bigHEADinc
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Post by bigHEADinc on Feb 23, 2008 4:02:49 GMT -5
What's ironic? Rock never walked out on the company and had been ridiculously loyal for a very long time. The Rock has done nothing but help the wrestling world.
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Post by wrestlecrap rookie of the year on Feb 23, 2008 5:32:05 GMT -5
yeah dude...we knew the rock was leaving.....austin just disappeared
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Post by Loki on Feb 23, 2008 5:56:23 GMT -5
Yeah nice promo...
WWE in his blood, the people's walker, the fire, the passion, this is home... all forgotten for a fat Hollywood paycheck and a career as "movie star".
Austin suffered a serious injury and yet came back for more action. Rock moved on as soon as he was given the chance.
His choice, fine, but it irks me seeing how much respect he's still getting and how many people want him back... He pulled a Lesnar before Lesnar did that, but since he's the People's Champ [cue 6 other silly nicknames] all can be forgiven.
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Post by BxB on Feb 23, 2008 6:05:19 GMT -5
Yeah nice promo... WWE in his blood, the people's walker, the fire, the passion, this is home... all forgotten for a fat Hollywood paycheck and a career as "movie star". Austin suffered a serious injury and yet came back for more action. Rock moved on as soon as he was given the chance. His choice, fine, but it irks me seeing how much respect he's still getting and how many people want him back... He pulled a Lesnar before Lesnar did that, but since he's the People's Champ [cue 6 other silly nicknames] all can be forgiven. Are you serious, dude? The guy put over Lesnar, Hurricane, Goldberg and Evolution before leaving. Who did Austin put over? The guy threw a hissy fit, when he was told he was told to put Lesnar and Coach over. Coach, I can understand but it's pretty ironic how Austin gets no heat for walking out of advertised matches, while guys like Rock who actually helped the business on their way out are labeled as "sell outs". |
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Post by wrestlecrap rookie of the year on Feb 23, 2008 6:26:06 GMT -5
quote] Are you serious, dude? The guy put over Lesnar, Hurricane, Goldberg and Evolution before leaving. Who did Austin put over? The guy threw a hissy fit, when he was told he was told to put Lesnar and Coach over. Coach, I can understand but it's pretty ironic how Austin gets no heat for walking out of advertised matches, while guys like Rock who actually helped the business on their way out are labeled as "sell outs".[/quote]
-austin we are gonna need you to put someone over....-
austin - wahhh wahhh wahhhh wahhhhh (slaps debra)
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Feb 23, 2008 6:48:40 GMT -5
To be fair to Austin I don't think he - or any wrestler really - has a problem putting another guy over. Austin just wanted it to be in the right circumstances. Austin vs Brock would have been huge, but would have had very little build. If Austin is losing, it shouldn't come out of the blue, as that just harms Austin's crediblity too much, and Austin does still need to be credible as well. If the match had good build up Austin would have done it no problem.
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Post by Brick Killed a Guy on Feb 23, 2008 6:59:33 GMT -5
What's funny about calling Rock's departure "pulling a Lesnar" is that to sell out is to give up one's values for more money.
By that definition, Rock did "sell out" if he indeed loved wrestling.
Lesnar was leaving a million dollar guaranteed contract to try out for an NFL team and earn hundreds of thousands of dollars LESS than he did in WWE. Oh, and that NFL money is not guaranteed. You still have to make the team first.
That being said, I don't hold anything against the Rock for what he did. You get paid more for less risk of injury. I would take that in a second, and many of those calling Rock a sell out would do the same.
Plus, he'd rather be known as Dwayne Johnson now. And I respect that because it shows he wants to depend less on the wrestling business now. Some might call it "biting the hand that fed you". I think it would be worse if he came back for a match each time one of his movies bombed. Then he'd be using the business, and using us fans.
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Post by George Harrison on Feb 23, 2008 7:19:13 GMT -5
imo,
The Rock is doing exactly what Hogan wanted to do.
Except, Dwayne Johnson is succeeding.
The rock wrestled for WWE for what, 8 years? Made it to the top of his game, (Just listen to how the crowd reacting to him in this video,) & went out on a massive high & on the way did whatever was asked of him. There is no bitter taste in the mouths of anybody actually involved in the WWE, sure they miss him & would want him back but there is no bad blood between the company & him, nor the other wrestlers. Its funny though, if this WAS Austin, this thread would be completely switched to the fans saying HE sold out & The Rock, still in WWE, stayed because of his love for the business.
I'm sure Rocky still loves it, just now he gets to go home or at least go back to where his kids are on a regular basis. He wraps up a movie & does the promotion, then that's it for six months or so, in wrestling its constant & non-stop - I think he just wanted to leave all that behind.
If you had put up with seeing your wife & children say, roughly, a hundred days of a year, & then travelling pretty much every single night & risking injury &, to an extent, being constantly judged by people for how you performed, & then you were given a massive get out clause through something you enjoy doing that you're also pretty good at, but without all travel & stress that come with wrestling, & plus a lot more money & oppertunites, wouldn't you take it?
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Post by Mecca on Feb 23, 2008 7:25:55 GMT -5
Considering how many guys wrestling has chewed up and spit out and left with nothing. We should all be happy for The Rock and grateful we got to see him. He is probably the greatest all around performer we will ever know.
I think people who remember him and look back now appreciate him alot more than they did at the time they saw him every week. Back then I remember some people being annoyed with him at times.....when you look back now it's nothing but fond memories of how good that guy was now that he's been gone.
If you think the WWE, the business in general or Vince gives a shit how those guys end up, you are holding onto to way to much hope, The Rock used the business he didn't let it use him, smart man.
I'd also like to add The Rock as a wrestler was maybe the only guy that ever achieved his level of success yet had no problem jobbing to anyone and never bitched about anything.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 23, 2008 7:28:42 GMT -5
To be fair to Austin I don't think he - or any wrestler really - has a problem putting another guy over. Austin just wanted it to be in the right circumstances. Austin vs Brock would have been huge, but would have had very little build. If Austin is losing, it shouldn't come out of the blue, as that just harms Austin's crediblity too much, and Austin does still need to be credible as well. If the match had good build up Austin would have done it no problem. I disagree, I didn't think it did any harm to him to do it. Hogan jobbed to Lesnar clean on TV and it didn't hurt him. Austin's intentions were admirable but it wasn't up to him. |
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Post by Mecca on Feb 23, 2008 7:31:10 GMT -5
To be fair to Austin I don't think he - or any wrestler really - has a problem putting another guy over. Austin just wanted it to be in the right circumstances. Austin vs Brock would have been huge, but would have had very little build. If Austin is losing, it shouldn't come out of the blue, as that just harms Austin's crediblity too much, and Austin does still need to be credible as well. If the match had good build up Austin would have done it no problem. I disagree, I didn't think it did any harm to him to do it. Hogan jobbed to Lesnar clean on TV and it didn't hurt him. Austin's intentions were admirable but it wasn't up to him. Once you get to a certain level you are bullet proof, Rock got it while basically 99% of other guys in that spot never got that. |
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Post by angryfan on Feb 23, 2008 7:31:57 GMT -5
I can agree with Austin's sentiment about "if we do it like this, we blow a chance to make serious money", but if the company says "this is what we need you to do" then it's probably a good idea to go ahead, since you wind up screwing the guy over who you were supposed to put over rather than helping him.
Far as The Rock goes, hey, he was given a chance to work far less, spend more time with his family, do something he enjoys, not put so much stress on himself physically, and make more money. That's very hard to pass up, no matter how much passion you may have for your current job.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 23, 2008 9:57:13 GMT -5
Yeah nice promo... WWE in his blood, the people's walker, the fire, the passion, this is home... all forgotten for a fat Hollywood paycheck and a career as "movie star". Austin suffered a serious injury and yet came back for more action. Rock moved on as soon as he was given the chance. His choice, fine, but it irks me seeing how much respect he's still getting and how many people want him back... He pulled a Lesnar before Lesnar did that, but since he's the People's Champ [cue 6 other silly nicknames] all can be forgiven. Agreed 100% And what's even funnier about this promo is that the Rock was gone after a few months, came back in 03 for another few months and again took off only coming back breifly in 04 for the Mania match against Evolution. I also understand it was his decision, but this promo just seems disingenuine in hindsight |
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Post by probable on Feb 23, 2008 10:22:41 GMT -5
If I had the chance to provide more money for my family (without the risk of injury) I would do it.
Some people are just too geeky to see this however.
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Post by tarheelfan on Feb 23, 2008 10:25:49 GMT -5
In 20/20 hindsight the video seems awkward. But the reality is that life is not just in black and white but occasionally throws in shades of grey. Today, I might be content with my job but tomorrow a better offer and circumstance may come that I may never have forseen. Loyalty is an admirable and great virtue but in the real world it is not like that black and white concept but a shade of grey.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 23, 2008 10:27:51 GMT -5
If I had the chance to provide more money for my family (without the risk of injury) I would do it. Some people are just too geeky to see this however. Way to flame people. Always the best way to make a point. I understand his thinking, but that doesnt mean I also cant have the opinion that he's a bit of a hypocrite |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Feb 23, 2008 10:41:53 GMT -5
Rock only wrestled full time from 97-00. After Wrestlemania 17 in 2001 was when he started taking his hiatus' for movies. Austin started off in like 1990. Yeah Rocky came back to "save" us in 02 for what 2 months when he cut this promo? Then came back in 03 for about 3 months, then 04 maybe a month? Give me a break Austin gave so much more than Rock ever did to the business. As soon as Austin came back in 2003 he put the Rock over so he hardly has a problem jobbing. I still have a problem with that being Austin's last match because it was not the way he should have gone out.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 23, 2008 11:16:17 GMT -5
Rock only wrestled full time from 97-00. After Wrestlemania 17 in 2001 was when he started taking his hiatus' for movies. Austin started off in like 1990. Yeah Rocky came back to "save" us in 02 for what 2 months when he cut this promo? Then came back in 03 for about 3 months, then 04 maybe a month? Give me a break Austin gave so much more than Rock ever did to the business. As soon as Austin came back in 2003 he put the Rock over so he hardly has a problem jobbing. I still have a problem with that being Austin's last match because it was not the way he should have gone out. Perhaps it wasn't, but there wasn't a whole lot Austin could do about it with his back injury and all. |
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Post by dh03grad on Feb 23, 2008 14:20:53 GMT -5
Rock only wrestled full time from 97-00. After Wrestlemania 17 in 2001 was when he started taking his hiatus' for movies. Austin started off in like 1990. Yeah Rocky came back to "save" us in 02 for what 2 months when he cut this promo? Then came back in 03 for about 3 months, then 04 maybe a month? Give me a break Austin gave so much more than Rock ever did to the business. As soon as Austin came back in 2003 he put the Rock over so he hardly has a problem jobbing. I still have a problem with that being Austin's last match because it was not the way he should have gone out. In those returns, Rock put people over each time, big. Rock could have left for good as soon as he made Scorpion King. Putting people over on your way out is a major rule of wrestling. Austin walked out instead of doing what he was paid to do. Rock never walked out on the company on short notice, so I fail to see the hypocrisy at all/ |
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Feb 23, 2008 14:49:01 GMT -5
Rock only wrestled full time from 97-00. After Wrestlemania 17 in 2001 was when he started taking his hiatus' for movies. Austin started off in like 1990. Yeah Rocky came back to "save" us in 02 for what 2 months when he cut this promo? Then came back in 03 for about 3 months, then 04 maybe a month? Give me a break Austin gave so much more than Rock ever did to the business. As soon as Austin came back in 2003 he put the Rock over so he hardly has a problem jobbing. I still have a problem with that being Austin's last match because it was not the way he should have gone out. YOu are forgetting that Austin walked out not once, BUT TWICE. He walked out becasue he refused to work with Scott Hall, and then Lesnar. The Rock > Austin in terms of professionalism. |
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