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Post by superborracho6000 on Jul 7, 2005 22:38:08 GMT -5
4) We are assuming that, because Hassan is of Arab decent, the people that came out were supposed to be terrorists? The were a group of guys in masks, beating up a "face" character on behalf of a "heel" character... I don't remember anyone calling Jerry Lawlor's masked Knights Medieval Terrorists... Also, if we're going to complain about representation and terminology, what about calling the WWE ppl that invaded ECW crusaders? Think about what the crusades were... But it is the logical end of this character's direction. Did WWE have any whiny Arab characters before Hassan, going back to Iron Sheik? Were Hassan and Daivari ever sposed to be anything other than a post 9/11 Iron Sheik gimmick? Its WWE that brought politics into this deal. Hassan should either: a. Ditch the whiny minority bit and become a bloodthirsty apolitical foreigner like the original Sheik or Abdullah or Sabu or b. cut off Undertaker's head and blow him up, only to have him rise from the dead on the third day, perhaps from a flag-draped coffin, and kick ass American (Rambo) style, taking this gimmick to its logical conclusion gawd, its like we're living in Ronald Reagan's America again ... |
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 7, 2005 22:44:29 GMT -5
oh my god it seems we have our share of sympathizors for terrorists now? WTF
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Post by jonnylethargic on Jul 7, 2005 22:44:47 GMT -5
The logical conclusion to Hassan's character is for him to become a terrorist?
Hassan's gripes, at least at the core, are somewhat valid. There ARE people out there who discriminate against arabs because of their heritage... Even tonight, watching Big Brother 6 (I know, it's a sickness), they have an Iraqi contestant. One of the other contestants said something along the lines of "once you get past him being Iraqi he's a pretty good guy".
I think there are lots of other logical conclusions for Hassan... As for being whiny... That's all the rage in WWE right now. Edge makes a career of it.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jul 7, 2005 22:48:40 GMT -5
I think there are lots of other logical conclusions for Hassan... As for being whiny... That's all the rage in WWE right now. Edge makes a career of it. Don't forget Matt too and his MF'ers (and I don't mean Mattitude followers). |
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Post by screwtape on Jul 7, 2005 22:51:18 GMT -5
Hassan's gripes, at least at the core, are somewhat valid. There ARE people out there who discriminate against arabs because of their heritage. |
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Jul 7, 2005 22:53:07 GMT -5
I dont' see what the big deal is about it all. Maybe WWE did push the envelope, but honestly, is it really that terrible? Just because they are out there in black ski masks doesnt' make them terrorists. maybe they are just cold natured and the temp inside of the arena was too cold. I for one am all for factions in teh WWE, I think they need them. And if they want Hassan to be their leader good for him.
I really think all the peeps getting all streatched out of place about this need to just calm the hell down and stop thinking its evil vince and his horrific storylines. He's not playing up to terrorists... hell anyone remember the 9/13/01 edition of Smackdown, it was a tribute... he sends the wrestlers to Iraq for christs sake. give it a f***ing rest and wait and see where they go with it. DAYUM
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Post by screwtape on Jul 7, 2005 22:55:39 GMT -5
So a wrestler with a Nazi gimmick who has a finisher called the Lampshader or the Ovenator shouldn't bother anyone, it isn't like it happens in real life, let's have fun with it.
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Post by superborracho6000 on Jul 7, 2005 23:00:43 GMT -5
a. Ditch the whiny minority bit and become a bloodthirsty apolitical foreigner like the original Sheik or Abdullah or Sabu or b. cut off Undertaker's head and blow him up, only to have him rise from the dead on the third day, perhaps from a flag-draped coffin, and kick ass American (Rambo) style, taking this gimmick to its logical conclusion Personally I would be satisfied with either of these directions. The second one would even fit Undertaker's character. American Badass indeed. |
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Post by jonnylethargic on Jul 7, 2005 23:03:08 GMT -5
*sigh* I was just trying to put some perspective on the angle. Now I've been called a terrorist sympathizer. I'm sorry to anyone out there who is offended. I am NOT a terrorist sympathizer. I am just pointing out the inherant knee-jerk assumptions that are coming to the surface about these things (In life in general). I'm not a politically correct fool either. I more or less regret saying anything.
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 7, 2005 23:10:47 GMT -5
no need to be apalogetic. i just dont see why, even now that we know who did the bombing in London, that people would say just pull back and see what happens. You know what will happen. More bombings will occur and innocent people will lose their life for no damn reason at all!
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jul 7, 2005 23:18:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think this is an argument we won't be able to all agree on. This is the exact thing that happened a few years ago when Undertaker tied Austin to his "symbol". Some people said that it was blasphemous to simulate crucifying someone. Others said it was just a symbol and not an actual cross, and it was not intended to represent anything religious. It was just the Undertaker intimidating Austin and nothing more.
Tonight's SmackDown is the same thing. Some will see the incident and take it to literally mean that an act of terrorism was simulated. This was my initial reaction. Others aren't taking it quite so literally, and saw it simply as Hassan sending a group of masked thugs to take out the Undertaker and rescue Daivari.
I can live with the fact that not everyone will agree with me. What is important however... is how the media interprets this. If WWE starts pissing off their sponsors with this, then that will spell trouble for Vince and company.
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 7, 2005 23:22:07 GMT -5
me thinks that if they just wanted mask thugs they would wear all black or jeans wweshirt and mask and not dress like the people in all the terrorist videos though
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Jul 7, 2005 23:39:18 GMT -5
As the board's resident Arab American, I have only this to say:
Are we certain that Hassan sent them?
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Jul 7, 2005 23:40:01 GMT -5
"It goes waaaaaay beyond tasteless."
I don't know about that. If the show took place on Tuesday, how could they know about the terrorist attacks happening later in the week? Besides, if they had had time to edit it out of the show, I'm not sure if the angle would have made as much sense. I'll admit it was very very strange, especially with The Taker looking like he did, but I wouldn't blame the WWE or call them tasteless or trying to capitalize on a tragedy. I understand why they had the disclaimer, but just don't feel it was that bad, only odd. In a way it just reminded me of when Raven crucified the Sandman in ECW.
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Post by Phoenix on Jul 7, 2005 23:53:54 GMT -5
As the board's resident Arab American, I have only this to say: Are we certain that Hassan sent them?maybe the fact that he said that he had a plan right before the match. i would say yeah it was him |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 8, 2005 0:14:29 GMT -5
If Hassan wasn't playing a Arab-American none of this would be conterversial at all........The angle was fine, the men were never identified as terrorists from what I saw and there's nothing wrong with what they did...
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Post by psychotix5000 on Jul 8, 2005 0:31:50 GMT -5
Personally, I found it offensive, and I articulated that in both an email and a letter I'm sending to both WWE Corporate and to the local TV station that aired SD! tonight. Both had the opportunity to edit out the footage, and with all the inherent animosity towards Arab Americans because of 9/11 and the London tragedy, this should not have aired at all.
That's how I feel about this whole thing. It made me sick.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jul 8, 2005 0:32:20 GMT -5
God,we can't go one f***ing week without something pissing someone off.
It was a taped a show.How in the hell would WWE kniow the attack was gonna happen today?They could'nt have just edited that segment out,it would not have made sense for the storyline or given credibility for Hassan's intelligence.They put a disclaimer MANY times suring the show,so when said topic comes on,they dont have to view it.But some of you act like the remote was never invented or that god never gave legs to stand up and go away.The way I see it,it was just a binch of guys hiding their identities to beat up someone for a heel character.When JBL sent Viscera and Gangrel to help him beat up Taker,did we see JBL as some sort of devilish cult leader,as Gangrel and Viscera "represent"?They were nothing more than hire guns,and even if they were depicted terroists,I was not offended.tehy did not do anything that would make them see terroists.Did they bring a camera and tape Taker being chocked?Did they threaten they would do something with Taker f hassan did'nt get a title shot or something?They were nothing more than masked thugs to help Hassan.That is how I see it.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jul 8, 2005 0:33:50 GMT -5
Personally, I found it offensive, and I articulated that in both an email and a letter I'm sending to both WWE Corporate and to the local TV station that aired SD! tonight. Both had the opportunity to edit out the footage, and with all the inherent animosity towards Arab Americans because of 9/11 and the London tragedy, this should not have aired at all. That's how I feel about this whole thing. It made me sick. Nobody forced you to sit and watch this you know.....and its nothing against you,I just hate people who act like they have no choice over what they watch |
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 8, 2005 0:38:15 GMT -5
Just to prove a point.....     "They were never identified as terrorists"? Uhhhh, right. Just like the sailors in the US NAVY aren't identified as sailors. IT'S THIER UNIFORM, ASSCLOWN! If that's NOT a terrorist uniform in some incarnation, I don't know what the feck is. And am I the only country-dumb redneck Oregonian who sees the simililarity here? I hope the media crucifies Vince for this...or at the very LEAST gives his grapefruits a nice HARD squeeze. Now is that or is that not proof enough? |
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