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Post by Silent Brad on Mar 6, 2009 18:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlesmarks on Mar 6, 2009 18:24:24 GMT -5
Holy shit. I kinda hope the feud doesn't end though, angry Dave= Great Megadeth songs.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 6, 2009 18:42:45 GMT -5
That still doesn't make up for War missing out on the required votes.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Mar 6, 2009 18:45:21 GMT -5
That is sweet, I really wonder if they will let Jason come on out.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Mar 6, 2009 18:56:42 GMT -5
That is sweet, I really wonder if they will let Jason come on out. They really should as he's one of the members being inducted. For those curious the one's listed as being inducted are as follows. Cliff Burton, Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newsted, Lars Ulrich and Robert Trujillo.[ Does Trujillo really deserve it?
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Post by El Hijo del Havoc on Mar 6, 2009 19:00:48 GMT -5
He's a member of Metallica Therefore, why not?
A band member is a band member
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Mar 6, 2009 19:06:31 GMT -5
That is sweet, I really wonder if they will let Jason come on out. A while ago Rolling Stone had an interview with James Hetfield and asked about former members of the band he mentioned how one of the HOF's rules for induction is how there has to be a 25 year time period from the time of your first recording and James thought since Mustaine didn't record Kill 'Em All with the band (though he did play the gigs with them and wrote alot of the music on that album and a song or 2 on Ride The Lightning) and since they don't start counting for HOF status until you start recording he feels that he wouldn't be comftorable with Mustaine on stage with them, but would have no problem with Jason Newsted joining them on stage since he recorded several albums with them. Now whether or not that will actually happen.......
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Mar 6, 2009 19:09:55 GMT -5
Wow. I got swerved. I was expecting angry Dave.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Mar 6, 2009 19:20:58 GMT -5
That is sweet, I really wonder if they will let Jason come on out. A while ago Rolling Stone had an interview with James Hetfield and asked about former members of the band he mentioned how one of the HOF's rules for induction is how there has to be a 25 year time period from the time of your first recording and James thought since Mustaine didn't record Kill 'Em All with the band (though he did play the gigs with them and wrote alot of the music on that album and a song or 2 on Ride The Lightning) and since they don't start counting for HOF status until you start recording he feels that he wouldn't be comftorable with Mustaine on stage with them, but would have no problem with Jason Newsted joining them on stage since he recorded several albums with them. Now whether or not that will actually happen....... Well, I hope he does go on stage, he deserves to be there, I know that band made him rich, but f***, that guy went threw hell being the guy that replaced Cliff.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Mar 6, 2009 19:32:57 GMT -5
A while ago Rolling Stone had an interview with James Hetfield and asked about former members of the band he mentioned how one of the HOF's rules for induction is how there has to be a 25 year time period from the time of your first recording and James thought since Mustaine didn't record Kill 'Em All with the band (though he did play the gigs with them and wrote alot of the music on that album and a song or 2 on Ride The Lightning) and since they don't start counting for HOF status until you start recording he feels that he wouldn't be comftorable with Mustaine on stage with them, but would have no problem with Jason Newsted joining them on stage since he recorded several albums with them. Now whether or not that will actually happen....... Well, I hope he does go on stage, he deserves to be there, I know that band made him rich, but snork, that guy went threw hell being the guy that replaced Cliff. The guy who replaced Cliff? Oh you mean Jason Newkid, btw how long was he referred to by Jason Newkid, or some derivative of "Cliff's replacement" because it seems like even after Newsted left the band the consensus was "Cliff's replacement left Metallica". Although Newsted hazing stories was one of my favorite parts of Metallica's Behind The Music
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Mar 6, 2009 19:40:21 GMT -5
Well, I hope he does go on stage, he deserves to be there, I know that band made him rich, but snork, that guy went threw hell being the guy that replaced Cliff. The guy who replaced Cliff? Oh you mean Jason Newkid, btw how long was he referred to by Jason Newkid, or some derivative of "Cliff's replacement" because it seems like even after Newsted left the band the consensus was "Cliff's replacement left Metallica". Although Newsted hazing stories was one of my favorite parts of Metallica's Behind The Music I did like that behind the music as well, kirk"we tell everyone that he was gay" "Charge the whole bar tab to Jason's room" Like I said, still kind of f***ed up how they treated him, I mean hell, you didn't hear the guys bass on till after and justice for all, I mean, I think the fans excepted that Cliff died, but metallica never really did.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 7, 2009 4:04:32 GMT -5
You know what the funny thing is? I read that, and just thought Dave was being amazingly sarcastic.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Mar 7, 2009 5:50:46 GMT -5
I really wanna see that Metallica behind the Music program now.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 7, 2009 6:35:38 GMT -5
That is sweet, I really wonder if they will let Jason come on out. They really should as he's one of the members being inducted. For those curious the one's listed as being inducted are as follows. Cliff Burton, Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newsted, Lars Ulrich and Robert Trujillo.[ Does Trujillo really deserve it? Not in the slightest. None of their accomplishments are his. I think it's crap that this guy is getting to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame despite the fact that he's only recorded two recent albums with Metallica and they weren't exactly well received. Newsted on the other hand deserves the honor so much. He went through hell with those guys and kept at it for a good 15 years. The majority of their albums feature Jason on bass, so it'd be ludicrous not to have him there. I keep hoping as a fanboy that Trujillo will get booted because they make peace with Jason Newsted. A guy can hope.
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Post by sage on Mar 7, 2009 6:47:11 GMT -5
They really should as he's one of the members being inducted. For those curious the one's listed as being inducted are as follows. Cliff Burton, Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newsted, Lars Ulrich and Robert Trujillo.[ Does Trujillo really deserve it? Not in the slightest. None of their accomplishments are his. I think it's crap that this guy is getting to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame despite the fact that he's only recorded two recent albums with Metallica and they weren't exactly well received. Newsted on the other hand deserves the honor so much. He went through hell with those guys and kept at it for a good 15 years. The majority of their albums feature Jason on bass, so it'd be ludicrous not to have him there. I keep hoping as a fanboy that Trujillo will get booted because they make peace with Jason Newsted. A guy can hope. I second that. Personaly I swore off Metalica after Jason got fed up and left. It seemed like for awhile there all Larz and James cared about was the money, and the music and the band suffered badly. I sold off my shirts and haven't listened to any of their music since, I was so disguested by what was transpiring. I guess now maybe I can let myself like them again.... The band, the music, not James and Lars. lol
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Mar 7, 2009 9:10:07 GMT -5
They really should as he's one of the members being inducted. For those curious the one's listed as being inducted are as follows. Cliff Burton, Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newsted, Lars Ulrich and Robert Trujillo.[ Does Trujillo really deserve it? Not in the slightest. None of their accomplishments are his. I think it's crap that this guy is getting to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame despite the fact that he's only recorded two recent albums with Metallica and they weren't exactly well received. Newsted on the other hand deserves the honor so much. He went through hell with those guys and kept at it for a good 15 years. The majority of their albums feature Jason on bass, so it'd be ludicrous not to have him there. I keep hoping as a fanboy that Trujillo will get booted because they make peace with Jason Newsted. A guy can hope. OK, here's a list of Metallica's studio albums and the bass player featured: Kill 'Em All - Cliff Burton Ride The Lightning - Cliff Burton Master Of Puppets - Cliff Burton ...And Justice For All - Jason Newsted Metallica (aka the Black Album) - Jason Newsted Load - Jason Newsted Reload - Jason Newsted ( note that Load and Reload were recorded at the same time and initially meant as a double album release, so in reality, you can count Load and Reload as one.) St. Anger - Bob Rock?! Death Magnetic - Rob Trujilo (or however you spell his name) Jason wasn't on the majority of their albums. he was featured on just one more than Burton and that's if you count Load and Reload as two seperate albums, which you very well can and it's really a proper way to count, seeing as how they were released separately. But out of 9 albums he's only been on 4 of them. That's not even half! (Yes, I'm nitpicking!) Still, Jason totally deserves being in the Hall of Fame with Metallica. He was in the band for almost 15 years. He worked his ass off for that band! And yet, they still didn't really accept him as a real band member!
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 7, 2009 9:16:59 GMT -5
The sort of response that I'd expect from Mustaine, no signs of reconciliation, yet he is giving them his respect, which is understandable. It's a similar situation to Bret Hart not wanting to appear on WWE TV. Last time I checked Mustaine still had sour grapes with them over including his interview from Some Kind Of Monster on the documentary despite his reluctance, but he's not one to be overly bitter, so the approach to be respectful yet distant makes sense.
He wouldn't have shown up even if wasn't on tour.
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 7, 2009 9:24:02 GMT -5
Not in the slightest. None of their accomplishments are his. I think it's crap that this guy is getting to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame despite the fact that he's only recorded two recent albums with Metallica and they weren't exactly well received. Newsted on the other hand deserves the honor so much. He went through hell with those guys and kept at it for a good 15 years. The majority of their albums feature Jason on bass, so it'd be ludicrous not to have him there. I keep hoping as a fanboy that Trujillo will get booted because they make peace with Jason Newsted. A guy can hope. I second that. Personaly I swore off Metalica after Jason got fed up and left. It seemed like for awhile there all Larz and James cared about was the money, and the music and the band suffered badly. I sold off my shirts and haven't listened to any of their music since, I was so disguested by what was transpiring. I guess now maybe I can let myself like them again.... The band, the music, not James and Lars. lol In response to the quote within a quote, you are wrong on two counts, Trujillo recorded one album, and that album was very well received, in fact, the only people who didn't receive it well were the people who didn't give it a chance by assuming that Metallica had lost all their passion and skill years ago (which is fair enough, with the wreck that was St Anger). As for the second quote here, I know it's all down to personal preference and stuff, but I find OTT music fans hilarious. Master Of Puppets sucks now because you believe that Metallica as a band sucks now...ok...
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Post by sage on Mar 7, 2009 9:47:12 GMT -5
As for the second quote here, I know it's all down to personal preference and stuff, but I find OTT music fans hilarious. Master Of Puppets sucks now because you believe that Metallica as a band sucks now...ok... No, those songs were great. I'm not saying they suck. Rather I was so disguested with what the band became that it tarnished the whole experience for me, know what I mean? If I listened to the old stuff, it was a bit depressing, knowing where this great band ended up and what self obsessed jackasses James and Lars became. I just stopped listening to Metalica and stoped wearing the shirts. It was better to just let myself forget about them for awhile, rather than letting the knowlege of what they became tarnish the way those great songs made me feal and all the memories that became atached to them.
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Post by spec on Mar 7, 2009 9:55:46 GMT -5
Musicianship wise, Rob Trujillo >>> Jason Newsted. Trujillo's an amazing bass player and its cool he's going to be in the Hall of Fame as its pretty unlikely that bands like Suicidal Tendencies and Infectious Grooves, his previous bands, would ever have a chance of getting in.
Newsted had great stage presence and exhibited highly energetic live performances, but as a bass player he was pretty mediocre. His "solos" live were lackluster and usually just degenerated into distortion/wah noise which is kinda cool and experimental in a way, but he wasn't really spectacular enough as a musician to be given solo time during a live performance and any bass solo should be exactly that, spectacular, as its a relative rareity in rock/metal gigs and due to the unsung nature of the instrument. His basslines on albums were mostly pretty run-of-the-mill, shadow what the guitar plays type of stuff. He was so far down in the mix on And Jusitce for All because you didn't really need to hear him. Did they do that because they were unsure of his abilities or out of respect for Cliff Burton? The bass in the preceding Garage Days Re-visited is prominent in contrast and Newsted has a few standout moments, but that was a rare EP not a full album and just cover tunes. The Black Album as well had a few standout bass moments, My Friend of Misery, The God That Failed, but nothing on a parallel and of the calibre of any of Cliff Burton's work, essentially on this album Newsted just doubled the guitar line. Newsted had a difficult job of filling the shoes of one of the all time greats Cliff Burton, and he did it in his own unique and energetic way. He fit very well into the direction Metallica went in; shorter, more basic songs with wider appeal as opposed to the 9 minute epics of the days of Burton. Trujillo is probably bored playing Jason's basslines though.
Ultimately all three of Metallica's bass players deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, maybe for differing reasons but they should all be in there.
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