Lance Storm FAIRLY CRITICIZES TNA

[hollywood]

Dec 15, 2008 16:08:08 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

Dec 15, 2008 16:05:00 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Yea. How's that not fair?

Hey, Disco said a lot of good points, too, but he talked a lot of crap and is made fun of for it. I have the same thing with Lance. Yeah, he's a dude who knows his business, but he talks a lot of crap also.

That last post was mostly just for kicks and giggles.

And sorry, but I don't give Disco near the credibility you give him. And I'd made that decision well before he was helping with TNA's creative direction. The man's an absolute fool.

[ICBM]

What gets me fired up everytime I see Lance Storm post another sensless rant against TNA is that all too quikly people all over this forum jump on his bandwagon all over again to bash TNA. I fight against that because I like almost 2 million other people, enjoy watching TNA so much and feel obligated to defend. I have said repeatedly and will untill I am thru "shut up and enjoy the show" if you don't like it don't watch and don't bitch about it.

[Aaron E. Dangerously]

Dec 15, 2008 17:07:33 GMT -5 ICBM said:

What gets me fired up everytime I see Lance Storm post another sensless rant against TNA is that all too quikly people all over this forum jump on his bandwagon all over again to bash TNA. I fight against that because I like almost 2 million other people, enjoy watching TNA so much and feel obligated to defend. I have said repeatedly and will untill I am thru "shut up and enjoy the show" if you don't like it don't watch and don't bitch about it.

I'm sorry, but I think it's a man's right to talk about something he knows. Personally, I WANT to hear Lance Storm's opinion on things, as his opinion is one that I respect. And by your logic, I say to you that if you don't normally agree with Lance Storm's opinions, then you don't have to read his blog and you can simply ignore it.

Also, I'm not jumping on anyone's bandwagon. I agree with Lance that 18 minutes of wrestling in a 2 hour show is inexcusable, and I too do not give a f*** about a Hemme-Bolt match, especially when Lethal is facing off against Shelley.

If you disagree with him, fine, but maybe provide a counter-point instead of just calling Storm a bitter crybaby.

[erisi236]

Never thought I'd see the day where people were complaining that guys like Sabin and Shelly are getting too much promo time.

Seriously, I've heard more from these two in the past 2 Impacts then I have in the 20 that proceeded it put together.

[Cyno]

Dec 15, 2008 17:07:33 GMT -5 ICBM said:

What gets me fired up everytime I see Lance Storm post another sensless rant against TNA is that all too quikly people all over this forum jump on his bandwagon all over again to bash TNA. I fight against that because I like almost 2 million other people, enjoy watching TNA so much and feel obligated to defend. I have said repeatedly and will untill I am thru "shut up and enjoy the show" if you don't like it don't watch and don't bitch about it.

PROTIP: You can be a fan of something and still criticize it, and do so quite harshly. Most of us can and will fit into that category. If any of us truly hated TNA, would we still watch it? I know I wouldn't. There are better things I could do on a Thursday night than bash a 2-hour program I couldn't stand. I hated the direction WWE was taking in 2002, so I did stop watching and it took a few years before I got back into it.

Mindlessly showering a program with praise does not make someone a better fan than someone who criticizes or nitpicks. In fact, I'd argue it makes someone a worse fan, as it treads into "fanboy" territory. And no one really likes fanboys.

[primetime110]

Lance, Just like the rest of us has every right to voice his opinion. Weather its to praise or rip TNA. But we also have the right to do the same to Lance about his comments. Shelly-Lethal match was really short.

But at the sametime the backstage-Promos - rough cuts also futhered storylines (Which Sinster mentioned I believe). So it had a purpose to it.

For example, When JB asked Sting about "winning cheap" at the ppv and Nash interupping before Sting could speak may seem small for now, But may play a large part down the road.

I'm really enjoying TNA right now. Shelly's quote about using a cheat code to defeat suicide was up there with Lethal saying "I hear a piano but I don't see one" during the Rock-N-Rave wedding tryout.

[Deleted]

Simply put, if you have to tell someone to shut up and enjoy the product then you are afraid of criticism and would rather skate by doing what you're doing instead of putting in the hard work necessary to grow and do better. Every single thing worth doing in this world can be made better through practice, reevaluation, and making changes. If something can't change and improve, then its already dead.

[slasher911]

Dec 15, 2008 17:07:33 GMT -5 ICBM said:

What gets me fired up everytime I see Lance Storm post another sensless rant against TNA is that all too quikly people all over this forum jump on his bandwagon all over again to bash TNA. I fight against that because I like almost 2 million other people, enjoy watching TNA so much and feel obligated to defend. I have said repeatedly and will untill I am thru "shut up and enjoy the show" if you don't like it don't watch and don't bitch about it.

Isn't that the exact definition of "drinking the Kool-Aid"?

And you can't be serious. Like 3/4 of this thread is "what does Lance Storm know??!" (despite him seemingly being one of the most respected guys in the business). And I don't get how he's being "senseless" - he goes into great detail and makes perfect sense to me. Maybe I'm just not close-minded to criticism?


EDIT: Oh, and one more thing. The whole "they're furthering the wrestling angles by having almost no wrestling" thing baffles me. Am I the only one who realizes you can further an angle DURING A MATCH? Or is that a lost art now?

[donners]

Then people whine that you aren't having clean matches, or are taking away from their quality with shenanigans. Hard to win either way there.


I think there are some valid points in his rant, and some less valid (eg. Bashir wearing the towel), but having a whole column of nothing but complaints invites a negative reaction.

[Deleted]

Lance's noted the positives before. However, if he doesn't find something that he particularly cares for in a show, is he supposed to make up something? I'm all for looking at things positively, but not to the point of denial.

[Red Impact]

Dec 15, 2008 17:07:33 GMT -5 ICBM said:

What gets me fired up everytime I see Lance Storm post another sensless rant against TNA is that all too quikly people all over this forum jump on his bandwagon all over again to bash TNA. I fight against that because I like almost 2 million other people, enjoy watching TNA so much and feel obligated to defend. I have said repeatedly and will untill I am thru "shut up and enjoy the show" if you don't like it don't watch and don't bitch about it.

You claiming that TNA doesn't know who he is and he's just a bitter old man is far more senseless then him pointing out that there were 20 minutes or so of wrestling on a two hour show. There's no obligation to scream that everything is good any time someone dares to say they didn't like anything. Not everyone who watches the show likes everything on the show.

Blind fanaticism isn't any better than blind hatred, really. And for the latter part, if you don't like his comments, don't read them, or accept that people have as much of a right to criticize something as you have to criticize them for saying it. It goes both ways.

Dec 15, 2008 20:57:36 GMT -5 donners said:

Then people whine that you aren't having clean matches, or are taking away from their quality with shenanigans. Hard to win either way there.

So it's impossible to further an angle in a match without shenanigans? I really don't see them as being mutually exclusive.

Yes, he does say some rather some things that have me scratching my head. I think he's based a lot of matches for being overly complex that weren't that complex, that their version of the battle royal, which is the same match as before, but with a pin fall finish at the end. That doesn't mean nothing he says is valid any more than any good points means everything he says is valid.

[donners]

Dec 15, 2008 21:08:09 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

Lance's noted the positives before. However, if he doesn't find something that he particularly cares for in a show, is he supposed to make up something? I'm all for looking at things positively, but not to the point of denial.

I think it would be denial of reality to suggest there were no positives to come out of the show. Most reviews have actually been reasonably positive, and even on a cynical view there were some things which were done right.

[donners]

Dec 15, 2008 21:23:35 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

So it's impossible to further an angle in a match without shenanigans? I really don't see them as being mutually exclusive.

Not impossible, and I think the Ray/Angle match was an example of how it can be done. I think the consequences of that ending will be significant.

However, it can't always be done to the same effectiveness as an angle, particularly if it's a group v group storyline. Working that into a match would tend to involve interference, and TNA is often criticised for having far too much interference.

[Red Impact]

Dec 15, 2008 22:11:29 GMT -5 donners said:

Dec 15, 2008 21:23:35 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

So it's impossible to further an angle in a match without shenanigans? I really don't see them as being mutually exclusive.

Not impossible, and I think the Ray/Angle match was an example of how it can be done. I think the consequences of that ending will be significant.

However, it can't always be done to the same effectiveness as an angle, particularly if it's a group v group storyline. Working that into a match would tend to involve interference, and TNA is often criticised for having far too much interference.

I think there's a place even for shenanigans, I just don't buy that it's either do everything in shenanigans or don't have matches at all.

It's not a damned if you do damned if you don't decision, they can mix it up throw a few shenanigans, throw a few clean matches, throw some promos or skits, etc. Having run ins and brawls aren't bad in themselves, it just seems like TNA can't find a decent balance most of the time. They have plenty of plusses, but that aspect of the booking is just off a lot of the time.

[ThatIndyMark]

My Biggest Beef With TNA is actually with the knockouts division. If TNA continues to push women like Christy Hemme over more talented women than it will become much like the WWE Women's division which is a complete joke. One thing, TNA has a woman who is considered one of the best, if not the best female wrestlers in North America on their roster and they use Cheerleader Melissa, er I mean Raisha Saaeed as a damn mouthpeice for Awesome Kong? That is one of the biggest misuses of talent that I have ever seen in my life.

[Red Impact]

Dec 15, 2008 23:07:26 GMT -5 ThatIndyMark said:

My Biggest Beef With TNA is actually with the knockouts division. If TNA continues to push women like Christy Hemme over more talented women than it will become much like the WWE Women's division which is a complete joke. One thing, TNA has a woman who is considered one of the best, if not the best female wrestlers in North America on their roster and they use Cheerleader Melissa, er I mean Raisha Saaeed as a damn mouthpeice for Awesome Kong? That is one of the biggest misuses of talent that I have ever seen in my life.

I don't know, I think Beth Phoenix facing most anyone on WWE's women's roster would be as big of a misuse. The difference between them is pretty astounding to me.

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2008 22:08:40 GMT -5 donners said:

Dec 15, 2008 21:08:09 GMT -5 @irontyger said:

Lance's noted the positives before. However, if he doesn't find something that he particularly cares for in a show, is he supposed to make up something? I'm all for looking at things positively, but not to the point of denial.

I think it would be denial of reality to suggest there were no positives to come out of the show. Most reviews have actually been reasonably positive, and even on a cynical view there were some things which were done right.

If he doesn't like anything about the show, he doesn't like anything about the show. How is it a "denial of reality" (pretty strong words) if he doesn't like it? It's his opinion; it's not like he's saying that fish don't live in the water or that the sun's purple. It's not a fact that "positives"came from the show, its all opinion. Just like its your opinion that a lot of good came from the show. Jeez, I hope I get to keep my opinions in the future, though sometimes I wonder.

[efram]

i'm getting quite annoyed at lance storm constantly putting TNA down, lance was a good wrestler but was boring as hell and had no charisma or personality so he can't critisize other wrestlers too much. also TNA have been improving IMO they have better storylines right now so they need to make room for backstage segments etc. and one last thing why doesn't lance storm ever critisize wwe? just like lance the WWE IMO has been very stale and boring and only a few of their wrestlers and storylines entertain me, i find it very difficult to sit through a full RAW show these days

[donners]

Actually, it's funny if you read his last TNA rant. www.stormwrestling.com/110708.html

It looks like 90% criticism, but it's bookended with comments that it's actually on the right track. I don't think Lance likes giving out much in the way of praise.

He even refers to his "usually venomous rant".

[Red Impact]

Dec 16, 2008 0:30:32 GMT -5 efram said:

i'm getting quite annoyed at lance storm constantly putting TNA down, lance was a good wrestler but was boring as hell and had no charisma or personality so he can't critisize other wrestlers too much. also TNA have been improving IMO they have better storylines right now so they need to make room for backstage segments etc. and one last thing why doesn't lance storm ever critisize wwe? just like lance the WWE IMO has been very stale and boring and only a few of their wrestlers and storylines entertain me, i find it very difficult to sit through a full RAW show these days

Don't know about usual, but the rants I read from him, he doesn't criticize the wrestlers, he criticizes the booking. He's never had anything but the utmost respect for the performers from what I've read.

And his mic skills don't really affect his mind for the business at all. But, then again, that doesn't matter if all you're interested in is mindless praise.

Yeah, he does harp on TNA, but it's not right to say he's never criticized WWE before. He put up a pretty big one when WWE did the Championship Scramble matches and, well, Adamle's tenure in general.