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Post by Joekishi on May 31, 2009 0:35:17 GMT -5
IMO, the Japanese Strong Style is simply better because it feels a LOT more realistic. A move like the FU would have to be done NUMEROUS times to put away certain people, and rightfully so. In no way is it believable for a tank like Morishima or a 2-dollar-steak tough Kobashi to stay down from 1 FU. Often, a guy dishes out their trademark moves, which can also end matches, 2-3 times before they break out their BIG move, which usually seals the f'n deal. Personally, I feel that Cena's FU would be a sub-finisher at best in Japan. No way that it would finish a big match with 1 hit. The Undertaker is the closest to that style that the WWE currently has. I'm sure he works stiff more often than most. His Chokeslam has put people away before, but the Tombstone is his sure-fire match ender. People RARELY kick out. And if he breaks out the Last Ride, that's pretty much the ass of anybody that's not on his level of stardom. A guy like HBK may kick out, but he's HBK. I just want a change of pace. The WWE style is pretty stale. It usually takes 2-3 FU's to take out an opponent, the thing you're speaking of isn't strictly strong style, that's just how the psychology of Japanese Wrestling. A Strong Styled wrestler uses martial arts and submissions to wear out the opponent long enough to hit their finisher. Mutoh hits a moonsault it's over. Chono locks in the STF you're done. Kobashi actually nails you with the Orange Crush you're done. Main events here and main events there, the finisher needs to be done over again to finish the guy off. However on regular TV shows you won't see guys kick out of a Liger Bomb, high Fly flow, or the Landslide.
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Post by honsou on May 31, 2009 0:38:22 GMT -5
The Undertaker is the closest to that style that the WWE currently has. I'm sure he works stiff more often than most. His Chokeslam has put people away before, but the Tombstone is his sure-fire match ender. People RARELY kick out. Funny thing is, the tombstone is seen a lot in japan, and is really more of a mid match move then an actual finisher.
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Post by Crystal Visions on May 31, 2009 1:20:19 GMT -5
You can have a charismatic guy who can also wrestle. Not everyone has to Kennedy. And if you're talking about buyrates, and you say people change the channel after the good wrestling instead of watching the charisma guy....wouldn't taht mean the good wrestling is what's selling? And if you're a good worker, there's no such thing as "rest holds" any wrestlling hold should mean something. If you have a guy in a headlock, it should be to try and make him submit, not to "transition" to another move. That's what I freakin' LOATHE about most people in the WWE. They work the same damn hold forever! CHANGE IT UP! Want to work the head/neck while catching a breather? Headlock, Chinlock, King Cobra Hold, Front Chancery, Guillotine, Camel Clutch, Surfboard, Rear Naked, Full Nelson, Grounded Full Nelson, Sleeper, ANYTHING! Just use variety! And would it kill ya to play to the crowd while doing so? Do SOMETHING besides keeping the same damn hold on for an eon! And after the hold is eventually broken, don't go back to the same one!!! I can go my entire life without seeing Randy Orton do 1 more Chinlock. It's not even just that. You don't need to use a submission because you're tired. You should do it to work over that body part. Hokuto's one of my favorites of that. She may start with a sharp shooter, turn it into an stf, turn that into a crippler crossface, then turn that into a camel clutch. It was pretty damn awesome stuff. She wouldn't just do it to do it either. She may have been in the stf and then the other girl reached for the ropes, so she grabbed that hand and turned it into a crippler crossface. ARSION proved submission wrestling can be extremely fun to watch, as long as the submissions mean something. If you know an arm bar could win a match or even a leg grapevine, then just going for those can put chills down your spine and make you lose your breath. ARSION's one of my favorite feds for that. I mean hell, I'm not even talking about the WWE making their wrestlers bump like Toyota and stiff like Hotta all the time. Just have the wrestling be better. You can work snug and bump just a bit, but make the work itself good.
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Post by Bobby Womack on May 31, 2009 2:28:01 GMT -5
You can get over without talking if you are good enough, Benoit did it even though the WWE liked to ignorei t, RVD did it, he wasn't a great worker but his work was unique and exciting enough to get reaction. wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer That's kind of the thing, if people were watching WCW's midcard with Benoit, Booker. Mysterio, Jericho etc then turning it when Hogan came on that just reinforces that work is more important than charisma. but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 31, 2009 2:44:25 GMT -5
You can get over without talking if you are good enough, Benoit did it even though the WWE liked to ignorei t, RVD did it, he wasn't a great worker but his work was unique and exciting enough to get reaction. wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer That's kind of the thing, if people were watching WCW's midcard with Benoit, Booker. Mysterio, Jericho etc then turning it when Hogan came on that just reinforces that work is more important than charisma. but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that It's hard to understand your points when you don't use periods or capitalization. Work + charisma= dynamite. Charisma and "work rate" are loose terms and don't really work. Ric Flair had charisma AND work rate. Hogan had charisma. But that still isn't it. The real issue is canned wrestling vs. full wrestling. That's the ticket. This workrate vs. Charisma angle is TOO simplistic. Canned wrestling is for that masses. Full length wrestling is for wrestling fans who respect wrestling. There have been plenty of guys who could talk, have the look AND back it up in the ring. Guys like HBK. WWF/E has never been anything but kick, punch, finisher wrestling anyway- except in the Shawn/Bret era. Curiously enough, WWF/E in the last two decades has been full of guys about "work rate" Which, by the way is telling a story in the ring, not moves/minute" Randy Savage in his prime was the best example of this. HBK is the modern example. It's not work rate. It's being able to tell a story w/o words- it's a big part of puro and indy wrestling. In WWE it can't be done because of the shortness of the TV matches.
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 31, 2009 2:50:18 GMT -5
Canned wrestling= simplistic story telling, btw.
Hogan is the main offender when it comes to canned wrestling. It's for fans who don't really want to invest in wrestling and are really an instant gratification throwaway. Didn't the WWE figure that a lot of the Hulkamaniacs and Attitude fans were casual fans who didn't really like wrestling and weren't going to stick around.
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Post by charlesmc206 on May 31, 2009 2:52:56 GMT -5
You can get over without talking if you are good enough, Benoit did it even though the WWE liked to ignorei t, RVD did it, he wasn't a great worker but his work was unique and exciting enough to get reaction. wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer That's kind of the thing, if people were watching WCW's midcard with Benoit, Booker. Mysterio, Jericho etc then turning it when Hogan came on that just reinforces that work is more important than charisma. but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that Dude, do you just come on to this board for the specific purpose of bashing "smarks"? I swear, I have never read a single post of yours that doesn't involve trolling of some sort. I've never even read a post of yours that wasn't negative or condescending in some way. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks selling records determines the quality of music and the quality of a movie depends solely on how many people you can sucker in on opening weekend. The funny thing is that all of the people you brought up could actually "work" in your words, no one denies that Hogan or Cena can get a crowd to react and buy in, people just have their own tastes which seems to be a huge problem with you.
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 2:54:49 GMT -5
You can get over without talking if you are good enough, Benoit did it even though the WWE liked to ignorei t, RVD did it, he wasn't a great worker but his work was unique and exciting enough to get reaction. wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer That's kind of the thing, if people were watching WCW's midcard with Benoit, Booker. Mysterio, Jericho etc then turning it when Hogan came on that just reinforces that work is more important than charisma. but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that Did you miss the point of what we were arguing? Your argument is that WCW's midcard didn't take away from it's mainevent while he said it did... This idea that no one cares about the great matches that took place on WCW's midcard is also ludicrous. What drove WCW was the NWO but what hooked more fans was the overall product that did provide something for everybody.
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 31, 2009 2:56:12 GMT -5
wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that Dude, do you just come on to this board for the specific purpose of bashing "smarks"? I swear, I have never read a single post of yours that doesn't involve trolling of some sort. I've never even read a post of yours that wasn't negative or condescending in some way. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks selling records determines the quality of music and the quality of a movie depends solely on how many people you can sucker in on opening weekend. The funny thing is that all of the people you brought up could actually "work" in your words, no one denies that Hogan or Cena can get a crowd to react and buy in, people just have their own tastes which seems to be a huge problem with you. I've noticed this. A lot of people really think that "smarks" are just stupid and full of shit and don't know anything and that the Hogan standard is the only thing that matters. If money was the only motivator in wrestling, a lot of good stuff in wrestling would not exist. It's a factor for some moreso that others but it hasn't created the great works of art. One of my favorite wrestlers is Rick Martel. I enjoy a good, talker, a great gimmicky character that is simplistic but I love the wrestling aspect. The in-ring storytelling and I think all wrestlers do to.
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 2:59:35 GMT -5
Dude, do you just come on to this board for the specific purpose of bashing "smarks"? I swear, I have never read a single post of yours that doesn't involve trolling of some sort. I've never even read a post of yours that wasn't negative or condescending in some way. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks selling records determines the quality of music and the quality of a movie depends solely on how many people you can sucker in on opening weekend. The funny thing is that all of the people you brought up could actually "work" in your words, no one denies that Hogan or Cena can get a crowd to react and buy in, people just have their own tastes which seems to be a huge problem with you. I've noticed this. A lot of people really think that "smarks" are just stupid and full of excretory matter and don't know anything and that the Hogan standard is the only thing that matters. If money was the only motivator in wrestling, a lot of good stuff in wrestling would not exist. It's a factor for some moreso that others but it hasn't created the great works of art. One of my favorite wrestlers is Rick Martel. I enjoy a good, talker, a great gimmicky character that is simplistic but I love the wrestling aspect. The in-ring storytelling and I think all wrestlers do to. This trend is growing on many wrestling forums. There was a time when wrestling forums were all about talking about our favorite workers many of which were midcard guys we thought dominated in the ring and deserved better spots. Today it's become "Oh yea who drew the most money!" it's like um ok I thought we were just talking about the guys we liked? It was like a portion of the "smarks" turned the words smark and smart mark into dirty terms and turned into these pseudo above the business marks where they'd consistently talk about how wrestling is carny and all that's important is drawing money.
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Post by Bobby Womack on May 31, 2009 3:00:22 GMT -5
wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that It's hard to understand your points when you don't use periods or capitalization. Work + charisma= dynamite. Charisma and "work rate" are loose terms and don't really work. Ric Flair had charisma AND work rate. Hogan had charisma. But that still isn't it. The real issue is canned wrestling vs. full wrestling. That's the ticket. This workrate vs. Charisma angle is TOO simplistic. Canned wrestling is for that masses. Full length wrestling is for wrestling fans who respect wrestling. There have been plenty of guys who could talk, have the look AND back it up in the ring. Guys like HBK. WWF/E has never been anything but kick, punch, finisher wrestling anyway- except in the Shawn/Bret era. Curiously enough, WWF/E in the last two decades has been full of guys about "work rate" Which, by the way is telling a story in the ring, not moves/minute" Randy Savage in his prime was the best example of this. HBK is the modern example. It's not work rate. It's being able to tell a story w/o words- it's a big part of puro and indy wrestling. In WWE it can't be done because of the shortness of the TV matches. youre right it is far too simplistic to narrow the discussion to workrate vs charisma, but thats what the guy i was quoting was discussing word for word while mentioning benoit and hogan in the same vein, and seeing as those guys are almost perfect representations of said terms, i thought it was worth trying, hogan as the personification of charisma without using his workrate, and benoit as workrate and a black hole of charisma, one of them being the driving force behind wrestlings 2 biggest boom periods, and the other who had a couple of the most forgettable title reigns ever, i find it hard for a case to be made that workrate is more important than charisma and i think the whole 'telling a story without words' cant be done in the wwe because there just isnt enough of a market for it in the usa in 2009 to appeal to anything more than a niche group, theyre trying to make an accessible mainstream product and 60 minute draws wont hold the attention of most fans nowdays, which is unfortunate for those of us who enjoy it, but one has to be a realist about these things instead of campaigning for wwe to change their ways, theres plenty of other outlets to see wrestling like that
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 3:03:28 GMT -5
You do understand the WWE has conditioned their market yes? When people say "that won't work in the WWE" it's because for years and years they've conditioned their fans that those things won't work.
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 31, 2009 3:07:08 GMT -5
You do understand the WWE has conditioned their market yes? When people say "that won't work in the WWE" it's because for years and years they've conditioned their fans that those things won't work. This. They've conditioned their fans (the massive majority of wrestling fans) that anything other than big guys kicking and punching each other is a failure by promoting it as such. The only hope is Triple H. Love him or hate him, I think he knows how to balance sports entertainment and wrestling.
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 3:12:49 GMT -5
You do understand the WWE has conditioned their market yes? When people say "that won't work in the WWE" it's because for years and years they've conditioned their fans that those things won't work. This. They've conditioned their fans (the massive majority of wrestling fans) that anything other than big guys kicking and punching each other is a failure by promoting it as such. The only hope is Triple H. Love him or hate him, I think he knows how to balance sports entertainment and wrestling. Provided he's not wrestling since we all know how the wrestling and booking at the same time story usually goes. There are plenty of things that are proven to be things fans like that either have or have serious potential to draw money that the WWE has never even attempted to do because they don't care. Lots of people like Tag and Cruiser wrestling, but we get stuck with Vince's bodybuilder obsession or his one that requires the only thing that you need to have to get a job is to be the child of a former employee.
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Post by Bobby Womack on May 31, 2009 3:13:03 GMT -5
wwe tried to ignore it? they gave him the damn title and he still wasnt over enough to be the focus of the show or a main eventer but they didnt do that, everybody knows that the first couple of hours of nitro were channel flipping time and that everyone was on the edge of their seat to see what was happening with the nwo, you seem to be forgetting that hogan and co got them all their ratings and buyrates despite not being good workers (according to you), work is never more important than charisma, workrate/technical wrestling/whatever else you wanna call it accounts for about 10% of the importance in a wrestling package or even less, as seen by guys like hogan, warrior, goldberg, stone cold post injury, rock, and the list goes on, none of them put on matches that workrate freaks rated highly but nobody who matters cared, they knew how to get the fans into their characters and their matches and thats all that mattered, charisma is everythig in pro wrestling, putting on the most convincing fake fight is nothing, people can watch real fights for that Did you miss the point of what we were arguing? Your argument is that WCW's midcard didn't take away from it's mainevent while he said it did... This idea that no one cares about the great matches that took place on WCW's midcard is also ludicrous. What drove WCW was the NWO but what hooked more fans was the overall product that did provide something for everybody. yeah, i totally dont agree with what that guy said, the midcard in wcw was why i always gave it the nod over wwe and ecw, i just took issue with the exact things i quoted from your post Dude, do you just come on to this board for the specific purpose of bashing "smarks"? I swear, I have never read a single post of yours that doesn't involve trolling of some sort. I've never even read a post of yours that wasn't negative or condescending in some way. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks selling records determines the quality of music and the quality of a movie depends solely on how many people you can sucker in on opening weekend. The funny thing is that all of the people you brought up could actually "work" in your words, no one denies that Hogan or Cena can get a crowd to react and buy in, people just have their own tastes which seems to be a huge problem with you. funnily enough most of the albums i own would be lucky to go cardboard not to mention platinum, just like a lot of wrestling ive enjoyed was performed in front of tiny crowds, what i am against though is people with a distorted perception of reality, if you love puro or the indies thats great, just dont come out and say that an ironman match featuring your 2 favorite workers would sell out msg and that every major promotion are idiots for not booking it, people can enjoy what they want but i always roll my eyes when they come on and try to push it on everyone as the best thing ever, people need to learn that theres a huge difference between 'favorite' and 'best' and that its all subjective and all opinions You do understand the WWE has conditioned their market yes? When people say "that won't work in the WWE" it's because for years and years they've conditioned their fans that those things won't work. you do understand that the average casual wrestling fan which makes up most of their audience (not diehards) have very short attention spans and watch wrestling for something a little light hearted yes? id wager that they have no desire to watch a card full of long, drawn out, emotionally draining matches no matter how good they are
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 31, 2009 3:13:18 GMT -5
Bit of a change from "too Asian looking". At least Morishima wasn't hired because they didn't like Harley Race's claims that he'd be the new Terry Gordy. ...the too asian thing was a joke. One that was started on this board... and was picked up by a NEWZ site :-p
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Starlight Starbright
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 31, 2009 3:15:16 GMT -5
This. They've conditioned their fans (the massive majority of wrestling fans) that anything other than big guys kicking and punching each other is a failure by promoting it as such. The only hope is Triple H. Love him or hate him, I think he knows how to balance sports entertainment and wrestling. Provided he's not wrestling since we all know how the wrestling and booking at the same time story usually goes. There are plenty of things that are proven to be things fans like that either have or have serious potential to draw money that the WWE has never even attempted to do because they don't care. Lots of people like Tag and Cruiser wrestling, but we get stuck with Vince's bodybuilder obsession or his one that requires the only thing that you need to have to get a job is to be the child of a former employee. Vince doesn't prefer bodybuilders. He just knows (sadly) that that's what the mainstream/drop-in fans (the ones who fund the WWE by buying merch, ppvs and tickets) want as a top wrestler.
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 3:19:43 GMT -5
Did you miss the point of what we were arguing? Your argument is that WCW's midcard didn't take away from it's mainevent while he said it did... This idea that no one cares about the great matches that took place on WCW's midcard is also ludicrous. What drove WCW was the NWO but what hooked more fans was the overall product that did provide something for everybody. yeah, i totally dont agree with what that guy said, the midcard in wcw was why i always gave it the nod over wwe and ecw, i just took issue with the exact things i quoted from your post Dude, do you just come on to this board for the specific purpose of bashing "smarks"? I swear, I have never read a single post of yours that doesn't involve trolling of some sort. I've never even read a post of yours that wasn't negative or condescending in some way. You seem like the kind of guy that thinks selling records determines the quality of music and the quality of a movie depends solely on how many people you can sucker in on opening weekend. The funny thing is that all of the people you brought up could actually "work" in your words, no one denies that Hogan or Cena can get a crowd to react and buy in, people just have their own tastes which seems to be a huge problem with you. funnily enough most of the albums i own would be lucky to go cardboard not to mention platinum, just like a lot of wrestling ive enjoyed was performed in front of tiny crowds, what i am against though is people with a distorted perception of reality, if you love puro or the indies thats great, just dont come out and say that an ironman match featuring your 2 favorite workers would sell out msg and that every major promotion are idiots for not booking it, people can enjoy what they want but i always roll my eyes when they come on and try to push it on everyone as the best thing ever, people need to learn that theres a huge difference between 'favorite' and 'best' and that its all subjective and all opinions I don't argue that, I don't think the promotion should be run specifically for me and my tastes, I'm likely a minority I know that. But what I will argue is that they aren't maximizing their business when every worker wrestles very similar other than their 5 signature moves, everybody cuts the same cookie cutter promos and nearly everyone they call up from development looks like they could be related to each other. Variety is the spice of life, with as many hours of TV as they have every week every show could feature numerous different styles and traits of wrestling but they don't do that. Everything is to cookie cutter everything is the same. To many guys look the same, wrestle the same and talk the same. I want to see different guys with different styles in and out of the ring mesh together. I want to see fast past cruiserweight style matches and heavyweight style matches in the same show not cruisers working heavyweight style. Just little things like that, variety, different looks, different promo styles, different wrestling styles, providing something for the wide range of wrestling fans out there not taking every person and putting them into this nice little cooker cutter shape and telling the fans to open up and swallow it.
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Post by Starlight Starbright on May 31, 2009 3:20:34 GMT -5
funnily enough most of the albums i own would be lucky to go cardboard not to mention platinum, just like a lot of wrestling ive enjoyed was performed in front of tiny crowds, what i am against though is people with a distorted perception of reality, if you love puro or the indies thats great, just dont come out and say that an ironman match featuring your 2 favorite workers would sell out msg and that every major promotion are idiots for not booking it, people can enjoy what they want but i always roll my eyes when they come on and try to push it on everyone as the best thing ever, people need to learn that theres a huge difference between 'favorite' and 'best' and that its all subjective and all opinions It's not a "distorted perception of reality" anything booked right can sell out. ANYTHING. People liking other things better is not a distorted perception of reality. WWE is not the end all be all just because they managed to promote themselves as the best EVAH. Do you listen to Bobby Womack, btw? My dad and brother loved him and Johnny Guitar Watson. Edit based on Mecca's new post: Contrived, cookie cutter wrestling may run it's course with the real fans and WWE might find themselves alienating the lifers.
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Post by Mecca on May 31, 2009 3:27:20 GMT -5
I've been a fan for as long as I can remember, I can't remember a time wrestling wasn't part of my life.
Right now it's like they take everyone put them in development and they come out as clones of each other right down to how they look. If you showed someone who wasn't aware of wrestling a picture of legacy, they could buy those guys are related to each other.
I always thought the best thing for wrestling was to have unique characters who had different looks and ring/promo styles to give all sorts of different fans wrestlers they could relate with and latch onto, I dunno maybe I'm wrong.
And you can call me Jeff since it's my name, I always kinda smile when people refer to me as Mecca though.
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