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Post by kitsunestar on Dec 27, 2008 19:07:43 GMT -5
Cue the picture of HHH when he did his "Barbarian King" entrance (with crown and throne) at Wrestlemania... The point is that if people can criticise Danielson for his gimmick then why should others get away with theirs. It's not Bryan's fault that fans really get into the gimmick. It just proves what a talent he really is when he can make a crazy claim like that and have people buy into it. Who really cares about whether he wrestles for the big leagues or not. I personally prefer him over just about anyone in either WWE or TNA. But that's just my opinion. I've never heard Bryan ever state he's above anyone in wrestling, let alone WWE or TNA, and honestly this guy just sounds bitter. Except if I had any money to bet, I'd bet all of it on the "article" being smarkbait.
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Post by The Line on Dec 27, 2008 19:11:50 GMT -5
Like usual, I agree exactly with what Hmark said.
and to the poster who I accused of being 17, sorry. just read the wrong thing, I guess. my mistake.
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Post by Mac on Dec 27, 2008 19:25:25 GMT -5
Why would a guy whos in such high power in the WWE need to remain anonymous? Afraid of retrubution from Danielson?
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Post by The Line on Dec 27, 2008 19:26:24 GMT -5
Why would a guy whos in such high power in the WWE need to remain anonymous? Afraid of retrubution from Danielson? possibly from HBK?
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Post by Mr. Nice on Dec 27, 2008 19:32:32 GMT -5
Amen. I hate when people post Danielson in the same level as Benoit, Flair, Hart etc., WTF has Brian Danielson done only put on a couple of "MOTY's" with some nobodies not even the casual WWE audience would recognize? Until you make it to the WWE, you have nothing. No matter how many smarks say otherwise.
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Post by King of Fighters on Dec 27, 2008 19:32:36 GMT -5
Why would a guy whos in such high power in the WWE need to remain anonymous? Afraid of retrubution from Danielson? HBK, Regal, and Kendrik probably wouldn't like it much if someone talks crap about a colleague.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 27, 2008 19:34:28 GMT -5
Why would a guy whos in such high power in the WWE need to remain anonymous? Afraid of retrubution from Danielson? HBK, Regal, and Kendrik probably wouldn't like it much if someone talks crap about a colleague. I was about to put Cade, but i remembered that he was endeavored. Yeah I like the guy, but you know I'd like to see him in High Def, against some high calibur wrestler like Mark Henry, Seriously I think they could do some fun spots. Like Henry no selling an armbar and then slamming him in the the ring post with one arm.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Dec 27, 2008 19:37:56 GMT -5
$20 says that this was from Nigel McGuinness.
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Post by KLRA on Dec 27, 2008 19:42:09 GMT -5
HBK, Regal, and Kendrik probably wouldn't like it much if someone talks crap about a colleague. I was about to put Cade, but i remembered that he was endeavored. Yeah I like the guy, but you know I'd like to see him in High Def, against some high calibur wrestler like Mark Henry, Seriously I think they could do some fun spots. Like Henry no selling an armbar and then slamming him in the the ring post with one arm. That would be a seriously awesome match to watch. Daneilson's submission holds don't work against Henry because the man's to strong...so he has to rethink his game plan. would be fun.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 27, 2008 19:57:18 GMT -5
Seriously there's no way he'd lock in a chicken wing, trap him for those elbows, or ground him.
I think that's what I'd like to see though. Danielson against guys he reallisticaly should have no chance against.
Mark Henry/Danielson would be awesome.
Hell i think Danielson could do some great stuff with guys like Swagger.
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Post by KLRA on Dec 27, 2008 20:01:02 GMT -5
Seriously there's no way he'd lock in a chicken wing, trap him for those elbows, or ground him. I think that's what I'd like to see though. Danielson against guys he reallisticaly should have no chance against. Mark Henry/Danielson would be awesome. Hell i think Danielson could do some great stuff with guys like Swagger. If Danielson could work out a realistic way to use his style to beat someone like Henry, I don't think anyone would have any problem calling him "Best In The World"
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Post by Loki on Dec 27, 2008 20:01:34 GMT -5
Smarkbait of the worst kind...
And, anyway, even assuming all that BS is true [why should a multi-millionaire WWE main eventer care about/be jealous of the "Best of the Rest"?], I totally share the Anonimous Superstar's view.
Danielson may be the bestest ever, but he's "the best" because he's been preaching to his own choir for most of his career...
Being the Top Star of minor league wrestling [and Japanese wrestling is a whole different world, so it doesn't even count as a term of comparison] is all fine, but until Indy God #5154165 can prove he's able to go in front of 20.000 fans who are NOT there to idolize him, and who will probably stop caring if he can't get them into the match, well.. he's less worth than Santino or Charlie Haas.
Danielson is more or less the size of The Brian Kendrick... That's more than enough to me to not take him seriously in a WWE ring. At least not at the God-like level his fans wish he would be booked.
Benoit? Pffft. It took him his entire career to get a decent-ish main event run, and he looked like he could kill you [and tragically he proved he could do it in real life too...]
AmDrag hasn't 1/10 of Benoit's "aura", and he's smaller than the smallest of the "small" Main Eventers of the past.
So, he and his fans can brag all they want about Danielson being the Best, but so far he's not even a tiny dot in the grand scheme of pro wrestling.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2008 21:24:19 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I can't grasp the "You didn't do it in WWE, it doesn't count" mentality.
Wrestling isn't baseball; in baseball, if you're a can't miss talent at the minor league level, you WILL be brought up to the majors one way or another, and nothing will stop it. Wrestling simply isn't the same, its an entirely different business.
Great wrestlers don't all go to the biggest company on the planet, because they may not fit the mold that the biggest company wants, or they may just not want to go, or whatever the hell else the reason is. Just because WWE:indies seem to offer a nice comparison to Major League:Minor League doesn't mean it's true, sorry.
Basically, stop trying to compare wrestling to just about anything else, since the circumstances that dictate who goes where in the wrestling business have no comparison with the sports world.
If I were going to compare it to anything else, I'd compare it maybe to the music industry; very often, the best in the world WILL make it to the big time and be some of the world's most popular acts, but, very often, the best, the guys who are remembered, etc., don't ever achieve that level of notoriety. Meanwhile, some performers who are good, but maybe don't produce what you'd call truly great music, but simply excel as performers with great shows, can reach the top.
See, that's not a knock on the pop music acts of the world, or the wrestlers who maybe aren't perfect in the ring but hit it big anyway. Those guys still need to have something about them that makes them marketable and popular, and they deserve credit for whatever it is. People can say what they will about John Cena, but the guy carries himself very well and isn't a bad performer by any stretch of the imagination.
But it's not a strange idea at all to say that Bryan Danielson may be a better pure wrestler and in-ring performer than him. It's a subjective argument, to be sure; nobody's opinion on it can be 100% truth, obviously. But just because Danielson chooses not to perform for Vince McMahon doesn't mean his ring work can't be compared to the greats who are on top of the 'E right now.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 27, 2008 21:29:50 GMT -5
And with this one topic on this this, Pro Wrestling Illustrated has become more relevant than at any point in the last 10 or so years.
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Post by The Line on Dec 27, 2008 21:38:09 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I can't grasp the "You didn't do it in WWE, it doesn't count" mentality. Wrestling isn't baseball; in baseball, if you're a can't miss talent at the minor league level, you WILL be brought up to the majors one way or another, and nothing will stop it. Wrestling simply isn't the same, its an entirely different business. Great wrestlers don't all go to the biggest company on the planet, because they may not fit the mold that the biggest company wants, or they may just not want to go, or whatever the hell else the reason is. Just because WWE:indies seem to offer a nice comparison to Major League:Minor League doesn't mean it's true, sorry. Basically, stop trying to compare wrestling to just about anything else, since the circumstances that dictate who goes where in the wrestling business have no comparison with the sports world. If I were going to compare it to anything else, I'd compare it maybe to the music industry; very often, the best in the world WILL make it to the big time and be some of the world's most popular acts, but, very often, the best, the guys who are remembered, etc., don't ever achieve that level of notoriety. Meanwhile, some performers who are good, but maybe don't produce what you'd call truly great music, but simply excel as performers with great shows, can reach the top. See, that's not a knock on the pop music acts of the world, or the wrestlers who maybe aren't perfect in the ring but hit it big anyway. Those guys still need to have something about them that makes them marketable and popular, and they deserve credit for whatever it is. People can say what they will about John Cena, but the guy carries himself very well and isn't a bad performer by any stretch of the imagination. But it's not a strange idea at all to say that Bryan Danielson may be a better pure wrestler and in-ring performer than him. It's a subjective argument, to be sure; nobody's opinion on it can be 100% truth, obviously. But just because Danielson chooses not to perform for Vince McMahon doesn't mean his ring work can't be compared to the greats who are on top of the 'E right now. Exactly. The Wrestling/Baseball comparison falls flat, since baseball they're just looking for the best hitters, fielders, and whatnot. With wrestling, you factor in looks, marketability, and a lot of other things. You'll never hear of a baseball player not getting called up because he doesn't have "the superstar look".
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Post by tap on Dec 27, 2008 22:07:36 GMT -5
How about Bollywood then? Bollywood has a HUGE market, a potential billion people, and yeah, even though the name plays off Hollywood, you don't hear stories about Bollywood stars going to LA to be legitimate. To me, it's the same kind of thing. There ARE other markets besides WWE when it comes to wrestling. Sure, WWE is the biggest show, but that doesn't guarantee success or quality all the time either.
Even many guys on the first ECW DVD said that performing for 2,000 fans meant more than 20,000 fans. Changing the scale doesn't necessarily make the performer any better, minus the exceptions (Hogan, Austin, Rock, and maybe Taker).
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2008 22:37:18 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I can't grasp the "You didn't do it in WWE, it doesn't count" mentality. Wrestling isn't baseball; in baseball, if you're a can't miss talent at the minor league level, you WILL be brought up to the majors one way or another, and nothing will stop it. Wrestling simply isn't the same, its an entirely different business. Great wrestlers don't all go to the biggest company on the planet, because they may not fit the mold that the biggest company wants, or they may just not want to go, or whatever the hell else the reason is. Just because WWE:indies seem to offer a nice comparison to Major League:Minor League doesn't mean it's true, sorry. Basically, stop trying to compare wrestling to just about anything else, since the circumstances that dictate who goes where in the wrestling business have no comparison with the sports world. If I were going to compare it to anything else, I'd compare it maybe to the music industry; very often, the best in the world WILL make it to the big time and be some of the world's most popular acts, but, very often, the best, the guys who are remembered, etc., don't ever achieve that level of notoriety. Meanwhile, some performers who are good, but maybe don't produce what you'd call truly great music, but simply excel as performers with great shows, can reach the top. See, that's not a knock on the pop music acts of the world, or the wrestlers who maybe aren't perfect in the ring but hit it big anyway. Those guys still need to have something about them that makes them marketable and popular, and they deserve credit for whatever it is. People can say what they will about John Cena, but the guy carries himself very well and isn't a bad performer by any stretch of the imagination. But it's not a strange idea at all to say that Bryan Danielson may be a better pure wrestler and in-ring performer than him. It's a subjective argument, to be sure; nobody's opinion on it can be 100% truth, obviously. But just because Danielson chooses not to perform for Vince McMahon doesn't mean his ring work can't be compared to the greats who are on top of the 'E right now. Exactly. The Wrestling/Baseball comparison falls flat, since baseball they're just looking for the best hitters, fielders, and whatnot. With wrestling, you factor in looks, marketability, and a lot of other things. You'll never hear of a baseball player not getting called up because he doesn't have "the superstar look". Exactly, whereas the opposite may be true in, again, the music industry. There could be a singer/songwriter who's abilities are out of this world, but maybe the music industry is in a phase where they're only looking for acts who can dance and perform with flair or something. So, the singer/songwriter may have the ability to be the next Paul Simon or something, but if the industry is marketing something different at the moment, there's a good chance he won't get his big break, at least not for awhile. Again, that's not meant to take away from the acts who do make it big, since it's INCREDIBLY rare that somebody gets famous "by accident". But the lesser known singer may still be the superior musician, just not as much as a performer in the mold of what the bosses are looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 22:50:40 GMT -5
If the article's legit, does the "powerbroker" even know that Danielson was offered a contract twice before and refused or that he's actually wrestled on Velocity? Plus, if he does go to WWE and succeeds for the a year or so, does that mean that the "powerbroker" would retract what he said? I mean, really, Danielson wasn't banging on the door to get signed and told to leave because he's a pasty, little man (oh and whoever said he wasn't built is probably someone who's used to looking at steroid users for years on end because, like him or not, he does have muscles), WWE wanted to sign him, he refused, and I think that should be that. He shouldn't be belittled for not being there: Shannon Moore should not be considered a better wrestler than Danielson based solely on the fact that he wrestled, off and on, on WWE tv. And, the sports analogy holds true: even when he wasn't a MLB player, Ichiro Suzuki was still a better hitter than an MLB hitter who was averaging a 260 batting average a season.
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Post by DamnYankee on Dec 28, 2008 1:18:23 GMT -5
I thought this would be relevant.
For your viewing pleasure - John Cena vs Bryan Danielson.
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Post by Robbymac on Dec 28, 2008 1:41:49 GMT -5
Sorry folks, I can't grasp the "You didn't do it in WWE, it doesn't count" mentality. Wrestling isn't baseball; in baseball, if you're a can't miss talent at the minor league level, you WILL be brought up to the majors one way or another, and nothing will stop it. Wrestling simply isn't the same, its an entirely different business. Great wrestlers don't all go to the biggest company on the planet, because they may not fit the mold that the biggest company wants, or they may just not want to go, or whatever the hell else the reason is. Just because WWE:indies seem to offer a nice comparison to Major League:Minor League doesn't mean it's true, sorry. Basically, stop trying to compare wrestling to just about anything else, since the circumstances that dictate who goes where in the wrestling business have no comparison with the sports world. If I were going to compare it to anything else, I'd compare it maybe to the music industry; very often, the best in the world WILL make it to the big time and be some of the world's most popular acts, but, very often, the best, the guys who are remembered, etc., don't ever achieve that level of notoriety. Meanwhile, some performers who are good, but maybe don't produce what you'd call truly great music, but simply excel as performers with great shows, can reach the top. See, that's not a knock on the pop music acts of the world, or the wrestlers who maybe aren't perfect in the ring but hit it big anyway. Those guys still need to have something about them that makes them marketable and popular, and they deserve credit for whatever it is. People can say what they will about John Cena, but the guy carries himself very well and isn't a bad performer by any stretch of the imagination. But it's not a strange idea at all to say that Bryan Danielson may be a better pure wrestler and in-ring performer than him. It's a subjective argument, to be sure; nobody's opinion on it can be 100% truth, obviously. But just because Danielson chooses not to perform for Vince McMahon doesn't mean his ring work can't be compared to the greats who are on top of the 'E right now. Exactly. The Wrestling/Baseball comparison falls flat, since baseball they're just looking for the best hitters, fielders, and whatnot. With wrestling, you factor in looks, marketability, and a lot of other things. You'll never hear of a baseball player not getting called up because he doesn't have "the superstar look". But here's where you're wrong. In professional wrestling, whether you want to accept this or not, your "look" is part of your ability. Because the ONLY thing that matters is your ability to get over. Not how many moves you know, not your ability to "work", not your moveset, not your psychology.... Simply your ability to make the masses care about you. Not the 1000 people who are wrestling-holics, but the joe schmo who may or may not choose to watch RAW over Monday Night Football. Who might pay for Wrestlemania on PPV if he's really interested. If you can't get those people to care about you, you're nothing in the wrestling business. Your "look" has a HELLUVA lot to do with that. You say in baseball they're just looking for the best hitters, fielders, etc. Well in wrestling they're looking for the best guys in look, mic, and ring skills. And likely in that order. Thats the name of the game. If WWE or even TNA thought that Danielson truly had what it takes to be the biggest star in wrestling they'd be making him the proverbial "offer he can't refuse." As it stands they offer him a developmental deal or whatever because they probably see him as a Benoit or Punk type who can appeal to the indy marks, work a good match with everyone, and be a solid mid card guy. Because in the big leagues thats what he'd be. So instead he's chosen to stay on the indy circuit as Indy God#910840198. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't insult mine or any other wrestling fans intelligence by telling us he's even in the same league as the Cena's, HHH's, Hardy's, and Edge's of the world. Because he's not even close, and he never will be.
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