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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on May 17, 2009 23:13:53 GMT -5
Shows always ending around quater of. Not really. The last few have gone to 5 or 8 till the hour and Mania barely ended in it's time limit. Outside of WWE, TNA and ROH use damn near all of their time (ROH is taped so its easy for them in that regard though).
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Post by Rorschach on May 17, 2009 23:21:39 GMT -5
The title scene is just very heavy with people that the fans are DONE with seeing wrestle for title shots in the near future. Theres no other way to construct Batista or Cena going after a heel champion that hasnt been done to death yet. Triple H will be back to freshen things up. That's what it's looking like...Hunter's usual attempt to say "Hey, I haven't held the belt in X weeks...it's my turn already!" despite the fact you've got guys like MVP just waiting to break through and challenge Orton, not to mention Kofi Kingston, who, like him or not, would be something totally different for Orton and Legacy to face, and might actually be a babyface that *GASP* cannot take out Legacy all by himself, therefore *shudder* gaining some crowd sympathy for himself, and some truly earned hatred for Orton.
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Post by Robbymac on May 17, 2009 23:22:23 GMT -5
Anyone who knows me, or an simply read my sig knows that I think Miz may have had the greatest promo of all time tonight.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on May 17, 2009 23:46:41 GMT -5
Well anyways...good PPV MOTN: Jericho vs. Rey Everything else was atleast good. Big Show-Cena was kind of boring. The ending to that one sucked. I mean, every other match on the show I either enjoyed or really enjoyed. That crap was so stupid. So I'm just supposed to buy Cena, after being able to hardly stand just 2 weeks ago, and despite being beaten by Big Show on Raw a few times since then, can endure all that punishment Big Show dished out tonight including a version of the Vader bomb, then do a glorified fireman's carry and win? Yeah, and Cena supporters wonder why people dislike him. He didn't even sell the injury at all when the match was over. Wasn't he "just cleared to wrestle by doctors"? Instead he goes and waves his hand in front of his face and taunts with the Chicago Cubs guy. How can the guy just lift up a 500+ pound man when he's supposedly not cleared to wrestle for weeks, shows signs that he is not 100% healthy when coming out the previous 2 weeks and has been literally manhandled throughout the entire match? That is bullshit and further cements him as SuperCena: The guy who is booked like an underdog, but in reality is the opposite. Not even selling Big Show's offense after the match ended was just laughably bad. All in all, Umaga, Orton, Morisson, Benjamin, Jericho and even The Miz made tonight's show cool for me. Cena defeating Big Show like that lowered my overall enjoyment by about 2 stars though.
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Post by Rorschach on May 17, 2009 23:52:00 GMT -5
Well anyways...good PPV MOTN: Jericho vs. Rey Everything else was atleast good. Big Show-Cena was kind of boring. The ending to that one sucked. I mean, every other match on the show I either enjoyed or really enjoyed. That crap was so stupid. So I'm just supposed to buy Cena, after being able to hardly stand just 2 weeks ago, and despite being beaten by Big Show on Raw a few times since then, can endure all that punishment Big Show dished out tonight including a version of the Vader bomb, then do a glorified fireman's carry and win? Yeah, and Cena supporters wonder why people dislike him. He didn't even sell the injury at all when the match was over. Wasn't he "just cleared to wrestle by doctors"? Instead he goes and waves his hand in front of his face and taunts with the Chicago Cubs guy. How can the guy just lift up a 500+ pound man when he's supposedly not cleared to wrestle for weeks, shows signs that he is not 100% healthy when coming out the previous 2 weeks and has been literally manhandled throughout the entire match? That is bullexcretory matter and further cements him as SuperCena: The guy who is booked like an underdog, but in reality is the opposite. Not even selling Big Show's offense after the match ended was just laughably bad. All in all, Umaga, Orton, Morisson, Benjamin, Jericho and even The Miz made tonight's show cool for me. Cena defeating Big Show like that lowered my overall enjoyment by about 2 stars though. Wow...this rubbed more people the wrong way than I thought it would. Heh...thought I would be alone in the dislike for the ending.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on May 17, 2009 23:58:57 GMT -5
Just got back from the PPV live! It was my first live event ever. Pretty awesome live, I must say.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 0:01:25 GMT -5
The ending to that one sucked. I mean, every other match on the show I either enjoyed or really enjoyed. That crap was so stupid. So I'm just supposed to buy Cena, after being able to hardly stand just 2 weeks ago, and despite being beaten by Big Show on Raw a few times since then, can endure all that punishment Big Show dished out tonight including a version of the Vader bomb, then do a glorified fireman's carry and win? Yeah, and Cena supporters wonder why people dislike him. He didn't even sell the injury at all when the match was over. Wasn't he "just cleared to wrestle by doctors"? Instead he goes and waves his hand in front of his face and taunts with the Chicago Cubs guy. How can the guy just lift up a 500+ pound man when he's supposedly not cleared to wrestle for weeks, shows signs that he is not 100% healthy when coming out the previous 2 weeks and has been literally manhandled throughout the entire match? That is bullexcretory matter and further cements him as SuperCena: The guy who is booked like an underdog, but in reality is the opposite. Not even selling Big Show's offense after the match ended was just laughably bad. All in all, Umaga, Orton, Morisson, Benjamin, Jericho and even The Miz made tonight's show cool for me. Cena defeating Big Show like that lowered my overall enjoyment by about 2 stars though. Wow...this rubbed more people the wrong way than I thought it would. Heh...thought I would be alone in the dislike for the ending. Consider the source though. There is absolutely no possible way that he could ever have anything remotely positive to say about any outcome that involved Mr. Cena getting his hand raised.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 0:02:35 GMT -5
Just got back from the PPV live! It was my first live event ever. Pretty awesome live, I must say. My ears are still ringing from the pyro.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on May 18, 2009 0:13:52 GMT -5
Just got back from the PPV live! It was my first live event ever. Pretty awesome live, I must say. My ears are still ringing from the pyro. My ears are still ringing from the preteen girls sitting behind me screaming for John Morrison, CM Punk, and John Cena. And my throat hurts from screaming "CENA SUCKS!"
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 0:17:44 GMT -5
And my throat hurts from screaming "CENA SUCKS!" Yeah, I wouldn't have to worry about that. My throat hurts from marking out like crazy when Miz was running down the Cubs.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on May 18, 2009 0:27:36 GMT -5
Wow...this rubbed more people the wrong way than I thought it would. Heh...thought I would be alone in the dislike for the ending. Consider the source though. There is absolutely no possible way that he could ever have anything remotely positive to say about any outcome that involved Mr. Cena getting his hand raised. I said many times last year when Cena came back and wrestled Jericho, it would have been better if he won by DQ or some run-in etc, instead of just winning decisively, and getting the world heavyweight belt (which he didn't even need then) upon his first match back. So...once again you are wrong. Besides, obviously I'm not the only person who feels this way. It was a ridiculous way to end the match, and Cena absolutely NO SOLD the Big Show beating on him for 90% of the match after he won. So, sorry I'm not hailing Cena as the best wrestler in the world after watching that.
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Post by The Possum on May 18, 2009 0:33:28 GMT -5
All of the undercard matches were really good. Orton and Batista was pretty boring in my opinion, but the Naitch return made it worthwhile. I already saw Cena/Show at Judgement Day last year except with JBL in it. The main event was pretty good too. Overall, a good show with lots of solid wrestling.
I think what is really commendable about this show is that every match was given enough time. Not one thing seemed rushed.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on May 18, 2009 0:39:27 GMT -5
^ Yeah, and the Christian vs. Swagger match once again, was really well done, I thought. The undercard was excellent tonight. I just wish there could have been an MVP or Evan Bourne match thrown in somewhere too.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 0:45:16 GMT -5
Consider the source though. There is absolutely no possible way that he could ever have anything remotely positive to say about any outcome that involved Mr. Cena getting his hand raised. I said many times last year when Cena came back and wrestled Jericho, it would have been better if he won by DQ or some run-in etc, instead of just winning decisively, and getting the world heavyweight belt (which he didn't even need then) upon his first match back. So...once again you are wrong. Besides, obviously I'm not the only person who feels this way. It was a ridiculous way to end the match, and Cena absolutely NO SOLD the Big Show beating on him for 90% of the match after he won. So, sorry I'm not hailing Cena as the best wrestler in the world after watching that. Yes, you're not the only person who feels this way. Including myself who said two pages ago that even I felt it was a bit much. But two things... 1. He's still the biggest draw in wrestling, and therefore the best wrestler in the world 2. I'm never wrong. Ever. Someday you'll realize this.
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Post by Rorschach on May 18, 2009 0:46:03 GMT -5
Consider the source though. There is absolutely no possible way that he could ever have anything remotely positive to say about any outcome that involved Mr. Cena getting his hand raised. I said many times last year when Cena came back and wrestled Jericho, it would have been better if he won by DQ or some run-in etc, instead of just winning decisively, and getting the world heavyweight belt (which he didn't even need then) upon his first match back. So...once again you are wrong. Besides, obviously I'm not the only person who feels this way. It was a ridiculous way to end the match, and Cena absolutely NO SOLD the Big Show beating on him for 90% of the match after he won. So, sorry I'm not hailing Cena as the best wrestler in the world after watching that. That was my main point, that there are a lot of us who are upset at the WAY he won, not that he won, necessarily.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 0:49:26 GMT -5
I said many times last year when Cena came back and wrestled Jericho, it would have been better if he won by DQ or some run-in etc, instead of just winning decisively, and getting the world heavyweight belt (which he didn't even need then) upon his first match back. So...once again you are wrong. Besides, obviously I'm not the only person who feels this way. It was a ridiculous way to end the match, and Cena absolutely NO SOLD the Big Show beating on him for 90% of the match after he won. So, sorry I'm not hailing Cena as the best wrestler in the world after watching that. That was my main point, that there are a lot of us who are upset at the WAY he won, not that he won, necessarily. Oh, I knew as soon as he picked Show up. I leaned over to my buddy and said "well this is going to cause a shit storm on the interwebz" I was actually happy it happened that way, because I get a kick out of everyone getting their panties in a wad about it.
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Post by Rorschach on May 18, 2009 0:55:02 GMT -5
That was my main point, that there are a lot of us who are upset at the WAY he won, not that he won, necessarily. Oh, I knew as soon as he picked Show up. I leaned over to my buddy and said "well this is going to cause a excretory matter storm on the interwebz" I was actually happy it happened that way, because I get a kick out of everyone getting their panties in a wad about it. Good to know schadenfreude is alive and well, though if it lives anywhere, it's on the net. That being said, I will defend my right to be upset about it, because it did two things that it should not have done: it made the rest of what had gone before it irrelevant, and it blew a chance at originality or innovation for Cena, which his character desperately needs. If the damned Undertaker can bust out MMA moves...why not Cena busting out a kimura or Guillotine on the Big Show? They teased the fact that he wanted a submission and couldn't use the STF...and they could have done something truly unique with the end and just chose to say "f*** it" and roll with the stupidest, most intelligence insulting ending they could. Hulk Hogan...well, he gets a pass for doing stuff like this cause he's Hulk damn Hogan, and "Hulking up" was his gimmick. I still don't like it much today when I watch his matches, but as a kid, I dug it. But Cena...even if I were a kid today...that ending wouldn't have made sense to me. I'd probably be more concerned that Cena won, if I were a kid watching this match, but I would in fact wonder at how he was able to do what he did.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on May 18, 2009 0:56:55 GMT -5
I said many times last year when Cena came back and wrestled Jericho, it would have been better if he won by DQ or some run-in etc, instead of just winning decisively, and getting the world heavyweight belt (which he didn't even need then) upon his first match back. So...once again you are wrong. Besides, obviously I'm not the only person who feels this way. It was a ridiculous way to end the match, and Cena absolutely NO SOLD the Big Show beating on him for 90% of the match after he won. So, sorry I'm not hailing Cena as the best wrestler in the world after watching that. Yes, you're not the only person who feels this way. Including myself who said two pages ago that even I felt it was a bit much. But two things... 1. He's still the biggest draw in wrestling, and therefore the best wrestler in the world 2. I'm never wrong. Ever. Someday you'll realize this. 1. That is subjective. At one time or another, The Ultimate Warrior was the top draw in wrestling. Still, that doesn't mean everybody considered him the best WRESTLER in the world. To me, top draw is not always equal to best wrestler or best performer. 2. You were wrong, because I did have something positive to say about a Cena victory i.e.: "it would have been better if..." Hey, It's ok man. I know you've never, ever been wrong before, in the history of the universe, but there's a first time for everything.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 1:02:37 GMT -5
Oh, I knew as soon as he picked Show up. I leaned over to my buddy and said "well this is going to cause a excretory matter storm on the interwebz" I was actually happy it happened that way, because I get a kick out of everyone getting their panties in a wad about it. Good to know schadenfreude is alive and well, though if it lives anywhere, it's on the net. That being said, I will defend my right to be upset about it, because it did two things that it should not have done: it made the rest of what had gone before it irrelevant, and it blew a chance at originality or innovation for Cena, which his character desperately needs. If the damned Undertaker can bust out MMA moves...why not Cena busting out a kimura or Guillotine on the Big Show? They teased the fact that he wanted a submission and couldn't use the STF...and they could have done something truly unique with the end and just chose to say "snork it" and roll with the stupidest, most intelligence insulting ending they could. Hulk Hogan...well, he gets a pass for doing stuff like this cause he's Hulk damn Hogan, and "Hulking up" was his gimmick. I still don't like it much today when I watch his matches, but as a kid, I dug it. But Cena...even if I were a kid today...that ending wouldn't have made sense to me. I'd probably be more concerned that Cena won, if I were a kid watching this match, but I would in fact wonder at how he was able to do what he did. I don't think we can think like kids. I was sitting around several kids at the show, and none of them looked around going "how was he able to do that?" They just accept it because he's their hero and thats what he does. I thought the ending was a little bit absurd to be honest, but at the end of the day I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Cena won. The kids are happy. It gives the Anti-Cena brigade some ammo, and thats always fun. So I'm fine with it.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 1:05:31 GMT -5
Yes, you're not the only person who feels this way. Including myself who said two pages ago that even I felt it was a bit much. But two things... 1. He's still the biggest draw in wrestling, and therefore the best wrestler in the world 2. I'm never wrong. Ever. Someday you'll realize this. 1. That is subjective. At one time or another, The Ultimate Warrior was the top draw in wrestling. Still, that doesn't mean everybody considered him the best WRESTLER in the world. To me, top draw is not always equal to best wrestler or best performer. 2. You were wrong, because I did have something positive to say about a Cena victory i.e.: "it would have been better if..." Hey, It's ok man. I know you've never, ever been wrong before, in the history of the universe, but there's a first time for everything. Saying you'd rather Cena have won by DQ or count out so he didn't win the title hardly counts. And wrestling is an entertainment business, and in said entertainment business the goal is to make money. So the person who makes the most money is the best. Period. Warrior was never a bigger draw than Hogan. Ever.
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