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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 4, 2009 12:01:59 GMT -5
Ah, but Deadpool isn't exactly a good guy in the video games. Remember what his dialogue would be in MARVEL: Ultimate Alliance's first stage? He wouldn't help one of the S.H.I.E.L.D. soldiers unless he did what Deadpool demanded of him, and he demanded some not-so-good-guy things. Also, they had BLADE as a snorking good guy in MARVEL: Ultimate Alliance, and he isn't a nice guy either. Just cause Deadpool was on the good guy side in the games doesn't mean he was actually good. He's an anti-hero and a mercenary first. He goes where the money is. Hell that's why he's even having this mini-one man war against Norman Osborn and the Thunderbolts. Norman stole the data Deadpool was hired to get, killed the Skrull Queen, and took all the glory. Because Deadpool didn't turn in the data, he didn't get paid. Yeah, but my point is if he didn't have character development he wouldn't be helping the good guys at all. Deadpool, while not being a "nice guy" does care about the things he does. I never said he was a good person, just a "Good Guy" in that game. True, and then again this is MARVEL: Ultimate Alliance we are talking about here. It had the Ultimate versions of all the characters so their portrayals weren't exactly like what they would be in the normal MARVEL-verse.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 4, 2009 13:06:39 GMT -5
Of course, if you read Cable/Deadpool, Wade was trying to be a good guy, and only was taking jobs where he went after bad guys. Then Way comes along and erases all that. He wants to be an X-man and be a true good guy. Or did. It was developed, and really added to the character. Cabled showed him a new path, and helped to fix his brain. He wasn't as crazy anymore, much more a wiseass.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 4, 2009 13:08:09 GMT -5
Of course, if you read Cable/Deadpool, Wade was trying to be a good guy, and only was taking jobs where he went after bad guys. Then Way comes along and erases all that. He wants to be an X-man and be a true good guy. Or did. It was developed, and really added to the character. Cabled showed him a new path, and helped to fix his brain. He wasn't as crazy anymore, much more a wiseass. But crazy was what many him popular to begin with. Either way, I'll take my Deadpool only one way, funny. As long as he is funny, I don't care about anything else.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 4, 2009 13:16:14 GMT -5
Of course, if you read Cable/Deadpool, Wade was trying to be a good guy, and only was taking jobs where he went after bad guys. Then Way comes along and erases all that. He wants to be an X-man and be a true good guy. Or did. It was developed, and really added to the character. Cabled showed him a new path, and helped to fix his brain. He wasn't as crazy anymore, much more a wiseass. But crazy was what many him popular to begin with. Either way, I'll take my Deadpool only one way, funny. As long as he is funny, I don't care about anything else. And he was funny, while progressing as a character. That is the point. He was the same character, he just moved forward. Way has taken him backward, that is what bothers me. If he would offer up an explanation for why Wade is the way he is, and it made sense? I would be ok with it.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 4, 2009 13:18:10 GMT -5
But crazy was what many him popular to begin with. Either way, I'll take my Deadpool only one way, funny. As long as he is funny, I don't care about anything else. And he was funny, while progressing as a character. That is the point. He was the same character, he just moved forward. Way has taken him backward, that is what bothers me. If he would offer up an explanation for why Wade is the way he is, and it made sense? I would be ok with it. One word. Skrull. Or it could be just an elaborate hoax? Or maybe without Cable by his side all of Cable's teachings just went into the far reaches of his mind and he simply forgot them?
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 14:01:21 GMT -5
But crazy was what many him popular to begin with. Either way, I'll take my Deadpool only one way, funny. As long as he is funny, I don't care about anything else. And he was funny, while progressing as a character. That is the point. He was the same character, he just moved forward. Way has taken him backward, that is what bothers me. If he would offer up an explanation for why Wade is the way he is, and it made sense? I would be ok with it. It all so bugs me how Way keeps writing him when ever DP's mask comes off. DP hould never take his mask off all willy nilly, while he's gotten over most of the insecurity of it *Due to Cable and Siryn*he still really doesn't like showing his face. But seeing how Way only wants to focus on the LULZ I guess thats out.
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 14:02:22 GMT -5
And he was funny, while progressing as a character. That is the point. He was the same character, he just moved forward. Way has taken him backward, that is what bothers me. If he would offer up an explanation for why Wade is the way he is, and it made sense? I would be ok with it. One word. Skrull. Or it could be just an elaborate hoax? Or maybe without Cable by his side all of Cable's teachings just went into the far reaches of his mind and he simply forgot them? Other than hoax all those explanations are horrible and the lat one doesn't make sense seeing how Cable cured is insanity.....oh wait, I'm supposed to forget that. THANKS DANIEL WAY!
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 4, 2009 14:07:01 GMT -5
Thor, Immortal Iron Fist, and the new Deadpool run(s) are the only thing MARVEL has going for them at the moment, in my eyes. I really don't care about the Dark Reign storyline..... I like the concept of Dark Reign, and especially the way they're doing it in "Invincible Iron Man", by having Norman send everything he has under his belt at Iron Man while he's on the run. It finally makes me feel a bit sorry for Iron Man after years of him being a complete and utterly self-righteous jackass.
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 14:11:23 GMT -5
Thor, Immortal Iron Fist, and the new Deadpool run(s) are the only thing MARVEL has going for them at the moment, in my eyes. I really don't care about the Dark Reign storyline..... I like the concept of Dark Reign, and especially the way they're doing it in "Invincible Iron Man", by having Norman send everything he has under his belt at Iron Man while he's on the run. It finally makes me feel a bit sorry for Iron Man after years of him being a complete and utterly self-righteous jackass. Yes, because being a self righteous jackass for one poorly, poorly, poorly written story is years. And lets not forget Cap was big of a jackass in the same poorly poorly poorly written story.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 4, 2009 14:12:55 GMT -5
Not a fan of most of the stuff going on in the main universe the last couple years, didn't care at all about Secret Invasion, think Dark Reign is sorta hokey/don't care for how Norman Osborn has been done the last few years ( don't get me wrong, it's a cool character inasmuch as he's a Lex Luthor swipe kinda, but to me that's way out there from what the character always been.)
That said- Captain America has been and remains the best superhero book on the racks so I pick it up every month without fail
The only other book I read from the House of Ideas with any consistency is Millar and Hitch's Fantastic Four, which has been a lot of fun.
Both titles seem thus far only peripherally involved in any of the big crossover stuff, which is probably another reason I gravitate toward 'em.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 4, 2009 14:16:03 GMT -5
Not a fan of most of the stuff going on in the main universe the last couple years, didn't care at all about Secret Invasion, think Dark Reign is sorta hokey/don't care for how Norman Osborn has been done the last few years ( don't get me wrong, it's a cool character inasmuch as he's a Lex Luthor swipe kinda, but to me that's way out there from what the character always been.) That said- Captain America has been and remains the best superhero book on the racks so I pick it up every month without fail The only other book I read from the House of Ideas with any consistency is Millar and Hitch's Fantastic Four, which has been a lot of fun. Both titles seem thus far only peripherally involved in any of the big crossover stuff, which is probably another reason I gravitate toward 'em. Ya know, the main stories haven't been so great, but all the stuff going around on the outside have been awesome. Marvel is really good right now, but it is the periphery, not the core that is sweetness.
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 14:20:11 GMT -5
Not a fan of most of the stuff going on in the main universe the last couple years, didn't care at all about Secret Invasion, think Dark Reign is sorta hokey/don't care for how Norman Osborn has been done the last few years ( don't get me wrong, it's a cool character inasmuch as he's a Lex Luthor swipe kinda, but to me that's way out there from what the character always been.) That said- Captain America has been and remains the best superhero book on the racks so I pick it up every month without fail The only other book I read from the House of Ideas with any consistency is Millar and Hitch's Fantastic Four, which has been a lot of fun. Both titles seem thus far only peripherally involved in any of the big crossover stuff, which is probably another reason I gravitate toward 'em. Ya know, the main stories haven't been so great, but all the stuff going around on the outside have been awesome. Marvel is really good right now, but it is the periphery, not the core that is sweetness. I don't know about that, New and Dark Avengers are picking up . DA actually made me pretty interested in the entry/Norman Osborn dynamic and NA is interesting with the Sorcerer Supreme storyline and Ramos art is godly.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 4, 2009 14:28:58 GMT -5
Ya know, the main stories haven't been so great, but all the stuff going around on the outside have been awesome. Marvel is really good right now, but it is the periphery, not the core that is sweetness. I don't know about that, New and Dark Avengers are picking up . DA actually made me pretty interested in the entry/Norman Osborn dynamic and NA is interesting with the Sorcerer Supreme storyline and Ramos art is godly. Ya know what, you are right, actually the core has gotten significantly better now too. There isn't a whole lot of bad right now, Runaways has sadly gotten to be purely awful though. It was one of the best books around when Vaughan was writing it, now it is just poopy.
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 14:42:36 GMT -5
I don't know about that, New and Dark Avengers are picking up . DA actually made me pretty interested in the entry/Norman Osborn dynamic and NA is interesting with the Sorcerer Supreme storyline and Ramos art is godly. Ya know what, you are right, actually the core has gotten significantly better now too. There isn't a whole lot of bad right now, Runaways has sadly gotten to be purely awful though. It was one of the best books around when Vaughan was writing it, now it is just poopy. I actually still like it right now, true its nowhere near as good as Vaughn's run or Whedons but its okay, should get better though when the new writer and artist take over. And I mean Bachalo, not Ramos.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 4, 2009 14:47:44 GMT -5
Ya know what, you are right, actually the core has gotten significantly better now too. There isn't a whole lot of bad right now, Runaways has sadly gotten to be purely awful though. It was one of the best books around when Vaughan was writing it, now it is just poopy. I actually still like it right now, true its nowhere near as good as Vaughn's run or Whedons but its okay, should get better though when the new writer and artist take over. And I mean Bachalo, not Ramos. Ramos was awful. He needs to be taken faraway from art in general. He is now making the Initiative nearly unreadable. Runaways has its moments (anytime Molly and Klara are together), but the stories suck, Moore just doesn't quite "get it" what made them great. I hated Whedon's run (that guy has no idea about the Punisher or Kingpin, nor the Runaways), but I would take him back over Moore right now.
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 14:54:02 GMT -5
I actually still like it right now, true its nowhere near as good as Vaughn's run or Whedons but its okay, should get better though when the new writer and artist take over. And I mean Bachalo, not Ramos. Ramos was awful. He needs to be taken faraway from art in general. He is now making the Initiative nearly unreadable. Runaways has its moments (anytime Molly and Klara are together), but the stories suck, Moore just doesn't quite "get it" what made them great. I hated Whedon's run (that guy has no idea about the Punisher or Kingpin, nor the Runaways), but I would take him back over Moore right now. I hated how much wasted potential their was in the Orphan's storyline and how it took him so f***ing long to get issues out. I like Moore alot, Spiderman Loves Mary Jane was one of my favorite books. I am looking forward to Kathryn Immonen's run though.
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Post by Legion on May 4, 2009 14:58:52 GMT -5
Mighty Avengers is great - it's back to basics with the Avengers without over saturation from Spiderman and Wolverine.
Guardians of the Galaxy/Nova/WoK - All brilliant. Nova has been great since the Annihilation Wave (something you should pick up if you like the cosmic stuff, although it has a lazy ending) and Guardians features Adam Warlock who is one of my favourite characters ever. Some interesting develops there for after the WoK storyline with time/dimension travel and some stuff with the Church of Truth. War of Kings could do with more Silver Surfer, but yeah, I'm enjoying it.
Dark Reign is alright for what it is, but you know they'll end up losing. The wild cards there are Emma's involvement and how that could end up. I quite enjoy Dark Avangers but again, you know it's all leading to a Goblin return and so it isnt as good as it could be.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 4, 2009 15:36:54 GMT -5
Surfer is busy over in Skaar though. Probably why he isn't in WoK so much, plus he'd probably have too much Dues Ex Machina potential.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on May 4, 2009 17:01:32 GMT -5
Mighty Avengers is great - it's back to basics with the Avengers without over saturation from Spiderman and Wolverine. Yeah, I think that's what's drawing me to the title now. It's got Hercules, who's one of my favorites, and Stature, who is a really fun character, and they're actually not overshadowed by having a ton of "A-listers" on the team.
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Post by King of Fighters on May 4, 2009 17:21:43 GMT -5
As much as I like the people on the MA team I just can't get into it.
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