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Post by greeby on Mar 21, 2008 17:59:28 GMT -5
Have I stepped into a time warp or something? It seems just about every week on Smackdown and ECW these days there's a complete squash match with jobbers you've never heard of. That was what I used to watch back in 1991 when Sky One would show Wrestling Challenge and Superstars back-to-back on Saturday lunchtimes. I thought we'd seen the last of it.
Are the rosters really that weak?
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Mar 21, 2008 18:01:31 GMT -5
i disagree with the no name part
guys like Colt Cabana and James Curtis are more well known than the whole of the undercard because they are (or were) jobbed out so much
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Post by Robbymac on Mar 21, 2008 18:01:53 GMT -5
I would prefer they bring them back. They won't for obvious reasons, but it makes pay per view matches seem more special.
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Post by The G.O.A.T. on Mar 21, 2008 18:03:28 GMT -5
There is no monday night war anymore no harm in the squashes
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Post by joeman on Mar 21, 2008 18:05:21 GMT -5
Have I stepped into a time warp or something? It seems just about every week on Smackdown and ECW these days there's a complete squash match with jobbers you've never heard of. That was what I used to watch back in 1991 when Sky One would show Wrestling Challenge and Superstars back-to-back on Saturday lunchtimes. I thought we'd seen the last of it. Are the rosters really that weak? How is this a bad thing now?
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Post by bubbles on Mar 21, 2008 18:07:46 GMT -5
More of them need bad mullets.
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Post by mysterydriver on Mar 21, 2008 18:10:31 GMT -5
Have I stepped into a time warp or something? It seems just about every week on Smackdown and ECW these days there's a complete squash match with jobbers you've never heard of. That was what I used to watch back in 1991 when Sky One would show Wrestling Challenge and Superstars back-to-back on Saturday lunchtimes. I thought we'd seen the last of it. Are the rosters really that weak? How is this a bad thing now? That is what I was wondering. I still remember Umaga's mauling of numerous jobbers around the time of his debut. Really awesome. Also, Big Daddy V stepping up from one to two to three jobbers in successive weeks made me chuckle. Made him look destructive
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Post by joeman on Mar 21, 2008 18:12:23 GMT -5
Rob van Dam likes jobber matches to come back on television too, so wrestlers are in support of this.
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Post by greeby on Mar 21, 2008 18:28:09 GMT -5
Because I'd like the guy on the other side of the ring to at least pose some threat and have some chance of winning. It takes valuable TV time away from either having another compettive match or let an already booked one go a little longer (especially on ECW, with the dumb 5 matches in an hour booking)
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Post by Loki on Mar 21, 2008 18:30:03 GMT -5
I'm all for the comeback of squash matches. At least to an extent.
New guys NEED to establish themselves and their arsenal of moves against weak opponents, before being booked in feuds against other Superstars.
If you have to job, let's say Carlito or DH Smith to New Guy #593, you'll then need to book Carlito or Smith going over some other guy to have him regain momentum, etc etc.
No-name (or almost no-name) jobbers are needed in this time when Superstar v Superstar isn't actually mandatory anymore.
I've said that for years now: keep the weekly shows to push the midcarders against jobbers or curtain jerkers, with a midcarder v upper midcarder as "main event", limiting the main eventers' appeareances to promos or a sparse tag team match.
That'll make PPV look better, while not affecting the weekly shows' ratings that much.
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Post by joeman on Mar 21, 2008 18:34:59 GMT -5
Because I'd like the guy on the other side of the ring to at least pose some threat and have some chance of winning. It takes valuable TV time away from either having another compettive match or let an already booked one go a little longer (especially on ECW, with the dumb 5 matches in an hour booking) But that would make ppv matches less special. Not only having squash matches is a good thing, but there is a good chance that WWE can increase their buyrates.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 21, 2008 18:36:27 GMT -5
I like it to an extent. For ECW it works great. They are about trying to build up guys and this is a great way to do it. Three or 4 "squash" matches and then 1 or 2 matches that the bigger names are in is good for them and makes the show fun to me.
On Smackdown! and RAW, I don't mind them but, would prefer most not be "squash" matches. I do understand some of the reasoning behind it, in that they don't want (or need) to give away huge matches every week but, do need to keep guys on TV and storylines moving.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 21, 2008 18:41:20 GMT -5
I can deal with an occasional one, even one or so per show.. but I NEVER wanna see it go back to the old days where that was the majority of your television show. That'd never hold my interest as an adult.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2008 18:55:37 GMT -5
I'm in favour of bring a couple back per show myself
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Post by wwerules60 on Mar 21, 2008 19:10:16 GMT -5
Squash matches are boring as hell and I don't want them back. Whoopie we get to build another generic "monster" who will eventually lose to Cena or Triple H in a boring match.
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Post by lockedontarget on Mar 21, 2008 19:10:44 GMT -5
Yuck, squash matches SUCK.
Give me a competitive match please.
If this continues, it's going to turn me of WWE TV even more than I already am.
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Post by joeman on Mar 21, 2008 19:13:58 GMT -5
Yuck, squash matches SUCK. Give me a competitive match please. If this continues, it's going to turn me of WWE TV even more than I already am. Actually reason WWE is oversaturated is becuase of big matches being brought in tv imo. If they save the stuff in ppv then it would make the matches more special.
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Post by Loki on Mar 21, 2008 19:21:21 GMT -5
Yuck, squash matches SUCK. Give me a competitive match please. If this continues, it's going to turn me of WWE TV even more than I already am. Competitive matches on weekly shows KILLED wrestling. That formula works either in an overly aggressive market, or for companies with no weekly tv slots. WWE can't run around 170 televised shows (weekly+PPVs) and present competitive matches without oversaturating the market and without sacrificing the "special" feeling of the matches. Back in the day, Koko B. Ware v Rick Martel was a great addition to a weekly Wrestling Challenge show, Nowadays Charlie Haas v Santin would get an overwhelming silence, and a 0.x rating. Back then, PPVs were special, and every performer got his reaction. Nowadays, PPVs look average most of the time, and the fans crap on most of the matches. What's best?
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Post by greeby on Mar 21, 2008 19:22:58 GMT -5
Yuck, squash matches SUCK. Give me a competitive match please. If this continues, it's going to turn me of WWE TV even more than I already am. Actually reason WWE is oversaturated is becuase of big matches being brought in tv imo. If they save the stuff in ppv then it would make the matches more special. There are plenty of people on the lower and midcard whose PPV opportunities are few and far between who could pad out the free TV more if they were given the chance. Right now, it's a case of no push = no TV time
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Post by joeman on Mar 21, 2008 19:25:47 GMT -5
Actually reason WWE is oversaturated is becuase of big matches being brought in tv imo. If they save the stuff in ppv then it would make the matches more special. There are plenty of people on the lower and midcard whose PPV opportunities are few and far between who could pad out the free TV more if they were given the chance. Right now, it's a case of no push = no TV time That is how it was in the Rock N Roll Era of Wrestling, but even the low to mid card wrestlers had crowd reactions and recognition when fighting jobbers.
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