Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on May 30, 2009 23:50:23 GMT -5
IMO, the Japanese Strong Style is simply better because it feels a LOT more realistic. A move like the FU would have to be done NUMEROUS times to put away certain people, and rightfully so. In no way is it believable for a tank like Morishima or a 2-dollar-steak tough Kobashi to stay down from 1 FU. Often, a guy dishes out their trademark moves, which can also end matches, 2-3 times before they break out their BIG move, which usually seals the f'n deal. Personally, I feel that Cena's FU would be a sub-finisher at best in Japan. No way that it would finish a big match with 1 hit.
The Undertaker is the closest to that style that the WWE currently has. I'm sure he works stiff more often than most. His Chokeslam has put people away before, but the Tombstone is his sure-fire match ender. People RARELY kick out. And if he breaks out the Last Ride, that's pretty much the ass of anybody that's not on his level of stardom. A guy like HBK may kick out, but he's HBK.
I just want a change of pace. The WWE style is pretty stale.
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Post by Crystal Visions on May 30, 2009 23:51:05 GMT -5
Well then maybe then you should get better wrestlers for your main event. You shouldn't force everyone to suck just because your most charismatic guy sucks. That's gonna make ratings for the entire show go down.
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Post by Mecca on May 30, 2009 23:51:51 GMT -5
Considering the ME was pretty much 80% Hogan or nWo, it wasn't that hard to make them look like crap. Still that shouldn't happen The ME Should be the most anticpated match on the card In WCW and Recently on RAW its where People leave or switch the channel I still thought it was nice that they atleast had something for everyone, they had workrate, they had the big storyline and some comedy for people who were into that. WCW in it's peak did have something for every kind of fan.
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Post by Crystal Visions on May 30, 2009 23:52:32 GMT -5
I also like the puro's style that something simple like an arm bar can take you out, but at the same time a finisher may not. It makes the match so much more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 23:52:47 GMT -5
You said it right there the Most Charismatic guy
IMO at Least Charisma>Wrestling Skill
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 23:53:50 GMT -5
I also like the puro's style that something simple like an arm bar can take you out, but at the same time a finisher may not. It makes the match so much more interesting. But then why even call it a Finisher at all? If its Kicked Out of more times than it Wins the match its not a finisher
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Post by Mecca on May 30, 2009 23:54:18 GMT -5
You said it right there the Most Charismatic guy IMO at Least Charisma>Wrestling Skill In the world of WWE sure, but that's not what everyone is into. Not everyone is into 20 minute promos and 5 minute matches with guys who can't work.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 23:56:01 GMT -5
You said it right there the Most Charismatic guy IMO at Least Charisma>Wrestling Skill In the world of WWE sure, but that's not what everyone is into. Not everyone is into 20 minute promos and 5 minute matches with guys who can't work. I don't like Twenty Minute promo's either which is why I don't why everyone is so High on SRS Jericurl but still its a fundemental rule of wrestling that you can be as good as a God but if no one wants to see you it won't matter
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Post by Mecca on May 30, 2009 23:57:35 GMT -5
In the world of WWE sure, but that's not what everyone is into. Not everyone is into 20 minute promos and 5 minute matches with guys who can't work. I don't like Twenty Minute promo's either which is why I don't why everyone is so High on SRS Jericurl but still its a fundemental rule of wrestling that you can be as good as a God but if no one wants to see you it won't matter I still think most of the people who are on the Jericho wagon liked him over a decade ago so they've just stuck with him. You can get over without talking if you are good enough, Benoit did it even though the WWE liked to ignorei t, RVD did it, he wasn't a great worker but his work was unique and exciting enough to get reaction.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 30, 2009 23:59:14 GMT -5
Not everyone is into 20 minute promos and 5 minute matches with guys who can't work. that or a 20 minute match with 15 minutes of it being nothing but rest holds
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 23:59:43 GMT -5
RVD I can see but I never saw it in Benoit
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 0:02:45 GMT -5
RVD I can see but I never saw it in Benoit Benoit was pretty damn over for a long period of time, he was also bullet proof in that they could job him to anyone and it never hurt his status.
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Post by Krimzon on May 31, 2009 0:03:12 GMT -5
They turned Benoit's complete lack of charisma & personality into his gimmick. He was a wrestling machine and he was damn good at playing that role. His intensity made people buy into him. In the ring, he was one of the most intense people you'd ever come across. That hooked people.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 0:04:11 GMT -5
I know he was over I was referring to you saying he was a great talker
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 0:05:27 GMT -5
I know he was over I was referring to you saying he was a great talker No No I'm saying those guys got over with what they were in the ring while not being good mic workers. You could argue that neither one even has average charisma when speaking.
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Post by Crystal Visions on May 31, 2009 0:06:21 GMT -5
You can have a charismatic guy who can also wrestle. Not everyone has to Kennedy.
And if you're talking about buyrates, and you say people change the channel after the good wrestling instead of watching the charisma guy....wouldn't taht mean the good wrestling is what's selling?
And if you're a good worker, there's no such thing as "rest holds" any wrestlling hold should mean something. If you have a guy in a headlock, it should be to try and make him submit, not to "transition" to another move.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 0:09:30 GMT -5
OK I'll admit I laughed at ''Not Everyone has to Kennedy''
Kudos to you good sir
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 0:10:02 GMT -5
That's kind of the thing, if people were watching WCW's midcard with Benoit, Booker. Mysterio, Jericho etc then turning it when Hogan came on that just reinforces that work is more important than charisma.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 0:13:17 GMT -5
I'll admit I'm probably not getting the point across but what I'm saying is that they should'nt be making the ME look bad
Although to get back on topic is Masato Tanaka still actively wrestling? I could see him getting another shot in WWE
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Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on May 31, 2009 0:13:59 GMT -5
You can have a charismatic guy who can also wrestle. Not everyone has to Kennedy. And if you're talking about buyrates, and you say people change the channel after the good wrestling instead of watching the charisma guy....wouldn't taht mean the good wrestling is what's selling? And if you're a good worker, there's no such thing as "rest holds" any wrestlling hold should mean something. If you have a guy in a headlock, it should be to try and make him submit, not to "transition" to another move. That's what I freakin' LOATHE about most people in the WWE. They work the same damn hold forever! CHANGE IT UP! Want to work the head/neck while catching a breather? Headlock, Chinlock, King Cobra Hold, Front Chancery, Guillotine, Camel Clutch, Surfboard, Rear Naked, Full Nelson, Grounded Full Nelson, Sleeper, ANYTHING! Just use variety! And would it kill ya to play to the crowd while doing so? Do SOMETHING besides keeping the same damn hold on for an eon! And after the hold is eventually broken, don't go back to the same one!!! I can go my entire life without seeing Randy Orton do 1 more Chinlock.
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