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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 7, 2007 13:56:08 GMT -5
Ok, I'm pretty much done with Lance. That show was awesome. Much as it pains me to say it, as a Lance fan, same here. I had a few problems here and there with it (If Rellik is such a badass horrible monster, why does he never win, for instance), but on the whole, I thought the show was great. Matt Morgan and Cornette got me going laughing, particularly. Yeah, Cornette's one of the pluses for me on Impact. I know he's one of wrestling's greatest villians, but unless Bischoff or Heyman are about to return to TV I'm pretty burned out on evil authority figures.
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Post by jzbadblood on Dec 7, 2007 14:06:06 GMT -5
Impact! was good. TNA has been getting better as a whole. Lance Storm is a former wrestler who thinks because he used to be in the business he knows what he's talking about, but he really doesn't. He's basically a whiny smark. Got it?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 7, 2007 14:59:45 GMT -5
Impact! was good. TNA has been getting better as a whole. Lance Storm is a former wrestler who thinks because he used to be in the business he knows what he's talking about, but he really doesn't. He's basically a whiny smark. Got it? As long as you thought the exact same thing about Disco Inferno, then your statement is valid.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 7, 2007 15:06:26 GMT -5
TNA has its stupid and illogical moments, but I'm just completely burned out on WWE programming at the moment. There's just too many good things on the show these days (Christian's promos, AJ's character, Roxxi's quirks, Kaz/MCMG's pushes, Awesome Kong-Gail Kim's fued, Booker's new motivation, Lethal's mannerisms, Velvet Skye's ass) for me to criticize the show too much.
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Post by paxter on Dec 7, 2007 16:13:05 GMT -5
This impact was dumb as hell and I agree with Lance. If anything, he was being to nice. I hardly ever watch impact, and whenever I do, its like God comes down from the Heavens and bitch slaps me as a way of saying "cut that out dumbass."
Lets start 3d vs the X division- Never mind that this angle has been done before, but this is by far the dumbest way I have ever seen TNA pussyfoot around it. They keep the championship status on Jay Le- sorry I mean "Black Machismo", but have fights over the belt itself? GAH! As if that wasn't dumb enough, three of the guys fighting for the belt don't even want it? If they don't want it, then why are they fighting for it? If its to piss the faces off, then why not try to beat them for the championship status, and not just the belt? See last time I checked, taking champion status away from a champion pisses them off more the just taking away the prop. If thats not bad enough, the belt still changes hands, but not the status? Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, seriously format C:. It will make the world a better place, and thats what we all want in the end, right?
With the briefcase deal-Why not just fire Senishi with the briefcase angle? He did quit after all. Never mind, trying to figure out TNA and their "your fired" angles is like hitting your head with a rock, without the rewarding after effects. I'm sure whoever gets fired will come back in two weeks, to fight in a match for there job, making this whole thing pointless. But hey, it could be worse. I was half expecting Steiner to get a womens title shot, only for it to get stolen by Angle, so he could once again say he has had every belt in TNA.
ODB beating Kim doesn't piss me off so much as it just makes me wonder "why". And not in an interested way, more in a "is that really a good idea Davey?."
On the whole Rellik subject, well I am just to scared to comment on that. After all, who wouldn't be scared by a jobber who wears a mask? Hes almost as scary as Shark Boy.
The fight for the right thing is sorta like telling new fans to stick a large pointed stick up there ass, but with more subtly then just outright saying "go stick a large pointed stick up your ass." "They get a title shot if they win at the PPV" "I mean, the get to fight to be in a tournment for a title shot at the PPV" "And then there is a rematch next PPV" "And then they lose title match in under 5 minutes"
So once again, I am no longer watching Impact. Shortest streak yet, one episode before I realized just how bad TNA is.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 7, 2007 16:18:06 GMT -5
With the briefcase deal-Why not just fire Senishi with the briefcase angle? He did quit after all. Never mind, trying to figure out TNA and their "your fired" angles is like hitting your head with a rock, without the rewarding after effects. I'm sure whoever gets fired will come back in two weeks, to fight in a match for there job, making this whole thing pointless. But hey, it could be worse. I was half expecting Steiner to get a womens title shot, only for it to get stolen by Angle, so he could once again say he has had every belt in TNA. As long as you say the same thing about Vince and the many times he "fired" talent on air, that's fine.
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Post by plushtar on Dec 7, 2007 16:18:21 GMT -5
I found tonight's show to be great, aside from the main event (but that doesen't count since I haven't paid much attention to a main event since WCW died; the only thing I recall is Christian being pummeled by his fellow heels).
I find the complaining about the ODB situation to be flawed. So what if she beat up the champion by cheating in a non-title match, that's what heels generally do. If ODB was pinned, the same people would complain that she is being buried. Another pro for that situation is that Talia Madison showed us why TNA will be keeping her around for a long time.
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Post by paxter on Dec 7, 2007 16:27:33 GMT -5
With the briefcase deal-Why not just fire Senishi with the briefcase angle? He did quit after all. Never mind, trying to figure out TNA and their "your fired" angles is like hitting your head with a rock, without the rewarding after effects. I'm sure whoever gets fired will come back in two weeks, to fight in a match for there job, making this whole thing pointless. But hey, it could be worse. I was half expecting Steiner to get a womens title shot, only for it to get stolen by Angle, so he could once again say he has had every belt in TNA. As long as you say the same thing about Vince and the many times he "fired" talent on air, that's fine. Oh my god, I am not talking about WWE. At all. Why the hell do you feel the need to bring WWE up when talking about TNA? TNA IS NOT WWE. Just because WWE can do x, doesn't mean TNA should do x. If you can't figure out why that is, I'm pretty sure this conversation is done, since it will just end up frustrating me.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 7, 2007 16:31:11 GMT -5
As long as you say the same thing about Vince and the many times he "fired" talent on air, that's fine. Oh my god, I am not talking about WWE. At all. Why the hell do you feel the need to bring WWE up when talking about TNA? TNA IS NOT WWE. Just because WWE can do x, doesn't mean TNA should do x. If you can't figure out why that is, I'm pretty sure this conversation is done, since it will just end up frustrating me. Oh my god, I think I know that, but still it's not a bad angle to me, you may take exception with it, but I see nothing wrong with it. And wrestling shouldn't be taken that seriously where you have to go off like that, honestly. I reckon I'd get frustrated too, so I guess that makes both of us.
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Post by paxter on Dec 7, 2007 16:45:45 GMT -5
Oh my god, I am not talking about WWE. At all. Why the hell do you feel the need to bring WWE up when talking about TNA? TNA IS NOT WWE. Just because WWE can do x, doesn't mean TNA should do x. If you can't figure out why that is, I'm pretty sure this conversation is done, since it will just end up frustrating me. Oh my god, I think I know that, but still it's not a bad angle to me, you may take exception with it, but I see nothing wrong with it. And wrestling shouldn't be taken that seriously where you have to go off like that, honestly. I reckon I'd get frustrated too, so I guess that makes both of us. You can like what ever you please. I thinks it stupid, and the fact I wasted my time watching it pisses me off. My point here isn't even that it bad, it comparing TNA and WWE. There is no reason to do so, there not even on the same plane. TNA needs simple angles that will get new fans hooked. WWE doesn't need new fans, so they can do whatever they damn well please. Anyone watching Mic Foley geting fired will know who Mic Foley is, and care about when he is coming back(unless they dislike Mic Foley). This is true for any fan of wrestling, including those who like TNA. And if you don't watchi wrestling, who cares? WWE is not really in need of any new fans right now. If you don't watch TNA, only watch WWE and you tune in to TNA, you don't know who Daniels is, so why would you care if he gets fired, and why would you care if he came back? TNA needs angles that show off how there product is different, not how its the same only with unknown wrestlers.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 7, 2007 16:50:18 GMT -5
Oh my god, I think I know that, but still it's not a bad angle to me, you may take exception with it, but I see nothing wrong with it. And wrestling shouldn't be taken that seriously where you have to go off like that, honestly. I reckon I'd get frustrated too, so I guess that makes both of us. You can like what ever you please. I thinks it stupid, and the fact I wasted my time watching it pisses me off. My point here isn't even that it bad, it comparing TNA and WWE. There is no reason to do so, there not even on the same plane. TNA needs simple angles that will get new fans hooked. WWE doesn't need new fans, so they can do whatever they damn well please. Anyone watching Mic Foley geting fired will know who Mic Foley is, and care about when he is coming back(unless they dislike Mic Foley). This is true for any fan of wrestling, including those who like TNA. And if you don't watchi wrestling, who cares? WWE is not really in need of any new fans right now. If you don't watch TNA, only watch WWE and you tune in to TNA, you don't know who Daniels is, so why would you care if he gets fired, and why would you care if he came back? TNA needs angles that show off how there product is different, not how its the same only with unknown wrestlers. Even though there are people who are new viewers to TNA, doesn't mean they have to hit the reset button because of it. I've watched TNA since late 02 and know who Daniels is, if you don't then watch along or if it's that much of a bother, wait till the segment is over. Personally, they could do all the gimmick Iron-Man matches and X-Division matches that will tear the house down, but the truth is they need better advertising to let people know they are on Spike on Thursdays at 9pm, otherwise it'll just be 1.1-1.3 for a long time to come, no matter who or what matches are on.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2007 17:59:27 GMT -5
I'd like to see a promotion gain enough prominence to rival WWE someday. I'm not looking for someone to overtake them, just finally provide competition again that will likely bring out the best in both companies.
As it stands, that promotion is not going to be TNA.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 7, 2007 18:40:46 GMT -5
TNA could turn water into wine and people would complain that it's a Chardonnay instead of a Merlot.
Whatever. Lance can hold TNA under the electron microscope all he wants, but I'm just going to enjoy the damn show.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 7, 2007 18:57:25 GMT -5
TNA could turn water into wine and people would complain that it's a Chardonnay instead of a Merlot. that or they could just stop sucking and everyone would be happy ;D
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Post by paxter on Dec 7, 2007 19:07:57 GMT -5
You can like what ever you please. I thinks it stupid, and the fact I wasted my time watching it pisses me off. My point here isn't even that it bad, it comparing TNA and WWE. There is no reason to do so, there not even on the same plane. TNA needs simple angles that will get new fans hooked. WWE doesn't need new fans, so they can do whatever they damn well please. Anyone watching Mic Foley geting fired will know who Mic Foley is, and care about when he is coming back(unless they dislike Mic Foley). This is true for any fan of wrestling, including those who like TNA. And if you don't watchi wrestling, who cares? WWE is not really in need of any new fans right now. If you don't watch TNA, only watch WWE and you tune in to TNA, you don't know who Daniels is, so why would you care if he gets fired, and why would you care if he came back? TNA needs angles that show off how there product is different, not how its the same only with unknown wrestlers. Even though there are people who are new viewers to TNA, doesn't mean they have to hit the reset button because of it. I've watched TNA since late 02 and know who Daniels is, if you don't then watch along or if it's that much of a bother, wait till the segment is over. Personally, they could do all the gimmick Iron-Man matches and X-Division matches that will tear the house down, but the truth is they need better advertising to let people know they are on Spike on Thursdays at 9pm, otherwise it'll just be 1.1-1.3 for a long time to come, no matter who or what matches are on. TNA has always needed just one more thing First it was a weekly TV show. It got it. Great wrestlers. They got it. Bigger Stars. They got that to. Better time slot. They got it. Two hours. They got it. Now they need more advertising. Even if they get that, they still won't have it. Why would they keep watching if they don't get/enjoy what there seeing? They need to grab new peoples attention, not confuse them to keep old viewers happy. Plus, simple well done storyline's would please everyone, unlike convoluted ones that even some TNA fans groan about. I am not talking about reseting. I am talking about not doing bait and switch. I mean, if your just getting into a new promotion, and they promise one thing then don't deliver, it sorta turns you off of the product. I've been a wrestling fan since the the wrestling boom, and it STILL pisses me off.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 7, 2007 19:09:36 GMT -5
Even though there are people who are new viewers to TNA, doesn't mean they have to hit the reset button because of it. I've watched TNA since late 02 and know who Daniels is, if you don't then watch along or if it's that much of a bother, wait till the segment is over. Personally, they could do all the gimmick Iron-Man matches and X-Division matches that will tear the house down, but the truth is they need better advertising to let people know they are on Spike on Thursdays at 9pm, otherwise it'll just be 1.1-1.3 for a long time to come, no matter who or what matches are on. TNA has always needed just one more thing First it was a weekly TV show. It got it. Great wrestlers. They got it. Bigger Stars. They got that to. Better time slot. They got it. Two hours. They got it. Now they need more advertising. Even if they get that, they still won't have it. Why would they keep watching if they don't get/enjoy what there seeing? They need to grab new peoples attention, not confuse them to keep old viewers happy. Plus, simple well done storyline's would please everyone, unlike convoluted ones that even some TNA fans groan about. I am not talking about reseting. I am talking about not doing bait and switch. I mean, if your just getting into a new promotion, and they promise one thing then don't deliver, it sorta turns you off of the product. I've been a wrestling fan since the the wrestling boom, and it STILL pisses me off. I never mentioned all of those things, they were essential, but you could have a good wrestling program, but if no one knows about it, it means nothing. I think you should cool down a bit if wrestling actually pisses you off, seriously.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 7, 2007 19:43:59 GMT -5
I've seen lots of TNA commercials on USA, Spike, Cartoon network, FX, VH-1.
Heck if you have direct TV they'll always plug a TNA PPV comercial in when they want during a show that has nothing to do with wrestling.
Plus in the age of Tivo/DVR television advertising doesn't cut it. Radio helps and I've heard TNA radio promos. Actually touring the areas to get your name out there works better than anything else though.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 7, 2007 19:48:08 GMT -5
Any TNA commercials you see are just airing on your local cable provider. Those aren't national ads.
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Post by skiller on Dec 7, 2007 19:53:05 GMT -5
Usually I feel Lance comes up with good points but he's just whining here. Like many have stated before his arguements have serious flaws within them.
Anyway since BFG TNA has seemed to significantly turn things around.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 7, 2007 20:45:47 GMT -5
Any TNA commercials you see are just airing on your local cable provider. Those aren't national ads. Well yeah, and you know people watching the show have cable. I have seen countless TNA commercials on Spike.
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