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Post by xombiehiphop on May 29, 2008 21:37:42 GMT -5
I loathe Mencia for reasons other people have stated. But, in reguards to Joe Rogan, while I've never seen any of his stand up, he's a hell of a commentator for the UFC.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 29, 2008 21:39:38 GMT -5
People love Carlos Mencia because they're not familiar with guys like Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffir. Yeah, because one person cannot possibly like more than one form of comedy. Just because you or I do not like something, doesn't make we're superior to them. And vice versa. Having said that, I enjoy Mencia's comedy. I think he has a hilarious delivery, and he's able to entertain me. I've seen him live, and he put one a great show. Do his jokes on TV weigh heavily on "Mexicans"? Sure they do. Would anyone tune in to watch jokes made about "Hondurans"? Most likely not. Society doesn't want that. And if people say that society does, just look at the ratings that Mind of Mencia is getting at the present time. I don't like Mencia myself, but Meat is right and I agree with Slim in the fact that Joe Rogan isn't the funniest guy either. The only thing I've ever liked Rogan in is News Radio.
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Post by Captain Wonderful on May 29, 2008 21:41:44 GMT -5
People love Carlos Mencia because they're not familiar with guys like Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffir. Yeah, because one person cannot possibly like more than one form of comedy. You've missed the point here. The reason people can't like Carlos Mencia and also be familiar with Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffer is that Carlos Mencia steals jokes from Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffer. Also, here's a classic: Carlos getting caught using stolen jokes while defending himself against stealing jokes.Brilliant move, Ned.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 29, 2008 21:47:08 GMT -5
Yeah, because one person cannot possibly like more than one form of comedy. You've missed the point here. The reason people can't like Carlos Mencia and also be familiar with Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffer is that Carlos Mencia steals jokes from Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffer. Then this poster also missed the point... People love Carlos Mencia because they're not familiar with guys like Bill Cosby and Ari Shaffir. Or Richard Pryor, or Lenny Bruce, or even Mitch Hedberg.......the list of superior comedians could go on and on and on. And honestly, there is only so many jokes out there. Everyone grabs material from others, knowingly or not. Can they all make it funny though? That is the subjective part.
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Post by Captain Wonderful on May 29, 2008 21:53:18 GMT -5
Everyone grabs material from others, knowingly or not. Duuuuuuude, you can't defend Carlos Mencia stealing a bit, word-for-word from BILL f***ING COSBY. You just can't. It's astounding that he, not only did that, but expected to get away with it. Not only that, here he is jacking material from Morgan Murphy as well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFCy1syW8Nc
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Post by NIXON on May 29, 2008 21:57:30 GMT -5
Before I knew he his real name was Ned Holness, before I knew about him stealing from everyone and their brother, I remember thinking, Man, this is one painfully unfunny mother f***er. That's the thought that sticks with me. He can steal whatever he wants, he's still terrible IMO.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 29, 2008 22:01:09 GMT -5
Everyone grabs material from others, knowingly or not. Duuuuuuude, you can't defend Carlos Mencia stealing a bit, word-for-word from BILL smurfING COSBY. You just can't. It's astounding that he, not only did that, but expected to get away with it. Not only that, here he is jacking material from Morgan Murphy as well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFCy1syW8NcSomeone COULD be familiar to them both and just prefer Carlos's style however. I admit, it wouldn't be me as I love the Cos, but it can happen. Opinions... we all have one.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 29, 2008 22:03:30 GMT -5
That was about a skit on his TV show. Just so you know, as far as TV shows are concerned, different ideas are pitched, and they are brainstormed from there. That instance doesn't really prove that he's stealing himself. So is it wrong to watch the movie Aristocrats, since that is basically the same joke over and over again, by different comics? Are they all stealing? Everyone grabs material from others, knowingly or not. Duuuuuuude, you can't defend Carlos Mencia stealing a bit, word-for-word from BILL smurfING COSBY. You just can't. It's astounding that he, not only did that, but expected to get away with it. Not only that, here he is jacking material from Morgan Murphy as well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFCy1syW8NcThe Cosby bit wasn't "word-for-word." You don't like Mencia, that's great. Nothing wrong with that. Humor is subjective, you know.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 29, 2008 22:07:28 GMT -5
That was about a skit on his TV show. Just so you know, as far as TV shows are concerned, different ideas are pitched, and they are brainstormed from there. That instance doesn't really prove that he's stealing himself. So is it wrong to watch the movie Aristocrats, since that is basically the same joke over and over again, by different comics? Are they all stealing? Bad example. The beauty of The Aristocrats is that it's told differently by every single person who tells it. Mencia lifts jokes nearly word-for-word. Not the same thing. Cracked.com had a great sarcastic article about Mencia, and how he's a superior comic due to his ability to put on a comedy show without ever actually telling any jokes. ;D
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Post by teamjd on May 29, 2008 22:07:48 GMT -5
So is it wrong to watch the movie Aristocrats, since that is basically the same joke over and over again, by different comics? Are they all stealing? As long as someone says that something isn't their joke, ie this movie, then I don't see a problem with it.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 29, 2008 22:09:54 GMT -5
That was about a skit on his TV show. Just so you know, as far as TV shows are concerned, different ideas are pitched, and they are brainstormed from there. That instance doesn't really prove that he's stealing himself. So is it wrong to watch the movie Aristocrats, since that is basically the same joke over and over again, by different comics? Are they all stealing? Bad example. The beauty of The Aristocrats is that it's told differently by every single person who tells it. Mencia lifts jokes nearly word-for-word. Not the same thing. Cracked.com had a great sarcastic article about Mencia, and how he's a superior comic due to his ability to put on a comedy show without ever actually telling any jokes. ;D Eh, first thing that popped into my head. I really don't want to argue about comedy. Like Jessica Rabbit said "he makes me laugh." Not that I want to have sexual relations with Carlos Mencia or anything.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 29, 2008 22:12:15 GMT -5
I liked his original Comedy Central Presents:(Although, on repeated watching, his little sermon at the end gets more annoying the more times I see it), and I think there are a few episodes of Mind of Mencia that are watcheable, but on the whole, dude's just not funny. You can't make your entire act "I SAY BEANER REALLY LOUD A LOT, BUT I'M HISPANIC, SO IT'S FUNNY", and that's what he does. It just doesn't do it for me.
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Post by DSR on May 29, 2008 22:12:41 GMT -5
As terrible as joke-thievery is, I'm more put off by Carlos using stereotypes as jokes, rather than using a stereotype as the starting point for a joke. His schtick just feels like:
"Black people love fried chicken! Am I right, black people? Oh my god, I can't believe he said that!"
And then everyone acts as though he's actually told a joke. Take a race, insert a stereotype about that race, and then act like you've just been daring and provocative. That's what bothers me.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 29, 2008 22:13:23 GMT -5
Everyone seems to be arguing about two different things here.
One group is arguing that Mencia steals groups.
Meat is arguing that humor is subjective and he finds his style and delivery funny.
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Post by invaderdave on May 29, 2008 22:15:43 GMT -5
I have a problem with anyone who goes out of their way to be "The bad boy of comedy."
How he hasn't gone the way of Andrew Dice Clay, I don't know, but its coming.
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Post by DSR on May 29, 2008 22:16:51 GMT -5
Everyone seems to be arguing about two different things here. One group is arguing that Mencia steals groups. Meat is arguing that humor is subjective and he finds his style and delivery funny. For the record, I'm not arguing. I merely made a statement about what I don't like. And you can take or leave that statement as you please. ;D
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 29, 2008 22:16:56 GMT -5
Everyone seems to be arguing about two different things here. One group is arguing that Mencia steals groups. Meat is arguing that humor is subjective and he finds his style and delivery funny. Where the hell is this Hispania that I always read about?
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Post by Captain Wonderful on May 29, 2008 22:26:16 GMT -5
The Cosby bit wasn't "word-for-word." So, what, that makes it OK? Let's say I were to get rich and famous for being a funny redneck in a sleeveless flannel shirt, and my slogan was "let's get it done!" I would be infinitely berated for being a cheap knockoff of an established product. But it's OK because it's clearly not the same thing? I will say this. Stealing a joke from Bill Cosby is one thing, and no matter how you slice it, he stole it. He stole it; you can't just coincidentally come up with a bit that a stand-up pioneer just happened to perform 25 years ago. I'll be the first to admit that there are probably a thousand comics out there that are unknowingly performing the same material as someone else, because, like you said, everything has been done already. What sucks, what smurfing sucks about Carlos Mencia is that he steals material from guys who DON'T have their own TV show and HBO specials and DVDs and CDs and headlining tours, guys who have to work to be able to do comedy, guys like Ari Shaffer, guys like Bobby Lee (because, let's face it, that crazy Mad TV money probably hasn't quite bought him a palatial estate in the Hollywood hills). He takes a bit that they wrote and performs it on his show, and, guess what? They can't use that bit any more, because people already saw Carlos Mencia do it. It's not about whether or not I like the guy or think he's funny. It's about him undeservedly getting rich and famous off of other people's crap.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on May 29, 2008 22:28:26 GMT -5
Where the hell is this Hispania that I always read about? Portugal, Spain, Andorra, Gibraltar and a very small southern part of France
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Post by Chainsaw on May 29, 2008 22:39:43 GMT -5
"If this is anyone other than Steve Allen, you're stealing my bit!"
Great, now I have an image of Carlos Mencia dressed as Krusty The Clown.
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