the wrestling abilities of Marc Mero aka Johnny B. Badd.... I don't really remember anything horrendous from him, but I was young and a big time Sable mark at the time, so who knows. I guess the question is, what was so bad? Any examples of stuff that absolutely sucked? He sucked hardcore at first, because he was basically a local bodybuilder that Dusty Rhodes hired because he thought he looked like Little Richard with muscles. Seriously. The fact that Mero was walking around looking like Little Richard before he had that gimmick in WCW is weird in it's own right. So, he was super green, but they pushed him at an annoying rate compared to his skills. He did get alot better and added a ton of high spots to his offense, but once he got a clue, he suffered injuries that pretty much ruined him. I thought he was pretty good at the tail end of his WCW run/entrance into WWF. He really tried to improve, which I always respected, because many guys who get early pushes before they know what they're doing never get better.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 10, 2007 6:54:52 GMT -5
Also...if a 2007 guy like Robert Roode came out to rave music and shaking a cheap styrofoam head, and talking crazy to it backstage, people would crap on the gimmick to the point that some angry smark may burn Universal Studios to the ground.
Sorry...but Al Snow's "Head" was Wrestlecrap. I don't care if Mick Foley inspired it, don't care if Al Snow sold the hell out of it, don't care if Heyman booked it..."head" was WrestleCrap. Al Snow salvaged the gimmick, but he couldn't cut a promo without losing his train of thought and heat.
ECW fans ate EVERYTHING up during that time period, but I thought that gimmick was brutal back then and I was only a measly 16-year old that wanted to like anything in wrestling.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 10, 2007 6:07:09 GMT -5
Sorry, but if "Roadkill" wasn't the epitome of WrestleCrap, I don't know what could be. Some have a soft spot for Roadkill's character, but there's absolutely nothing funny or entertaining about a fat guy with dumb sideburns screaming "CHICKENS!!!"
ECW escapes WrestleCrap because the fanbase was semi-brainwashed into thinking that everything in ECW was automatically awesome. Amish Roadkill was a terrible gimmick for their "innovative" product. That crap was straight out of 1986 WWF. Heyman's a genius, but he had some gimmicks that were terrible...but you could buy into it because the product was solid.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:52:21 GMT -5
He's done little of note on the field Sportscasters keep saying he's done little of note, but the guy is one of the most explosive returners in the league. It's funny that a guy like Chicago's Devin Hester puts up worse stats than Pacman Jones, and Jones is a nobody because he's suspended and wrestling. Jones led the NFL in two different statistical categories. The only two other players to do that last season are Peyton Manning and LaDainian Tomlinson. Right or wrong...Pacman, Manning, Tomlinson. Only guys in the NFL to do that. Look it up.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 9:42:10 GMT -5
Pacman won't help TNA, but that interview alone "with TNA Wrestling" simply written at the bottom of the screen for 10-15 minutes was far more total exposure by ESPN than all of their other World Series MVPs and NASCAR announcers combined.
Any other time TNA tries this, ESPN goes, "Brian Urlacher ran in and bodyslammed a guy during a pro wrestling match last night" while showing a four second clip and move on.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 9:14:49 GMT -5
Jarrett's acted an awful lot like his dad (Jerry) here on ESPN. If that's what he's really like, I guess that's decent, because his dad was one of the smartest guys ever in the business (ask Vince or people in Turner).
Still, a terrible idea, since Pacman has no mic skills, but I'm still betting that he'll surprise in the ring. Plus, he's free to wrestle until June 2008, no matter what that clueless moron Skip Bayless has to say.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 9:08:04 GMT -5
Haha, Jarrett's laughing at all of Pacman's jokes!
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 9:06:44 GMT -5
Bah gawd, King!!! That man set up a damn ring in his backyard!!!
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