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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 15, 2008 1:32:21 GMT -5
Say what you will about Storm's observations, but THIS is a very valid question. Agreed. I find it kind of funny, people mocking him for posting his own opinion on his own website. As an actual wrestler, who has booked actual wrestling matches before, come up with actual angles, with people who care about what he think, how is he bitter, or the like? Especially considering fans aren't shy of doing the same thing, only with less actual credibility.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Dec 15, 2008 1:38:05 GMT -5
The thing is, that's not even true. TNA became a lot more serious when Russo left the first time during the weekly PPV era. They were giving us 3 hours of GOOD wrestling action every week, and they ended up getting big enough for TV. Even during the early days of Impact the company was still pretty serious and seemed to really want to be the number 1 company in North America. They tried to get better Impact ratings but nothing really seemed to work. After a whole bunch of 1.0's it seems like they just decided that they can't do any better and just stopped trying. When I watch TNA now I don't feel like I"m seeing it grow, I feel like I'm seeing it at it's peak and the company is celebrating like it's achieved something, when it really hasn't. To sum up how I feel on TNA, I'll use a specific statistic. TNA has on their roster: Kurt Angle, Sting, Booker T, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Beer Money, MCMG, LAX, a pretty deep roster of X-Division talent, and a great roster of women, yet they somehow manage to underwhelm me every time that I watch. Something seriously needs to be done if the company wants to have a shot at getting any bigger. I don't like how you kinda go "After Russo left,it was all serious and great, and then it died when Russo came back. You had people complimenting about Dusty and his booking, as well as things like Jarrett's reign, Joe's X run, 3LK, and how most of the guys had no personalities. I don't really see a difference from the 2004 era and now. You had your serious and comedy aspect, you had the matches, and you had a bunch of things. TNA has always been some random thing, where you had a lot of aspects change to try to get people's attention. I don't see them not trying, as they wouldn't be doing a lot of the stuff they do if they didn't. All I know is that there was a WHITE HOT angle in LAX vs. Styles and Daniels that was going on in TNA when Russo came in. That feud was getting to the point of a blood fued. Within one month of Russo coming in, the feud was over and in two months the team of Daniels and Styles broken up and then left to flounder to do nothing as singles. Hell, LAX in general back then was white hot. They went from a gimmick that was based on real life events and a very edgy feel to "generic hispanic gangster" gimmicks that had no edge at all, no mission, no momentum.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Dec 15, 2008 1:40:16 GMT -5
TNA managed to drag negative comments out of Lance Storm?
Next you'll be telling me that the sky is up, the grass is green, and Hardcore Holly has a nice dropkick.
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Post by rawthentic on Dec 15, 2008 1:41:53 GMT -5
Curt Hennig was the AWA World Champ wasent he? I know it's defunct, but im sure it meant quite a bit at the time. ADDED: Yes he was. He was AWA World champ for a year. I don't question the titles prestige when the likes of Hulk Hogan, Nick Bockwinkle, Jerry Lawler, Verne Gagne, etc. held it. Forgot about the AWA World Championship. My bad. Still, my point stands. There have been a lot of wrestlers that can be considered to have had successful careers without winning The Big One. We can just replace Curt Hennig with say... Scott Hall. Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts can also help hammer the point home as well. I wouldent put Storm on a lot of those guys level, as far as being amazed that he never once held a world title. I would put him on the level of an Owen Hart though. I don't think that discredits his career, and i enjoy Storm, and his commentary. EDIT:Actually, Piper was the NWA/ECCW champ in 1979 i just read. I thought i read somewhere that he was never a world champ, but didnt NWA have a crapload of world titles? Would Ole call that title a joke? Curt Hennig held the same title as well.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 15, 2008 1:49:10 GMT -5
I don't like how you kinda go "After Russo left,it was all serious and great, and then it died when Russo came back. You had people complimenting about Dusty and his booking, as well as things like Jarrett's reign, Joe's X run, 3LK, and how most of the guys had no personalities. I don't really see a difference from the 2004 era and now. You had your serious and comedy aspect, you had the matches, and you had a bunch of things. TNA has always been some random thing, where you had a lot of aspects change to try to get people's attention. I don't see them not trying, as they wouldn't be doing a lot of the stuff they do if they didn't. All I know is that there was a WHITE HOT angle in LAX vs. Styles and Daniels that was going on in TNA when Russo came in. That feud was getting to the point of a blood fued. Within one month of Russo coming in, the feud was over and in two months the team of Daniels and Styles broken up and then left to flounder to do nothing as singles. Hell, LAX in general back then was white hot. They went from a gimmick that was based on real life events and a very edgy feel to "generic hispanic gangster" gimmicks that had no edge at all, no mission, no momentum. Right, cause LAX getting owned by Kip and BG James, along with Bullet Bob, refusing to wrestle, and losing almost all their matches was such a gravy train that Russo derailed. Please, LAX were just starting to go up the hill when Russo came in, and being the team to break up AMW wasn't something horrible.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 15, 2008 2:38:33 GMT -5
Man I just wtached Impact and I don't think that was right. I didn't count the minutes as I was too interested in watching and enjoying the show, but I don't think it mattered. Oh and not like it will matter either but I am gonna shoot on Lance, you took a shot at TNA well here's your recipt Lance Storm may be said to have been past his prime but he never had one. He has settled into Bruno Samartino disease all too easily and frankly it's embarassing. You wre a talented wrestler who never broke out as you could or should have and maybe it has to do with the lack of charisma witch would undoubtabily have lead to TNA not hiring you if that is they knew who you were to begin with. Enjoy the winter in Calgary sincerley yours one of a few million TNA fans who don't care for your crap. Ok, I don't understand the logic of this argument. You criticized TNA, but you know what. You weren't that good of a wrestler anyway, and you're just bitter. What is he bitter about? Someone please explain that to me, because I hear it sometimes when Storm gives the commentaries. He's giving very valid points. Lance Storm was a booker before. Storm has been in the business for a long time, he runs his own wrestling school, he knows what he's talking about. He likely got the numbers from elsewhere, as they were all over the internet. His opinion is very valid, and a lot of it has to do with a few things. People ask him it, people value it, and he does feel that TNA generally has better wrestlers then WWE, but thinks they're all being horribly misused. This guy has no idea what Bitter is, bitter wrestlers belittle wrestlers more successful than they were. They critique the show they aren't on because they want to be on the show.
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Post by jfpierce on Dec 15, 2008 2:42:37 GMT -5
I'm more disappointed that Storm had to go and insult Curry Man's intelligence. Storm's right for the most part, but I can't really enjoy his commentary since he writes like he has a pine cone in his butt.
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Post by Head Detective Aaron Enigma on Dec 15, 2008 3:49:29 GMT -5
If that's destroyed, this forum is the goddamn Death Star of wrestling. You know what was in those moments without wrestling? there wasn't anything comedy except Curry Man leaving and Palin, and it was about 5 minutes total. You made Rough Cuts, hype and vids, and brawling and in ring promos. Counting match times. Ain't this the crap Green Lantern fan gets most of his hate for? Regardless of who gets hate and what for, the fact remains they had a 2 hour show with less than 20 minutes of wrestling. The name of the show is Total NON-STOP Action Impact...how can you call it that when not even 1/6 of it contained wrestling? I mean....they used to say "We are wrestling". Now they say "Cross the line". Apparently that means cross the line to no wrestling and have people talk for two hours about wrestling but never actually do.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 15, 2008 8:12:14 GMT -5
This guy has a great attention for detail...
So much so that he nitpicks to no end.
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Post by erisi236 on Dec 15, 2008 12:42:21 GMT -5
Hmmm, I just watched Impact just now, and I guess based on "bell to bell' you get 18 minutes, but based on "Wrestling action" you get more like 30 minutes, the Kurt v Ray match went 6 minutes itself after the bell. I could have added even a couple more minutes even if you count stuff like AJ getting beaten or end of match taunting from the stage which really is part of any "match" in my view.
The show is also a Hell of a lot better without commercials BTW, 31 freaking minutes, jeeze Spike give us a break.
Now, I personally would have cut the Love and Creed parts and bulked up the Shelly v Lethal match and maybe swap around the feast or fired segment to keep the show flowing better, but it still was hardly as bad a show as some people have lead me to believe.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 15, 2008 12:43:59 GMT -5
I've always thought Lance's criticisms were more than fair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 12:49:03 GMT -5
I'm a fan of TNA, but what he says is right. Its pretty ridiculous how little wrestling there was this week on Impact, and I find it disgusting how little time the X-Division matches are going. Don't get me wrong, the PPV matches are great, but on Impact they really need to sort it out.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 15, 2008 12:52:52 GMT -5
Lance is probably still upset that he's paying 20 bucks a month on paper towels, when he could be saying WOW!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 15, 2008 12:55:07 GMT -5
I have yet to figure out who sejourner bolt is??
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Dec 15, 2008 13:35:38 GMT -5
The problem with TNA is that they have so many good wrestlers and consistently put on good to great PPV's that the TV show does no justice.
I think Storm, and many wrestling fans see the potential for great TV wrestling, but instead we get Abyss thinking cartoons are real and the week before getting drunk with his enemies, Daffney playing Sarah Palin and other stupid things like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2008 14:03:25 GMT -5
Heres' the thing that gets me with Lance. TNA is something that will not change into the thing that Lance and his ilk will want. TNA is not the serious wrestling with mat classics and serious stuff. But Lance likes things other than mat classics. He's the same guy who wanted to do a steroid angle with Dreamer that involved him failing a urine test. He's the guy who said the most fun he had in ECW was teaming with and then wrestling Chris Candido on the same card and would rib him by telling the ref to announce Chris as "Residing from his mother-in-law's basement". He had a SPINAROONIE CONTEST with Christian the last time he wrestled him ;D ;D. So, he has a lot of humor and doesn't necessarily think all wrestling should be incredibly serious all the time. Also, among his favorite workers that he mentions wrestling with are people like Tommy Dreamer, Team 3-D, Ultimo Dragon, Rob Van Dam, Terry Funk, Hulk Hogan (he loved working with Hogan, said he's the lightest wrestler ever), Dr. Death, etc. guys who are known for high spots and hardcore wrestling just as much as mat wrestling; he brought Jado and Gedo to ECW, thinking that their, mostly American based wrestling style, was awesome. He felt that Bam Bam Bigelow was, barn none, the best big man he ever wrestled and probably the best big man in wrestling. Storm loves what Santino does. He raves about guys like the Motor City Machine Guns, Jay Lethal, Rey Mysterio, Evan Bourne, Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles, Bryan Danielson, Davey Richards, and many others that fit under a more high spots oriented style than pure mat wrestling. He even said that the modified his typical style a bit for his match with Danielson, doing more high spots than he was accustomed to. Plus, he loves to post pics of his students hitting huge dives and other high flying moves on his website. I think he's far from the "Only Mat Wrestling, please!", technical wrestler junkie that people paint him as.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 15, 2008 15:32:01 GMT -5
Heres' the thing that gets me with Lance. TNA is something that will not change into the thing that Lance and his ilk will want. TNA is not the serious wrestling with mat classics and serious stuff. But Lance likes things other than mat classics. He's the same guy who wanted to do a steroid angle with Dreamer that involved him failing a urine test. He's the guy who said the most fun he had in ECW was teaming with and then wrestling Chris Candido on the same card and would rib him by telling the ref to announce Chris as "Residing from his mother-in-law's basement". He had a SPINAROONIE CONTEST with Christian the last time he wrestled him ;D ;D. So, he has a lot of humor and doesn't necessarily think all wrestling should be incredibly serious all the time. Also, among his favorite workers that he mentions wrestling with are people like Tommy Dreamer, Team 3-D, Ultimo Dragon, Rob Van Dam, Terry Funk, Hulk Hogan (he loved working with Hogan, said he's the lightest wrestler ever), Dr. Death, etc. guys who are known for high spots and hardcore wrestling just as much as mat wrestling; he brought Jado and Gedo to ECW, thinking that their, mostly American based wrestling style, was awesome. He felt that Bam Bam Bigelow was, barn none, the best big man he ever wrestled and probably the best big man in wrestling. Storm loves what Santino does. He raves about guys like the Motor City Machine Guns, Jay Lethal, Rey Mysterio, Evan Bourne, Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles, Bryan Danielson, Davey Richards, and many others that fit under a more high spots oriented style than pure mat wrestling. He even said that the modified his typical style a bit for his match with Danielson, doing more high spots than he was accustomed to. Plus, he loves to post pics of his students hitting huge dives and other high flying moves on his website. I think he's far from the "Only Mat Wrestling, please!", technical wrestler junkie that people paint him as. But why let common sense get in the way of just ignoring what he has to say? He's probably just paid be Vince to badmouth TNA anyway, right? Right...? This thread's title is amusing. Storm's criticisms of TNA, WWE, and even ROH have always been fair. And made perfect sense.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 15, 2008 16:02:59 GMT -5
But Lance likes things other than mat classics. He's the same guy who wanted to do a steroid angle with Dreamer that involved him failing a urine test. He's the guy who said the most fun he had in ECW was teaming with and then wrestling Chris Candido on the same card and would rib him by telling the ref to announce Chris as "Residing from his mother-in-law's basement". He had a SPINAROONIE CONTEST with Christian the last time he wrestled him ;D ;D. So, he has a lot of humor and doesn't necessarily think all wrestling should be incredibly serious all the time. Also, among his favorite workers that he mentions wrestling with are people like Tommy Dreamer, Team 3-D, Ultimo Dragon, Rob Van Dam, Terry Funk, Hulk Hogan (he loved working with Hogan, said he's the lightest wrestler ever), Dr. Death, etc. guys who are known for high spots and hardcore wrestling just as much as mat wrestling; he brought Jado and Gedo to ECW, thinking that their, mostly American based wrestling style, was awesome. He felt that Bam Bam Bigelow was, barn none, the best big man he ever wrestled and probably the best big man in wrestling. Storm loves what Santino does. He raves about guys like the Motor City Machine Guns, Jay Lethal, Rey Mysterio, Evan Bourne, Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles, Bryan Danielson, Davey Richards, and many others that fit under a more high spots oriented style than pure mat wrestling. He even said that the modified his typical style a bit for his match with Danielson, doing more high spots than he was accustomed to. Plus, he loves to post pics of his students hitting huge dives and other high flying moves on his website. I think he's far from the "Only Mat Wrestling, please!", technical wrestler junkie that people paint him as. But why let common sense get in the way of just ignoring what he has to say? He's probably just paid be Vince to badmouth TNA anyway, right? Right...? This thread's title is amusing. Storm's criticisms of TNA, WWE, and even ROH have always been fair. And made perfect sense. Bulls***. I'm still not letting Lance go over some of the stupid comments he has made about it, mostly about embellishing times and moments, complaining about missing things when they were explained, and that Shark Boy thing where he wanted to slit his wrists. That, and how he seems to think that anyone that enjoys the shows are idiots.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 15, 2008 16:05:00 GMT -5
But why let common sense get in the way of just ignoring what he has to say? He's probably just paid be Vince to badmouth TNA anyway, right? Right...? This thread's title is amusing. Storm's criticisms of TNA, WWE, and even ROH have always been fair. And made perfect sense. Bulls***. I'm still not letting Lance go over some of the stupid comments he has made about it, mostly about embellishing times and moments, complaining about missing things when they were explained, and that Shark Boy thing where he wanted to slit his wrists. That, and how he seems to think that anyone that enjoys the shows are idiots. Yea. How's that not fair?
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 15, 2008 16:08:08 GMT -5
Bulls***. I'm still not letting Lance go over some of the stupid comments he has made about it, mostly about embellishing times and moments, complaining about missing things when they were explained, and that Shark Boy thing where he wanted to slit his wrists. That, and how he seems to think that anyone that enjoys the shows are idiots. Yea. How's that not fair? Hey, Disco said a lot of good points, too, but he talked a lot of crap and is made fun of for it. I have the same thing with Lance. Yeah, he's a dude who knows his business, but he talks a lot of crap also.
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