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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 7, 2007 12:38:34 GMT -5
It's still Team 3D vs The X-Division! The Belt is just a side story to the bigger feud. It was still the feud when bubba "kidnapped" Devine and ended up revelaing the traitor. it's just involving the X-Division champ and the X0-Division traitor! I'll defer to Hollywood's statement. No matter what, when you get right down to it, it's a 6-man tag war over a singles title. Not even to determine a new champion, but just who gets to possess the belt. They could've done the same idea with Brother Canucker gunning after Lethal's belt while Team 3D tries to help him get it but the MCMGs eventually intervene on Lethal's behalf, thus not having these silly possession matches and not having a 6-man tag war over a singles title. but then again tag matches for singles belts seems to be TNA's "big thing" right now. And like I said, why would Team 3D and Devine want the belts, if they plan on destroying the division? Why want to champion it? It's not about championship stauts, it's about the honor fo the X-division.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2007 12:40:21 GMT -5
I'll defer to Hollywood's statement. No matter what, when you get right down to it, it's a 6-man tag war over a singles title. Not even to determine a new champion, but just who gets to possess the belt. They could've done the same idea with Brother Canucker gunning after Lethal's belt while Team 3D tries to help him get it but the MCMGs eventually intervene on Lethal's behalf, thus not having these silly possession matches and not having a 6-man tag war over a singles title. but then again tag matches for singles belts seems to be TNA's "big thing" right now. And like I said, why would Team 3D and Devine want the belts, if they plan on destroying the division? Why want to champion it? It's not about championship stauts, it's about the honor fo the X-division. If Team 3-D hates the Division so much, why do they keep giving the challengers (one of whom is the champ, speaking of WTF?) a chance to get it back? Why not just smash the damn thing with a hammer?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 7, 2007 12:41:47 GMT -5
I'll defer to Hollywood's statement. No matter what, when you get right down to it, it's a 6-man tag war over a singles title. Not even to determine a new champion, but just who gets to possess the belt. They could've done the same idea with Brother Canucker gunning after Lethal's belt while Team 3D tries to help him get it but the MCMGs eventually intervene on Lethal's behalf, thus not having these silly possession matches and not having a 6-man tag war over a singles title. but then again tag matches for singles belts seems to be TNA's "big thing" right now. And like I said, why would Team 3D and Devine want the belts, if they plan on destroying the division? Why want to champion it? It's not about championship stauts, it's about the honor fo the X-division. So if they don't want the belt why do they have the belt? Why's the belt involved? Honor? Maybe, but again if they actually got Devine to become champion they could then destroy the division via the dismantlement of all challengers who try to get the belt back. And I agree with Hollywood, why not pull a Mr. Perfect & The Genius and just smash the damn thing?
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 7, 2007 12:42:18 GMT -5
But my point is it's a stupid feud. We're having a six-man tag team war over a singles title. Whatever the storyline justifications, that's just stupid. Cause it's about the division as a whole, with the people that hate it and the traitor versus the embodiment and the champ! It's not about championships since the heels don't like the division and won't want to represent it, it's about defending their honor! AAAAAHH!! I'm getting pissed off having to explain this! What the smurf?! Did you ever consider that you have to explain it so much...because it isn't that easy to understand upon first watching? Calm down and realize that not everyone pays close attention to everything going on in TNA and, even if they do, just might not get where they're going with a storyline. I didn't watch last night, and I was confused to hear about a Ladder match for posession of the belt...but not the right to be called champion. I think the anger towards it is just the idea of, "Why not just make Devine Champion?" Heck, I'd be happy if TNA did eventually have Devine become X-Division champion and then Team 3D turns against him for embracing what they hate. I realize that this would lead to People complaining about the lack of sense of Devine turning just so 3D could turn on him. However, they're always going to complain. No matter how much you try to explain. That's life. That's the internet. That's...TNA. ;D
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 7, 2007 12:42:55 GMT -5
Cause it's about the division as a whole, with the people that hate it and the traitor versus the embodiment and the champ! It's not about championships since the heels don't like the division and won't want to represent it, it's about defending their honor! AAAAAHH!! I'm getting pissed off having to explain this! What the smurf?! If it takes half as much effort as you're making to explain it, it's already far too complicated for a wrestling angle. Cause you're making it complicated! Hell, I know the angle cold! -Team 3D attack the MCMG -MCMG and the X-Division strike back -MCMG beat Team 3D clean -Team 3D attack Machismo and steal the belt. -Devine turns -Team 3D cheat to win. -Team 3D don't want the belt anymore, but Machismo wants to fight for it back. -Team 3D screw Machismo & MCMG out of the win again.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 7, 2007 12:44:46 GMT -5
And like I said, why would Team 3D and Devine want the belts, if they plan on destroying the division? Why want to champion it? It's not about championship stauts, it's about the honor fo the X-division. If Team 3-D hates the Division so much, why do they keep giving the challengers (one of whom is the champ, speaking of WTF?) a chance to get it back? Why not just smash the damn thing with a hammer? They're taunting them. They're toying with them. They're bullies, it's what they do. Who knows if, down the line, they end of doing it, or end up playing too much and it cost them the belt?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 7, 2007 12:44:52 GMT -5
If it takes half as much effort as you're making to explain it, it's already far too complicated for a wrestling angle. Cause you're making it complicated! Hell, I know the angle cold! -Team 3D attack the MCMG -MCMG and the X-Division strike back -MCMG beat Team 3D clean -Team 3D attack Machismo and steal the belt. -Devine turns -Team 3D cheat to win. -Team 3D don't want the belt anymore, but Machismo wants to fight for it back. -Team 3D screw Machismo & MCMG out of the win again. We're making it complicated by pointing out the sillyness of Team 3D not destroying a belt they no longer want that belongs to a division they are trying to destroy, and the tag matches just to get the thing back in a possessive sense but not the champion sense? Look I'm sorry if I just don't think it works, that's just the way it is. If any promotion did this kind of thing I would question it, so it's not just a TNA thing.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2007 12:47:40 GMT -5
If it takes half as much effort as you're making to explain it, it's already far too complicated for a wrestling angle. Cause you're making it complicated! Hell, I know the angle cold! -Team 3D attack the MCMG -MCMG and the X-Division strike back -MCMG beat Team 3D clean -Team 3D attack Machismo and steal the belt. -Devine turns -Team 3D cheat to win. -Team 3D don't want the belt anymore, but Machismo wants to fight for it back. -Team 3D screw Machismo & MCMG out of the win again. Team 3-D was willing to give up the belt, but Lethal insisted on fighting for it? Was there no one else standing beside Lethal to say, "What? Are you a dumbass?"
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 7, 2007 12:52:35 GMT -5
Cause you're making it complicated! Hell, I know the angle cold! -Team 3D attack the MCMG -MCMG and the X-Division strike back -MCMG beat Team 3D clean -Team 3D attack Machismo and steal the belt. -Devine turns -Team 3D cheat to win. -Team 3D don't want the belt anymore, but Machismo wants to fight for it back. -Team 3D screw Machismo & MCMG out of the win again. We're making it complicated by pointing out the sillyness of Team 3D not destroying a belt they no longer want that belongs to a division they are trying to destroy, and the tag matches just to get the thing back in a possessive sense but not the champion sense? Look I'm sorry if I just don't think it works, that's just the way it is. If any promotion did this kind of thing I would question it, so it's not just a TNA thing. They're not destroying it, cause they're too busy gloating about it and trying to piss off the Division. Bullies: what they do. And since you're fighting a TEAM, it's good to have another TEAM to help you. That's why we have the TEAM element in the match. TEAM!
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2007 12:57:16 GMT -5
We're making it complicated by pointing out the sillyness of Team 3D not destroying a belt they no longer want that belongs to a division they are trying to destroy, and the tag matches just to get the thing back in a possessive sense but not the champion sense? Look I'm sorry if I just don't think it works, that's just the way it is. If any promotion did this kind of thing I would question it, so it's not just a TNA thing. They're not destroying it, cause they're too busy gloating about it and trying to piss off the Division. Bullies: what they do. And since you're fighting a TEAM, it's good to have another TEAM to help you. That's why we have the TEAM element in the match. TEAM! All the justifications in the world still don't hide the fact that it's a six-man tag match for a singles title. Dumb. Period. Sorry.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 7, 2007 12:59:27 GMT -5
If Sinister stops posting. I'm going to be worried...because I'm instantly going to think "Coronary."
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 7, 2007 12:59:39 GMT -5
They're not destroying it, cause they're too busy gloating about it and trying to piss off the Division. Bullies: what they do. And since you're fighting a TEAM, it's good to have another TEAM to help you. That's why we have the TEAM element in the match. TEAM! All the justifications in the world still don't hide the fact that it's a six-man tag match for a singles title. Dumb. Period. Sorry. Only cause you're making it. It's not a shot at the title. It's not a title match. It's a guy, with help, taking on a group trying to get his property back. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2007 13:02:39 GMT -5
All the justifications in the world still don't hide the fact that it's a six-man tag match for a singles title. Dumb. Period. Sorry. Only cause you're making it. It's not a shot at the title. It's not a title match. It's a guy, with help, taking on a group trying to get his property back. Nothing more. Nothing less. Sorry. I just don't see it. If TNA's trying to bring prestige back to the X-Division, this isn't the way to do it. Just let the guys have kickass matches with interesting angles to add intrigue. Convoluted angles where a tag team hates the division and "kidnaps" the belt is not the way to do. Of course, if the rumors of TNA wanting to elminate the belt are still true, then involving it in a retarded story like this is a great start.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 7, 2007 13:05:23 GMT -5
If Sinister stops posting. I'm going to be worried...because I'm instantly going to think "Coronary." Didn't know you cared..... I think I'm just gonna leave, cause i'm not getting through to anyone and all it's doing is driving me crazy and making myself look stupid.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Dec 7, 2007 13:06:32 GMT -5
Honestly, in general I'm not a fan of "stealing" a title belt angle, mostly because WWE shot a huge hole into it back in 1994-ish when M.O.M defeated the tag champs (the Quebecers i think but i could be wrong) but didn't win the belts, but they just took them. The next time they were on TV, they didn't have the belts and the announcer (Vince?) explained that Tunney forced them to give the belts back.
So, if stealing the belts are "illegal", why not have Cornette just say "Give the belt back or you're fired"?
That's what bothers me the most about it. It's not even about suspending belief. Within Kayfabe there's an answer that's been done before.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 7, 2007 13:07:13 GMT -5
If Sinister stops posting. I'm going to be worried...because I'm instantly going to think "Coronary." Didn't know you cared..... I think I'm just gonna leave, cause i'm not getting through to anyone and all it's doing is driving me crazy and making myself look stupid. Probably just better to cut your losses anyway. It seems that all of you are very set in your opinions to the point where you're just saying "No, it's this" at every point.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 7, 2007 13:13:48 GMT -5
Didn't know you cared..... I think I'm just gonna leave, cause i'm not getting through to anyone and all it's doing is driving me crazy and making myself look stupid. Probably just better to cut your losses anyway. It seems that all of you are very set in your opinions to the point where you're just saying "No, it's this" at every point. Pretty much, some like it, some don't. I don't mind the storyline at all, but everyone has their own opinion of it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 7, 2007 13:19:38 GMT -5
Ok, I'm pretty much done with Lance. That show was awesome.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2007 13:21:20 GMT -5
I'm still interested to see the evening's ratings. Regardless of how stupid I think TNA is (again), I hope they did well.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Dec 7, 2007 13:53:51 GMT -5
Ok, I'm pretty much done with Lance. That show was awesome. Much as it pains me to say it, as a Lance fan, same here. I had a few problems here and there with it (If Rellik is such a badass horrible monster, why does he never win, for instance), but on the whole, I thought the show was great. Matt Morgan and Cornette got me going laughing, particularly.
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