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Post by Rorschach on May 18, 2009 1:10:25 GMT -5
Good to know schadenfreude is alive and well, though if it lives anywhere, it's on the net. That being said, I will defend my right to be upset about it, because it did two things that it should not have done: it made the rest of what had gone before it irrelevant, and it blew a chance at originality or innovation for Cena, which his character desperately needs. If the damned Undertaker can bust out MMA moves...why not Cena busting out a kimura or Guillotine on the Big Show? They teased the fact that he wanted a submission and couldn't use the STF...and they could have done something truly unique with the end and just chose to say "snork it" and roll with the stupidest, most intelligence insulting ending they could. Hulk Hogan...well, he gets a pass for doing stuff like this cause he's Hulk damn Hogan, and "Hulking up" was his gimmick. I still don't like it much today when I watch his matches, but as a kid, I dug it. But Cena...even if I were a kid today...that ending wouldn't have made sense to me. I'd probably be more concerned that Cena won, if I were a kid watching this match, but I would in fact wonder at how he was able to do what he did. I don't think we can think like kids. I was sitting around several kids at the show, and none of them looked around going "how was he able to do that?" They just accept it because he's their hero and thats what he does. I thought the ending was a little bit absurd to be honest, but at the end of the day I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Cena won. The kids are happy. It gives the Anti-Cena brigade some ammo, and thats always fun. So I'm fine with it. Yeah, I agree with you...it's really NOT possible to think like they do, unless you are one yourself. The price we pay for "growing up" I suppose. Damn you, Peter Pan! You said if I came away to Neverland with you that one time, I would never grow up! LIES! Filthy STINKING LIES! ;D
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Post by skiller on May 18, 2009 1:12:43 GMT -5
1. That is subjective. At one time or another, The Ultimate Warrior was the top draw in wrestling. Still, that doesn't mean everybody considered him the best WRESTLER in the world. To me, top draw is not always equal to best wrestler or best performer. 2. You were wrong, because I did have something positive to say about a Cena victory i.e.: "it would have been better if..." Hey, It's ok man. I know you've never, ever been wrong before, in the history of the universe, but there's a first time for everything. Saying you'd rather Cena have won by DQ or count out so he didn't win the title hardly counts. And wrestling is an entertainment business, and in said entertainment business the goal is to make money. So the person who makes the most money is the best. Period. Yes, the best draw. Which doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with what they can do in the ring. Anyway, I didn't see the show. But from what I've heard the finish of the Cena/Show sounds like business as usual. How are people rating it compared to what we've seen this year?
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Post by Convoy on May 18, 2009 2:07:22 GMT -5
The stair walk at the end was hilarious.
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Post by Miss RKO on May 18, 2009 4:17:37 GMT -5
I said many times last year when Cena came back and wrestled Jericho, it would have been better if he won by DQ or some run-in etc, instead of just winning decisively, and getting the world heavyweight belt (which he didn't even need then) upon his first match back. So...once again you are wrong. Besides, obviously I'm not the only person who feels this way. It was a ridiculous way to end the match, and Cena absolutely NO SOLD the Big Show beating on him for 90% of the match after he won. So, sorry I'm not hailing Cena as the best wrestler in the world after watching that. That was my main point, that there are a lot of us who are upset at the WAY he won, not that he won, necessarily. If he's got internal injuries there's NO WAY IN HELL he should or could lift Big Show. Its details like this that make it hard to like Cena since he's booked as this unstoppable monster who overcomes the odds. WWE could make fans love him but they revert to the Hogan style of booking.
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Post by parder on May 18, 2009 7:53:39 GMT -5
Good to know schadenfreude is alive and well, though if it lives anywhere, it's on the net. That being said, I will defend my right to be upset about it, because it did two things that it should not have done: it made the rest of what had gone before it irrelevant, and it blew a chance at originality or innovation for Cena, which his character desperately needs. If the damned Undertaker can bust out MMA moves...why not Cena busting out a kimura or Guillotine on the Big Show? They teased the fact that he wanted a submission and couldn't use the STF...and they could have done something truly unique with the end and just chose to say "snork it" and roll with the stupidest, most intelligence insulting ending they could. Hulk Hogan...well, he gets a pass for doing stuff like this cause he's Hulk damn Hogan, and "Hulking up" was his gimmick. I still don't like it much today when I watch his matches, but as a kid, I dug it. But Cena...even if I were a kid today...that ending wouldn't have made sense to me. I'd probably be more concerned that Cena won, if I were a kid watching this match, but I would in fact wonder at how he was able to do what he did. I don't think we can think like kids. I was sitting around several kids at the show, and none of them looked around going "how was he able to do that?" They just accept it because he's their hero and thats what he does. I thought the ending was a little bit absurd to be honest, but at the end of the day I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Cena won. The kids are happy. It gives the Anti-Cena brigade some ammo, and thats always fun. So I'm fine with it. I once heard an interview with Andrew Goldstein (former Smackdown writer from 2006) who said one thing he likes about Cena is that he generates a reaction from everyone. So you're not the only one who thinks that way That said I'm sympathetic to Rorschach's point about the creativity of it. Though that's something lacking in a lot of wrestling today. Cena needs freshening up as well. Personally I'd like to see him change his ring gear. Now that's radical .
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on May 18, 2009 8:08:59 GMT -5
That was my main point, that there are a lot of us who are upset at the WAY he won, not that he won, necessarily. If he's got internal injuries there's NO WAY IN HELL he should or could lift Big Show. Its details like this that make it hard to like Cena since he's booked as this unstoppable monster who overcomes the odds. WWE could make fans love him but they revert to the Hogan style of booking. But.....the fans do love him.
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Post by Miss RKO on May 18, 2009 9:29:28 GMT -5
If he's got internal injuries there's NO WAY IN HELL he should or could lift Big Show. Its details like this that make it hard to like Cena since he's booked as this unstoppable monster who overcomes the odds. WWE could make fans love him but they revert to the Hogan style of booking. But.....the fans do love him. Kids and women
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Post by MAGGLE on May 18, 2009 10:03:03 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this PPV!
This is definitly my favorite Judgement Day PPV ever, sorry 2000.
- First of all we start with CM Punk vs Umaga. This was a decent Match, Umaga used the nervhold WAYYY to often, he started this last year and this makes me mad, that Move is just bad. Anyway, the right guy won. Totally agree with Umaga winning, he needs to be build up.
- ECW Championship Match is next. This Match was awesome. Better then the Backlash Match, I like the Idea of Christan cheating AGAIN to win, because this makes a No DQ Match or even better at Extreme Rules. Although the Face should be the guy demanding a No DQ Match, I like how they turned things around.
- Shelton Benjamin vs John Morrison. Mr.Morrison I think I love you, the springboard 360 on Shelton on the outside was f***ING INSANE! Sheltons springboard Big Boot on Morrison in the corner was also a holy shit moment. Great, GREAT, MATCH. My favorite of the Night.
- The Segment with Miz. First of all, Miz owned EVERYONE in the whole Arena, I dont care if you like him. He just owned Chicago people. I didnt count how often I screamed " OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEDDDD" , but it was ALOT! I dont get why Santino came out, since he is not even close to beeing on the level of Miz, thankgod Miz endet it quick. I like the Chavo vs Santino feud.
- Jericho vs Rey for the IC Title was also a very good Match. The word "GUARANTEE" was used very wisely in pro Wrestling. If you say it, you MEAN IT. Just take Vince for example, since 1998 people know, if he says guarantee, then by god it is going to happen. The match was good and I liked the psychology of Jericho avoiding the 619, but I dont like that Jericho guaranteed that he would win. That word is magic in this business. This was my problem to begin with, I knew that Mysterio was going over, but this totally killed Y2J. If someone is actually counting, he is 0:4 since coming to Smackdown.
- Randy Orton vs Batista. I didnt like this Match at ALL. Randy Orton actet like a little bitch, that is not the Orton I know and that I WANT to know. Ric Flair coming out was a suprise, but more negative then everything. Looks like Evolution(Flair,Triple H and Batista) vs Legacy at I dont know, Summerslam? Yes people, that would mean that Flair returns as active Wrestler, which I think is going to happen.
- John Cena vs Big Show was the worst Match of all. I can only say everything that has been said in this thread. John Cena should have cleanly lost this Match and even if he won, with a FU? I thought this guy couldnt WALK for 3 weeks?
- Edge vs Jeff Hardy. First of all, Edge going over CLEANLY was truly awesome. And NO jeff didnt lose because of Matt, Jeff already recovered from that shot, Edge won this by himself. Does anyone else wonder why Edge spoke with Vicky?
Anyway here are the Matchratings:
CM Punk vs Umaga: *** Christian vs Swagger: ***1/2 Morrison vs Benjamin: **** ( I really liked this Match) Jericho vs Mysterio: ***3/4 Orton vs Batista: **3/4 Big Show vs John Cena : ** Edge vs Jeff Hardy: ***3/4
Overall:
I liked this show. if you ignore Big Show vs Cena, you got a decent show that you can watch.
7/10
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on May 18, 2009 11:11:37 GMT -5
But.....the fans do love him. Kids and women So all those adult men wearing Cena shirts are just two kids stacked up or just women in drag?
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Post by parder on May 18, 2009 12:14:10 GMT -5
Kids and women So all those adult men wearing Cena shirts are just two kids stacked up or just women in drag? Yes. Yes, they are.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on May 18, 2009 12:18:10 GMT -5
Well which one?! I HAVE TO KNOW!!
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Post by Miss RKO on May 18, 2009 13:10:25 GMT -5
Kids and women So all those adult men wearing Cena shirts are just two kids stacked up or just women in drag? Listen to the high pitched pro Cena chants all girls and kids. The anti chants are deeper and man sounding.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on May 18, 2009 14:02:59 GMT -5
That doesn't mean all of the men hate Cena, like I said there is usually a strong number of adult men wearing Cena shirts in crowds.
The guy is loved by 80% of the audience, maybe more.
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Post by Reptar on May 18, 2009 14:13:11 GMT -5
I thought the show was really boring.
Punk vs. Umaga was alright, but there was nothing really special about it. Just an average match.
Christian vs. Swagger was good. These two always have good matches together.
Morrison vs. Benjamin was match of the night, but that's not saying much. A good, almost great match.
Mysterio vs. Jericho was alright, I guess. I don't care about either of these two guys so I only watched parts of it, but what I did see was pretty good.
Batista vs. Orton. Again, I didn't reallly care about either of these guys, so I didn't watch it until the end. It made no sense for Batista to be DQed. It would've been better if Orton had won by interference or DQ. Although I did like Flair running out for the save.
Big Show vs. Cena. I expected this to be a good match, as these two usually work well together. This match sucked, with Big Show beating Cena up for like ten minutes, then Cena hitting one move and winning. Worst match of the night.
Edge vs. Hardy was pretty much like Punk vs. Umaga. A decent match, but nothing special about it.
Overall this pay-per-view was just average. Two good matches, one bad one, two decent ones, and two I just didn't care about. Nothing exciting even happened except for Flair's return.
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Post by Miss RKO on May 18, 2009 14:27:48 GMT -5
I did like that whole yay'ing whenever Randy punched Bats but boo when Bats hit Orton that was pretty funny. ;D
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Post by MGH on May 18, 2009 17:38:51 GMT -5
I'm really, really disappointed in this show. Going in I was thrilled because it looked like it was going to be one of those total in ring efforts for 2:50 like Backlash. Instead it was almost like Mania. Great undercard, get on to the title matches and assorted main events and it goes down the crapper. That isn't necessarily fair to Edge/Jeff which didn't suck, but it wasn't what I'd call great either.
I think they're on the track of turning Edge face sometime in the coming months, between his promos against Jericho, his clean win on Hardy, running down Chavo and co. I'll be really happy if that's the case, because a change could do the guy wonders.
Loved the first four matches then Orton/Batista came. Armageddon 2008 this was not. I had high hopes they'd recreate that awesome match and this was no where near it. Mega disappointment from there. Then Cena ... less said about him being medically unable to compete for weeks, getting thrashed by Show every week .... INCLUDING ALL THROUGHOUT THE MATCH ... then still lifting him for the win and prolonged celebration ... the better *cough*.
Edge/Hardy was fine, just didn't feel all that great, and the show needed an amazing main at that point to get out of that late funk it was in. Punk cashing in would have done it, but once it became apparent that wasn't happening (which I'll admit, when Edge/Hardy went on last I thought was a lock) it was just "....well alright then."
Not nearly as good as Backlash, that's for sure.
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Post by Robbymac on May 18, 2009 18:20:07 GMT -5
I'm really, really disappointed in this show. Going in I was thrilled because it looked like it was going to be one of those total in ring efforts for 2:50 like Backlash. Instead it was almost like Mania. Great undercard, get on to the title matches and assorted main events and it goes down the crapper. That isn't necessarily fair to Edge/Jeff which didn't suck, but it wasn't what I'd call great either. I think they're on the track of turning Edge face sometime in the coming months, between his promos against Jericho, his clean win on Hardy, running down Chavo and co. I'll be really happy if that's the case, because a change could do the guy wonders. Loved the first four matches then Orton/Batista came. Armageddon 2008 this was not. I had high hopes they'd recreate that awesome match and this was no where near it. Mega disappointment from there. Then Cena ... less said about him being medically unable to compete for weeks, getting thrashed by Show every week .... INCLUDING ALL THROUGHOUT THE MATCH ... then still lifting him for the win and prolonged celebration ... the better *cough*. Edge/Hardy was fine, just didn't feel all that great, and the show needed an amazing main at that point to get out of that late funk it was in. Punk cashing in would have done it, but once it became apparent that wasn't happening (which I'll admit, when Edge/Hardy went on last I thought was a lock) it was just "....well alright then." Not nearly as good as Backlash, that's for sure. I think the crowd killed Jeff-Edge. Speaking from sitting in the building everyone, and I mean EVERYONE just wanted them to get to the finish. When Edge won, everyone started looking at the stage waiting for Punk... Then it just ended. Kind of a buzz kill. It was enjoyable show to attend, but when it was over I felt like I'd just watched a house show with a lot of pyro
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Post by Rorschach on May 18, 2009 19:19:18 GMT -5
I'm really, really disappointed in this show. Going in I was thrilled because it looked like it was going to be one of those total in ring efforts for 2:50 like Backlash. Instead it was almost like Mania. Great undercard, get on to the title matches and assorted main events and it goes down the crapper. That isn't necessarily fair to Edge/Jeff which didn't suck, but it wasn't what I'd call great either. I think they're on the track of turning Edge face sometime in the coming months, between his promos against Jericho, his clean win on Hardy, running down Chavo and co. I'll be really happy if that's the case, because a change could do the guy wonders. Loved the first four matches then Orton/Batista came. Armageddon 2008 this was not. I had high hopes they'd recreate that awesome match and this was no where near it. Mega disappointment from there. Then Cena ... less said about him being medically unable to compete for weeks, getting thrashed by Show every week .... INCLUDING ALL THROUGHOUT THE MATCH ... then still lifting him for the win and prolonged celebration ... the better *cough*. Edge/Hardy was fine, just didn't feel all that great, and the show needed an amazing main at that point to get out of that late funk it was in. Punk cashing in would have done it, but once it became apparent that wasn't happening (which I'll admit, when Edge/Hardy went on last I thought was a lock) it was just "....well alright then." Not nearly as good as Backlash, that's for sure. I think the crowd killed Jeff-Edge. Speaking from sitting in the building everyone, and I mean EVERYONE just wanted them to get to the finish. When Edge won, everyone started looking at the stage waiting for Punk... Then it just ended. Kind of a buzz kill. It was enjoyable show to attend, but when it was over I felt like I'd just watched a house show with a lot of pyro I won't lie...I was watching the clock too...and when Punk didn't come out, it WAS a big "WTF?" moment...but I also understand if they want to wait, and make it a true surprise when he DOES get around to cashing it in. Maybe the idea is that he's got his eyes on Extreme Rules, when both champions are going to be, theoretically, at their weakest after extreme matches? Dunno.
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