Garee
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Post by Garee on Jan 4, 2009 16:38:11 GMT -5
I don't see it happening anytime soon
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2009 16:41:18 GMT -5
I can buy Kong or Chyna in this role, but seeing as how Beth is only marginally larger than a number of the other women in the company I don't see why she's being considered so massively dominant over all of the other women, much less credible in beating men, most of whom are at least 50 percent larger than she is. Possibly because Beth has a legitimate amateur background and was the only woman on the Wrestling Team in High school. But yeah I can't see it happening any time soon.
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Post by chavoclassic on Jan 4, 2009 16:43:39 GMT -5
Well...I'm probaby going to annoy a lot of people but...Beth or Chyna would be more credible than Mysterio in my opinion. Not by much though. IC champions are ok, but world is a huge stretch.
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Jan 4, 2009 17:05:16 GMT -5
Will it happen? No.
Should it happen? Absolutely without question, YES.
Is it believeable for a woman to defeat men in sports? Duh. It happens all the damn time. Probably the biggest, most obvious, and decisive example of this was Billie Jean King who, in 1973, defeated Bobby Riggs in a highly-publicized "Battle of the Sexes" tennis match. Not only did she defeat Riggs, by the way, she humiliated him in three straight sets.
Now, devil's advocate, that was a tennis match, wherein there's no direct contact except to shake hands before and after. However, this was back in a time where women weren't empowered at all--a female CEO of major business was considered a lofty ideal.
However, this is 2009. Not only are women running businesses, some of them, at one point or another, own veritable monopolies. An example of this? Linda McMahon. Everyone gives Vince credit for the purchase of WCW, but remember that Linda is, was, and will be for a while the Chief Executive Officer of World Wrestling Entertainment--Vince is Chairman of the Board of Directors. Linda is a prominent business figurehead who has won countless awards for her business savvy and experience. Vince has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. While we can give them both credit for keeping the business afloat, remember to give them BOTH credit for keeping the business afloat.
Frankly, I'm surprised that Linda herself hasn't done more to get this done sooner (although she's not a big fan of booking). But please remember--she still has pull. I don't just mean she's the #1 person in the company, but she's Vince's wife; if there's any one female stereotype women are proud of, it's that a good smart wife can convince/guilt/wheedle her husband to do anything for her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 17:10:41 GMT -5
I can buy Kong or Chyna in this role, but seeing as how Beth is only marginally larger than a number of the other women in the company I don't see why she's being considered so massively dominant over all of the other women, much less credible in beating men, most of whom are at least 50 percent larger than she is. Possibly because Beth has a legitimate amateur background and was the only woman on the Wrestling Team in High school. Most of the people she probably wrestled with were much closer to her in size, whereas as I said, most of the people she now wrestles against are much larger than her. It's not like saying "Brock Lesnar had an amateur background" or even "Bobby Lashley had an amateur background" because while they were smaller back then, during those times they were close in size to their opponents and at the point that's mentioned they're much larger than the people they go up against. Then on the other hand, Beth has lost to other women in the division. If she loses the belt at the Royal Rumble and goes on to wrestle guys, what's to say then that judging by who she went up against before, Melina, Mickie James and God forbid even Candice can't beat guys on the roster? Sure, she's had convincing wins against them, but they're really not much smaller than her and she's been in the midst of a title run (that is, she's been pushed and after a push a woman has a greatly reduced record in the ring). I'm not trying to belittle her. In fact I think she is indeed a very talented woman wrestler, but what I'm saying is that I don't find it logical how she can be considered a legit threat to guys and all of the other women (especially those who beat her for her belt) aren't. In essence, that is, I'm kind of arguing that more women than Beth should be treated as credible threats.
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Post by Mr. Nice on Jan 4, 2009 17:10:51 GMT -5
Beth Phoenix for ECW Champion
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Post by Robbymac on Jan 4, 2009 17:12:12 GMT -5
Will it happen? No. Should it happen? Absolutely without question, YES. Is it believeable for a woman to defeat men in sports? Duh. It happens all the damn time. Probably the biggest, most obvious, and decisive example of this was Billie Jean King who, in 1973, defeated Bobby Riggs in a highly-publicized "Battle of the Sexes" tennis match. Not only did she defeat Riggs, by the way, she humiliated him in three straight sets. Now, devil's advocate, that was a tennis match, wherein there's no direct contact except to shake hands before and after. However, this was back in a time where women weren't empowered at all--a female CEO of major business was considered a lofty ideal. However, this is 2009. Not only are women running businesses, some of them, at one point or another, own veritable monopolies. An example of this? Linda McMahon. Everyone gives Vince credit for the purchase of WCW, but remember that Linda is, was, and will be for a while the Chief Executive Officer of World Wrestling Entertainment--Vince is Chairman of the Board of Directors. Linda is a prominent business figurehead who has won countless awards for her business savvy and experience. Vince has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. While we can give them both credit for keeping the business afloat, remember to give them BOTH credit for keeping the business afloat. Frankly, I'm surprised that Linda herself hasn't done more to get this done sooner (although she's not a big fan of booking). But please remember--she still has pull. I don't just mean she's the #1 person in the company, but she's Vince's wife; if there's any one female stereotype women are proud of, it's that a good smart wife can convince/guilt/wheedle her husband to do anything for her. It happens all the damn time, yet the only example you can cite is the most overrated moment in sports history. Billy Jean King was the best womens tennis player in the world. Riggs was 55 years old and his Wimbeldon Title was in 1940. Now, lets try for an example of a woman beating the best man in her field, then we'll talk.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Jan 4, 2009 17:13:41 GMT -5
I don't think it will happen either, but I really am happy that the article put over Chyna so well (and I wouldn't consider myself a huge fan of hers), she really was used well in her tenure for the most part, and was good at what she did. I really think she was one of a kind. And she wasn't even the ugliest around, with Nicole Bass having a small role for a bit.
And not to go off topic, but I was alternately bothered by the part that made it sound so ludicrous to have a "small" champion. If size was the only determining factor of WWE championship caliber, we would be looking at Andre holding the championship till he died, followed by a transitional championship title reign by Giant Gonzales, to a good ten year reign by the Big Show, to a equally Bruno-esque run by the Great Khali still in progress. And we all know how much we'd all love to see that.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 4, 2009 17:13:59 GMT -5
something tells me Gina Carrano would not be able to take out Fedor
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Post by Eli on Jan 4, 2009 17:20:53 GMT -5
That's my impossible dream- I want to hold a major WWE championship. And If they treat me like another bimbo when I finally get to WWE, then god dammit, I'll go to suck-ass TNA. And I'll go tho the top there, until WWE reconsiders. I'm a dreamer.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jan 4, 2009 17:32:25 GMT -5
Two points.
Right now, I could see Beth as World champ one day. Although I would probably buy Kong as champ a whole hell of a lot easier.
Wrestlings staged. Anything can happen and anything can also work if its booked well. If someone has the talent and charisma to believably become champion, then it doesn't matter what size, gender, race, nationality, etc, they are.
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Jan 4, 2009 17:51:09 GMT -5
Hey, if Kevin Federline can beat John Cena in a match, so can Beth Phoenix.
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Post by Mac on Jan 4, 2009 17:55:29 GMT -5
I think its inevitable... not with anyone currently on the roster and maybe not anytime in the next decade. But it will happen.
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Post by Loki on Jan 4, 2009 17:57:51 GMT -5
With an adequate build-up, Chyna could have been a credible "shock" Champion.
But after almost a decade, and especially after long long years of the Women's Division been raped with bra&panties matches, pudding matches, bikini contests ets, with just a bunch of good workers constantly overshadowed by third-rate models, the train has passed and won't come back.
Beth Phoenix could theoretically be a decent contender, but at best for a midcard title.
Even with the biggest buildup possible, it would be quite hard imaging the Glamazon pinning Cena/Orton/Batista or HHH. Maaaaaaybe Jericho or Jeff Hardy, but still, it'd require an insane amount of external factors, and we all know how interferences & co. can diminish the meaning of a match, and of a title win. WCW anyone?
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Post by The Line on Jan 4, 2009 18:07:16 GMT -5
Kayfabe wise, should it even be allowed? I mean, Harvina withstanding, men aren't allowed to go for the top women's prize. Shouldn't it go both ways, with the rest of the titles(IC, Tag Team, Cruiser, Hardcore, etc) being open to both genders?
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Post by Robbymac on Jan 4, 2009 18:12:41 GMT -5
Hey, if Kevin Federline can beat John Cena in a match, so can Beth Phoenix. Sure, with boatloads of outside interference Beth Phoenix could credibly win the WWE Title. Credibly holding the title for any extended period of time is another story.
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Post by Lair of the Shadow MaDaBa on Jan 4, 2009 18:13:26 GMT -5
Well, there's a Women's Championship--that's sort of specified, so a man shouldn't have it (as stated, Harvina notwithstanding).
However, a World Championship should be all-encompassing since...y'know...women are in the world.
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Post by Robbymac on Jan 4, 2009 18:15:55 GMT -5
Kayfabe wise, should it even be allowed? I mean, Harvina withstanding, men aren't allowed to go for the top women's prize. Shouldn't it go both ways, with the rest of the titles(IC, Tag Team, Cruiser, Hardcore, etc) being open to both genders? Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie competing on the Mens PGA Tour sets a sports precedent. Their performances when competing on said tour is one of the many reasons no one would buy it. If women can't compete with men in a sport like golf, then how are we supposed to buy them competing in wrestling?
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 4, 2009 18:20:42 GMT -5
NO NO NO NO NO a million times NO!! First of all, nowon will take Pro-wrestling seriously if this happened, and no main eventer would want to put a woman over(and i dont blame them) . It will be like David Arquette winning the WCW title.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jan 4, 2009 18:50:08 GMT -5
Show me a woman who is the top draw in a promotion and I'll say, make her the champion.
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