Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 26, 2008 16:18:30 GMT -5
The 1998 version of Godzilla. It's a movie about a monster. There's not really much else they could have done with it. I don't understand the criticism. I think a part of it might be due to the insaine hype the movie recieved. There wasnt any way it was going to be *that* good
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Bones58
Don Corleone
Shuup Baby, I know it!
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Post by Bones58 on Jan 26, 2008 16:19:06 GMT -5
Dune. The Harkonnens have to be the most brilliantly vile villains ever.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 26, 2008 17:10:27 GMT -5
Ok, I know this is going to throw rra into a tizzy like it always does, ...but Crash (2005). I still see it more as a over-the-top series of stories rather than the filmmakers attempting to teach a valuable lesson (which is very obvious, I will admit).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2008 17:32:47 GMT -5
the Princess Bride...
a lot of my friends didn't like this movie... no clue why... i couldn't see what there was not to like...
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Post by RoloSolo IV on Jan 26, 2008 17:36:44 GMT -5
I like all Karate Kid movies except the 4th one. I must be one of the few who like Karate Kid 4 than the 3rd movie.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Jan 26, 2008 19:01:53 GMT -5
The Man with Samuel L Jackson and Eugene Levy. The over the top stereotyping buddy cop formula works well.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 27, 2008 15:48:49 GMT -5
TF...without the explosions and CGI, why bother with it? I'll try and answer that: Pros: - Steve Jablonsky's score. The Director's DVD commentary suggested that he feels a movie score defines nearly 50% of the film in invoking emotions at the right point. I'll be hard-pressed to see detractors complain about: The Arrival of the Autobots or Soldiers Arrive- The CGI, as already pointed out. Leaps and bounds ahead of anything else. - Shia LeBeouf, Hugo Weaving, Peter Cullen, Josh Duhamel...viz. very good acting with what they had to work with. - Barricade - Gigantic robots kicking ass. The movie is called Transformers. Its based on a show that was a 30 minute toy commercial. How fleshed out does the story need to be? Would you rather there be intelligent dialogue like A Few Good Men and action that 'makes sense'? Cons: - - Too many cliches. The little girl, "Are you the tooth fairy?" dialogue is cringe-worthy. - Too many fast cuts - Shaky camera work - No explanation as to why Blackout is attacking a stationary car instead of Sam, who runs right by him. Add that logic to a few more scenes in the final battle. However, IMO, the pros far outweigh the cons. (obviously, I'll be shot-down for having a positive opinion on this film)
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rra
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Post by rra on Jan 27, 2008 19:54:32 GMT -5
TF...without the explosions and CGI, why bother with it? I'll try and answer that: Pros: - Steve Jablonsky's score. - The CGI, as already pointed out. Leaps and bounds ahead of anything else. - Shia LeBeouf, Hugo Weaving, Peter Cullen, Josh Duhamel...viz. very good acting with what they had to work with. - Barricade - Gigantic robots kicking ass. The movie is called Transformers. Its based on a show that was a 30 minute toy commercial. How fleshed out does the story need to be? Would you rather there be intelligent dialogue like A Few Good Men and action that 'makes sense'? Wait.... A FEW GOOD MEN was an intelligent movie? It's a glorified JAG episode. Anyway, as for your argument....unless I'm mistaken, 4 of your 5 Pros involve CGI and/or action involving CGI. Your only distinct point besides my statement is Bay's music monkey.
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NIXON
Unicron
Hail to the Chief Bootknocker
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Post by NIXON on Jan 27, 2008 20:03:05 GMT -5
Fear and Loathing Planet Terror Hot Rod Grandmas Boy CLerks 2
Some of these are more hated by critics than people I know.
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Post by Ravishing Rob Rude on Jan 27, 2008 20:37:52 GMT -5
The Punisher 2003 Harrold and Kumar Alien Vs Predator (the first one, even I thought AVPR sucked) Freddy Vs Jason House of 1000 Corpses Daredevil With the exeption Harold and Kumar, yeah I agree with all of thouse. Love Tom Jane as Punisher, FvsJ was a great action movie and Daredevil was so faithful to the comic books. Of course with the exception of Kingpin.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 28, 2008 4:55:10 GMT -5
I'll try and answer that: Pros: - Steve Jablonsky's score. - The CGI, as already pointed out. Leaps and bounds ahead of anything else. - Shia LeBeouf, Hugo Weaving, Peter Cullen, Josh Duhamel...viz. very good acting with what they had to work with. - Barricade - Gigantic robots kicking ass. The movie is called Transformers. Its based on a show that was a 30 minute toy commercial. How fleshed out does the story need to be? Would you rather there be intelligent dialogue like A Few Good Men and action that 'makes sense'? Wait.... A FEW GOOD MEN was an intelligent movie? It's a glorified JAG episode. Anyway, as for your argument....unless I'm mistaken, 4 of your 5 Pros involve CGI and/or action involving CGI. Your only distinct point besides my statement is Bay's music monkey. See, I still don't understand why you hate it. OK then, how would you have done it? Not Scorese, not Nolan, not Cameron, but rra. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. As for A Few Good Men being intelligent or not, I quote a resident movie critic on another forum I once posted on, "Opinions are like arseholes,everyone has one."
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rra
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Post by rra on Jan 28, 2008 5:24:10 GMT -5
Wait.... A FEW GOOD MEN was an intelligent movie? It's a glorified JAG episode. Anyway, as for your argument....unless I'm mistaken, 4 of your 5 Pros involve CGI and/or action involving CGI. Your only distinct point besides my statement is Bay's music monkey. See, I still don't understand why you hate it. OK then, how would you have done it? Not Scorese, not Nolan, not Cameron, but rra. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. As for A Few Good Men being intelligent or not, I quote a resident movie critic on another forum I once posted on, "Opinions are like arseholes,everyone has one." "Opinions are like Buttholes: Everyone has one, and they all stink!" - Howard Stern First off, why would I have done TRANSFORMERS? Outside of the toys as a kid, I never was creatively inspired or intrigued by the concept. Hell, a TF fan/friend of mine said that its a glorified Toy commercial. That said, just because its origins is dubious, doesn't mean its screwed creatively. Go read up on ROM: SPACE KNIGHT sometime. That was originally a (short-lived) toy, and Marvel cranked out a comic as a cheap marketing tie-in. Instead, the writers given the gig somehow...and God knows that looking at the toy in the first place, I don't see the inspiration..............and made it a very dark, very somber, and very moving epic saga about a man giving up his humanity to fight a great intergalactic evil... and coming to Earth to finish the war. My point is dude, you may think TRANSFORMERS as a film is as best as it can be done. Me, I don't know how I would have done TF...but surely a good movie of some kind could be shot from that material. Now G.I. JOE, I know how I would have done that suckah..... Oh, and you don't know...after all this time...why I hated TF? (1) Too Many Cuts - An editor on THE ROCK talked of how after he hauled ass in cutting that movie, Bay then took that edit and had commercial/music video editors cut it even more. You may argue, "well, doesn't Paul Greengrass cut as much as Bay"? The difference between the two is that Greengrass' cuts follow the momentum of an event, keeping our eyes glued to the screen and on the edge of our seats. He cuts alot, but never too much.With Bay, he's notorius for taking anything exciting...car chase, gun fight, whatever.....and easily making it boring because he cuts so much, our minds try to keep up with the action, but eventually we just give up. A funny, if unsubstantiated, report from last year was that Steven Spielberg saw Bay's final edit...and complained that it gave him a damn headache. If the report is to be believed, he had his editing monkeys take Bay's cut and greatly reduce the Anti-Christ's usual editing nonsense. It's probably why its Bay's best-cut movie yet.... (2) Emo Kid - I generally can't stand movies where a teen boy whines after a girl's affections, or whatever emo-angst nonsense. God knows it doesn't make your hero more "emotional" or deep, but simply of a puss bucket. (3) "You don't choose the car, the car chooses you" - How, my crappy-ass 1997 Subaru Outback picked me? Err, Wow.....I knew Bay's car-fetish was odd, but damn this is ridiculous. (4) The Humor - How old are you Perry? (5) Perverted Robot - Is it me, or was that ending just...disturbing? Then again, maybe its because I generally don't dig people watching me do the nasty, especially alien robots....that Prime is a freaky guy, aint he? (6) Voice-Over Openings - I almost always hate this storytelling device. It's as lazy as Chris Masters is as a ring-worker, and it renders mutethe discovery that the audience itself could have had with the story's development. (7) $200+ million Teaser Trailer? - Is it me, or did the movie feel like simply a trailer for the sequel? Then again, I thought the same of Singer's X-MEN and MEN IN BLACK, and I liked them......
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 28, 2008 5:56:53 GMT -5
(1) Too Many Cuts - An editor on THE ROCK talked of how after he hauled ass in cutting that movie, Bay then took that edit and had commercial/music video editors cut it even more. You may argue, "well, doesn't Paul Greengrass cut as much as Bay"? The difference between the two is that Greengrass' cuts follow the momentum of an event, keeping our eyes glued to the screen and on the edge of our seats. He cuts alot, but never too much.With Bay, he's notorius for taking anything exciting...car chase, gun fight, whatever.....and easily making it boring because he cuts so much, our minds try to keep up with the action, but eventually we just give up. A funny, if unsubstantiated, report from last year was that Steven Spielberg saw Bay's final edit...and complained that it gave him a damn headache. If the report is to be believed, he had his editing monkeys take Bay's cut and greatly reduce the Anti-Christ's usual editing nonsense. It's probably why its Bay's best-cut movie yet.... I agree with that. Its one of the cons I listed in my previous posts. That's a matter of opinion. I was worried about exactly what you have described, but I think LeBoeuf pulled it off brilliantly. At no point did I find him overly irritating. He was mildly annoying at points, but so was Spike Whitwicky from the original cartoon. As far as I was concerned, that line, though used heavily in the promotion, was easily forgotten as the story progressed. But then again, why shouldn't a sentient car choose its driver, especially when the driver has something it needs. I'm sure you're Subaru hasn't got an agenda of its own, does it? I mentioned this as a con in my previous post, albeit not specifically as 'humour'. It was cliched and for cheap laughs. I could have done without it. Still, it was funnier than 'comedy films' like that parody film of Superman Returns, Pirates 3 etc. I even forget its name. You answered your own question. Robots do not have human sexual desire. No different from a frog in a pond watching humans romp on the shore. Would anyone care? But I agree, Bumblebee is a pervert. Don't think Prime cared to be honest. Again, a matter of opinion. I think it set the stage for an immediate robot attack at the military base, instead of explaining things in a storyline that could take half the film before we see a robot. It wasn't $200+ million. It was $149 million, with Bay giving up 30% of his fee so that they could maintain budget for shooting in California with his veteran crew, instead of the cheaper Australia or Canada with another crew, as the studio suggested. Was it a teaser to the studio to break the bank (like WB did with Singer's Superman Returns 250 million, but cut it drastically for the sequel, as it didn't give them back the returns they expected) for a sequel? Most definitely. Given its success, more big robots in 2009 ;D
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Post by rra on Jan 28, 2008 6:05:50 GMT -5
It wasn't $200+ million. It was $149 million, with Bay giving up 30% of his fee so that they could maintain budget for shooting in California with his veteran crew, instead of the cheaper Australia or Canada with another crew, as the studio suggested. Was it a teaser to the studio to break the bank (like WB did with Singer's Superman Returns 250 million, but cut it drastically for the sequel, as it didn't give them back the returns they expected) for a sequel? Most definitely. Given its success, more big robots in 2009 ;D So he says. I can't believe anything Bay says. Its not just because of my opinion regarding his movies, or for spending a ton of money without much of a quality return, but when it counts for him to open his mouth..............he goes out as a toesucker. Take that flap last year over Paramount's (short-lived) contract with HD-DVD. Bay threw a fit, ranted that he won't do a sequel over that deal.... Then backtracks, kisses the ass of that Microsoft technology, blah blah.....what an asshole. A better question is Perry.....what about the cost for the advertizing campaign?
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 28, 2008 6:12:54 GMT -5
A better question is Perry.....what about the cost for the advertizing campaign? I honestly don't know and don't care. Not my problem, is it? So he says. I can't believe anything Bay says. Its not just because of my opinion regarding his movies, or for spending a ton of money without much of a quality return, but when it counts for him to open his mouth..............he goes out as a toesucker. Take that flap last year over Paramount's (short-lived) contract with HD-DVD. Bay threw a fit, ranted that he won't do a sequel over that deal.... Then backtracks, kisses the ass of that Microsoft technology, blah blah.....what an asshole. Oh, I agree Bay is an ass. I gathered that much from his DVD commentary. But I don't hate his films. I wouldn't call him a liar either. Much like my opinion of Warrior and The Ultimate Warrior wrestling matches.
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Post by tomservo23 on Jan 28, 2008 11:03:05 GMT -5
See, I never got the midichlorian hate. That explanation doesn't change anything about the Force, just that the ability to perceive is more genetic. It doesn't nullify anything Sir Alec said in his awesome speech about the Force. In fact, I think it makes it more "special", because the abillity is shared by only a few people. I mean, let's say that telepaths were real. Would it be more special if everyone and anyone could do it, or only a few people? It was an attempt to explain something that did not need explained, and it created a HUGE plot hole. If every kid in Republic space gets tested, then how did they NOT know that Palpatine had the potential to become a force user that not only can kill multiple jedis by himself, but could send Yoda himself scurrying off? Was Palpatine born in Naboo? I'm asking a honest question, I don't remember them saying that. I think it was implied, but not said. And I do agree with you, never thought about that plot hole, but honestly, I've never heard a midichlorian hater use that reason for the hate. From what I've read from other forums, it's almost like they think it takes away THEIR chance of being a force user, like they're way too involved in the movie.
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Post by tomservo23 on Jan 28, 2008 11:06:36 GMT -5
Although, how would they judge whether young ones had the potential to even get the training? (Not every planet has a pod race I imagine.) It raises a question that needs an answer, I guess Lucas didn't answer it in a satisfactory manner.
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Post by texaswhopper on Jan 28, 2008 11:21:22 GMT -5
Cobra with Sylvester Stallone. Its good action and people just don't get it. They pass it off as one of Stallone's passive titles. It should not be treated that way.
Cobra is such a manly movie.
Teaching that crime is disease and death is the cure.
I especially like Stallone's crime triva opening in the begining.
"In America… there’s a burglary every 11 seconds... an armed robbery every 65 seconds... a violent crime every 25 seconds... a murder every 24 minutes... and 250 rapes a day."
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Post by rra on Jan 28, 2008 11:28:36 GMT -5
Cobra with Sylvester Stallone. Its good action and people just don't get it. They pass it off as one of Stallone's passive titles. It should not be treated that way. Cobra is such a manly movie. Teaching that crime is disease and death is the cure. I especially like Stallone's crime triva opening in the begining. "In America… there’s a burglary every 11 seconds... an armed robbery every 65 seconds... a violent crime every 25 seconds... a murder every 24 minutes... and 250 rapes a day." COBRA is damn stupid as hell. No wonder he was told to buzz off BEVERLY HILLS COP after Stallone wanted BHC to be what COBRA ended up being. It's a silly DIRTY HARRY-wannabe, but without Clint's awesome graceful charisma, and frank pulptry. A man has got to know his limits, and Stallone didn't in the 80s. Also, whats with the evil cult in COBRA? OK, its a bunch of mullet people wanting anarchy, but why? Hell, why is it even organized in the first place? That's like an Anarchist Political Party. *RRA shakes his head*
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 28, 2008 11:46:32 GMT -5
Cobra with Sylvester Stallone. Its good action and people just don't get it. They pass it off as one of Stallone's passive titles. It should not be treated that way. Cobra is such a manly movie. Teaching that crime is disease and death is the cure. I especially like Stallone's crime triva opening in the begining. "In America… there’s a burglary every 11 seconds... an armed robbery every 65 seconds... a violent crime every 25 seconds... a murder every 24 minutes... and 250 rapes a day." COBRA is damn stupid as hell. No wonder he was told to buzz off BEVERLY HILLS COP after Stallone wanted BHC to be what COBRA ended up being. It's a silly DIRTY HARRY-wannabe, but without Clint's awesome graceful charisma, and frank pulptry. A man has got to know his limits, and Stallone didn't in the 80s. Also, whats with the evil cult in COBRA? OK, its a bunch of mullet people wanting anarchy, but why? Hell, why is it even organized in the first place? That's like an Anarchist Political Party. *RRA shakes his head* I always liked the opening to COBRA, but never the rest of the movie...
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