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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2008 1:03:19 GMT -5
You mean the mic skills where people booed the crap at him for being "boring and foreign"? He was the heel.... isn't that what the heel is supposed to do? Get booed? I mean, really, was he supposed to be the exciting, verbose, high energy heel that.... gets booed? If he's boring, guess what? It makes the face wrestling talking back to him that much more exciting. I know, that's mind-boggling, no?
I think it's funny that Storm only attacks the booking and not the wrestlers themselves and yet, for the most part, his detractors personally attack him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 16, 2008 1:36:42 GMT -5
You mean the mic skills where people booed the crap at him for being "boring and foreign"? He was the heel.... isn't that what the heel is supposed to do? Get booed? I mean, really, was he supposed to be the exciting, verbose, high energy heel that.... gets booed? If he's boring, guess what? It makes the face wrestling talking back to him that much more exciting. I know, that's mind-boggling, no? I think it's funny that Storm only attacks the booking and not the wrestlers themselves and yet, for the most part, his detractors personally attack him. Good point. He's said MANY times, he wants to enjoy TNA, and he wants them to be in business, say, five years from now. He likes guys having more job opportunities. It's not like he doesn't knock WWE when they screw up, but at the same time, they don't have as much riding on maintaining a fanbase.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 16, 2008 11:07:23 GMT -5
i'm getting quite annoyed at lance storm constantly putting TNA down, lance was a good wrestler but was boring as hell and had no charisma or personality so he can't critisize other wrestlers too much. also TNA have been improving IMO they have better storylines right now so they need to make room for backstage segments etc. and one last thing why doesn't lance storm ever critisize wwe? just like lance the WWE IMO has been very stale and boring and only a few of their wrestlers and storylines entertain me, i find it very difficult to sit through a full RAW show these days This is why I love it whenever Storm's comments on TNA are posted... TNA fans all seem to just huddle together and scream that all he does is bash TNA, no one else, and he never offers any opinions on how they might improve. As just about everyone's said, neither is true. Lance regularly criticizes WWE, and, believe it or not, he's even mentioned a few things he disagreed with in ROH. And, he has offered opinions on how to improve. Some time back, he even wrote an article about how he'd book an entire show of Impact. And, it was actually a solid approach. And for those who think he just expects straight matches and no angles, his program offered maybe 50 percent matches and 50 percent angles. It's like anything suggesting TNA isn't pure gold--or at least pure silver--is tantamount to heresy among the TNA faithful. Fact is, though, they're barely even bronze.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 16, 2008 18:06:49 GMT -5
i'm getting quite annoyed at lance storm constantly putting TNA down, lance was a good wrestler but was boring as hell and had no charisma or personality so he can't critisize other wrestlers too much. also TNA have been improving IMO they have better storylines right now so they need to make room for backstage segments etc. and one last thing why doesn't lance storm ever critisize wwe? just like lance the WWE IMO has been very stale and boring and only a few of their wrestlers and storylines entertain me, i find it very difficult to sit through a full RAW show these days This is why I love it whenever Storm's comments on TNA are posted... TNA fans all seem to just huddle together and scream that all he does is bash TNA, no one else, and he never offers any opinions on how they might improve. As just about everyone's said, neither is true. Lance regularly criticizes WWE, and, believe it or not, he's even mentioned a few things he disagreed with in ROH. And, he has offered opinions on how to improve. Some time back, he even wrote an article about how he'd book an entire show of Impact. And, it was actually a solid approach. And for those who think he just expects straight matches and no angles, his program offered maybe 50 percent matches and 50 percent angles. It's like anything suggesting TNA isn't pure gold--or at least pure silver--is tantamount to heresy among the TNA faithful. Fact is, though, they're barely even bronze. I was listening to Lance's most recent appearance on Figure Four Weekly and there was this TNA fan who called in to talk about how hearing about how bad the show was was 'getting old' and that Lance needed to 'be more positive', and you should've heard the condescending tone of this douchebag. Now, whenever I hear a lot of these TNA fans whining about this and that, trying to defend the show without actually offering any kind of argument in favour of it, I hear that guy's whiny, nasal, patronizing, self-important, pseudo-intellectual tone of voice. You know, it's ricockulous that anytime someone like Lance Storm voices valid opinions about what's wrong with the show that so many TNA marks crawl out of the woodwork and jump on his back and accuse him of some kind of blasphemy, like it's his fault the product sucks. And like Lance says himself, when the show has been good, he's put it over, but the times when it is actually good are few and far between, and for these fans to just bury their heads in the sand and say it's good when it's not is just idiotic. To me, personally, it just seems like a lot of these people have spent so much time trying to justify TNA's shitty product to themselves that they've bought into their own bullshit, which imo is just being gullible and delusional. You know, 'don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message'. It's not our fault the show sucks, it's the fault of the people running it. If those people actually got the message and started producing a better product, you wouldn't have to hear people like Lance Storm criticizing it.
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Post by efram on Dec 16, 2008 23:58:52 GMT -5
This is why I love it whenever Storm's comments on TNA are posted... TNA fans all seem to just huddle together and scream that all he does is bash TNA, no one else, and he never offers any opinions on how they might improve. As just about everyone's said, neither is true. Lance regularly criticizes WWE, and, believe it or not, he's even mentioned a few things he disagreed with in ROH. And, he has offered opinions on how to improve. Some time back, he even wrote an article about how he'd book an entire show of Impact. And, it was actually a solid approach. And for those who think he just expects straight matches and no angles, his program offered maybe 50 percent matches and 50 percent angles. It's like anything suggesting TNA isn't pure gold--or at least pure silver--is tantamount to heresy among the TNA faithful. Fact is, though, they're barely even bronze. I was listening to Lance's most recent appearance on Figure Four Weekly and there was this TNA fan who called in to talk about how hearing about how bad the show was was 'getting old' and that Lance needed to 'be more positive', and you should've heard the condescending tone of this douchebag. Now, whenever I hear a lot of these TNA fans whining about this and that, trying to defend the show without actually offering any kind of argument in favour of it, I hear that guy's whiny, nasal, patronizing, self-important, pseudo-intellectual tone of voice. . i hope i don't come across like that guy you mention, i guess i just can't understand why he critisizes TNA so much yet WWE have been doing a lot of crap lately, wwe seem to focus all of their energy on their main eventers whilst the rest of their superstars just seem to have no real character or interesting storyline. Also from the rest of your message i wonder why you watch TNA at all because you don't come across like your entertained by anything they have to offer? i personally love TNA and although i know they need improvement in a lot of places they still do a lot to entertain me
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 17, 2008 0:02:17 GMT -5
Lance regularly criticizes WWE, and, believe it or not, he's even mentioned a few things he disagreed with in ROH. I wouldn't exactly call it regular. If you ask him, he'll admit that he's much harsher on TNA than any other company, but his excuse is that it's tough love because he "wants them to succeed". With that said, as always, he does have several valid points, but those seem to get lost in the shuffle because: 1. He nitpicks every tiny little thing. (Did anybody really think "Curry Man is dumb, this really hurts the company"? Here's a hint, Lance: He doesn't speak English very well. That's pretty much the entire basis of his character.) 2. For a man who was involved in a lot of comedic angles in his career, he sure seems to hate comedy segments.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 17, 2008 2:28:48 GMT -5
Lance regularly criticizes WWE, and, believe it or not, he's even mentioned a few things he disagreed with in ROH. I wouldn't exactly call it regular. If you ask him, he'll admit that he's much harsher on TNA than any other company, but his excuse is that it's tough love because he "wants them to succeed". With that said, as always, he does have several valid points, but those seem to get lost in the shuffle because: 1. He nitpicks every tiny little thing. (Did anybody really think "Curry Man is dumb, this really hurts the company"? Here's a hint, Lance: He doesn't speak English very well. That's pretty much the entire basis of his character.) 2. For a man who was involved in a lot of comedic angles in his career, he sure seems to hate comedy segments. He DOES enjoy Santino, so it's not so much he hates comedy, he just thinks it should be a means to an end, not an end in and of itself.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 17, 2008 2:36:45 GMT -5
I was listening to Lance's most recent appearance on Figure Four Weekly and there was this TNA fan who called in to talk about how hearing about how bad the show was was 'getting old' and that Lance needed to 'be more positive', and you should've heard the condescending tone of this douchebag. Now, whenever I hear a lot of these TNA fans whining about this and that, trying to defend the show without actually offering any kind of argument in favour of it, I hear that guy's whiny, nasal, patronizing, self-important, pseudo-intellectual tone of voice. . i hope i don't come across like that guy you mention, i guess i just can't understand why he critisizes TNA so much yet WWE have been doing a lot of crap lately, wwe seem to focus all of their energy on their main eventers whilst the rest of their superstars just seem to have no real character or interesting storyline. Also from the rest of your message i wonder why you watch TNA at all because you don't come across like your entertained by anything they have to offer? i personally love TNA and although i know they need improvement in a lot of places they still do a lot to entertain me Well for one thing, TNA has a lot more quantity of bad stuff and WWE has great quantity of good stuff, and it's not like they get a free pass for the bullshit they pull either. Secondly, I don't watch the show. Believe me, I've tried. The gym I go to has a cardio room with TVs and I usually schedule my cardio around the times when wrestling programs air, and from time to time I have tried to watch the program, but I can't. Now, I'm sure some jackoff is going to launch into a rant about how 'if you don't watch the show, you don't have a right to criticize it', but that's f***ing bullshit. I'm a wrestling fan, and I do follow what happens on this program week after week, and every week it makes me astonished, angry and just plain embarrassed as a wrestling fan that these people are so utterly incapable of pulling their heads out of their asses and producing a decent wrestling show. And it makes me sad and angry that the caliber of talent they have on tap is so horribly wasted. It's an outrage to me as a wrestling fan that not only are these people in charge of TNA creative, production, etc. allowed to continue to keep this show from living up to its potential, but that there are so many so-called 'TNA fans' who are perfectly content with this horrible product and who go to such a degree as to bury their heads in the sand and deny that there's even a problem to begin with. Hell, the only reason people like Lance Storm criticise it so harshly is because they want it to be good, or else they want others to know that this is not the way to run a successful wrestling product, otherwise they wouldn't care one way or another. That's my 2 cents anyway.
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Post by slasher911 on Dec 17, 2008 2:48:44 GMT -5
I was listening to Lance's most recent appearance on Figure Four Weekly and there was this TNA fan who called in to talk about how hearing about how bad the show was was 'getting old' and that Lance needed to 'be more positive', and you should've heard the condescending tone of this douchebag. Now, whenever I hear a lot of these TNA fans whining about this and that, trying to defend the show without actually offering any kind of argument in favour of it, I hear that guy's whiny, nasal, patronizing, self-important, pseudo-intellectual tone of voice. . i hope i don't come across like that guy you mention, i guess i just can't understand why he critisizes TNA so much yet WWE have been doing a lot of crap lately, wwe seem to focus all of their energy on their main eventers whilst the rest of their superstars just seem to have no real character or interesting storyline. What does the WWE have to do with TNA? You don't like Storm's comments because he doesn't pick on the WWE enough? I don't get it. He can't criticize one company because you think another entirely different company is worse? Disaster Movie sucked balls, but that doesn't make Epic Movie any better.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 17, 2008 2:55:56 GMT -5
Now, I'm sure some jackoff is going to launch into a rant about how 'if you don't watch the show, you don't have a right to criticize it', but that's snorking bullexcretory matter. I'm a wrestling fan, and I do follow what happens on this program week after week, and every week it makes me astonished, angry and just plain embarrassed as a wrestling fan that these people are so utterly incapable of pulling their heads out of their asses and producing a decent wrestling show. And it makes me sad and angry that the caliber of talent they have on tap is so horribly wasted. It's an outrage to me as a wrestling fan that not only are these people in charge of TNA creative, production, etc. allowed to continue to keep this show from living up to its potential, but that there are so many so-called 'TNA fans' who are perfectly content with this horrible product and who go to such a degree as to bury their heads in the sand and deny that there's even a problem to begin with. Guess I'm the jackoff. I know that people are deserving of their opinion, but if you aren't watching something, it doesn't exactly give you to right to examine it and critique it like people who do. Complain about a TV show you don't watch is like giving a review of a movie without even seeing it. Why the hell should I give a damn what you say, or even listen to it, if all your going by is second hand info or stuff that you heard from other places? Do you honest think you can have an accurate view of something without even knowing what the hell is going on? And you know what? I'm tired of the perception that it's wrong to like the show. Why am I wrong for being able to look past all the problems to actually watch and enjoy the broadcast? Why is that such a horrible thing, that I can watch this and am not only thinking about "This makes no sense, this is stupid, this is too short, this is too long"? Why, cause of a few people who piss you off? Why am I affected cause of someone else's opinion? Can't I goddamn watch without someone calling me an idiot for laughing at Kip James, or getting my intelligence questions cause I don't need meaning in a Scott Steiner promo? I don't see why you having your opinion of the show and it being negative give you the right and the ability to criticize me cause I don't.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 17, 2008 3:22:34 GMT -5
i will say this though, thank god for Creative Control.
Seriously though could you imagine what would happen if the MEM/Frontline storyline was completely written by Russo.
Guys like 3-D, Angle, Booker, and Nash have been booked awesomely in this feud.
Could you imagine if somebody like for no real reason, Angle goes "Petey Williams couldn't sell out a flea market"
then they feud with Petey Williams being The Frontline's main guy?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 17, 2008 3:27:48 GMT -5
i will say this though, thank god for Creative Control. Seriously though could you imagine what would happen if the MEM/Frontline storyline was completely written by Russo. Guys like 3-D, Angle, Booker, and Nash have been booked awesomely in this feud. Could you imagine if somebody like for no real reason, Angle goes "Petey Williams couldn't sell out a flea market" then they feud with Petey Williams being The Frontline's main guy? I'll say this, it's gone a lot better than the Millionaire Club did, so it's exceeded my original expectations. I sort of like the idea of the Frontline treating TNA like it's home, while the MEM are like Galactus, gorging themselves with no regard for the company itself, just their own skins. In regards to debate, I watch the show each time, and I do agree with most of Storm's take on the show. At the same time, I don't blame people for liking the show, I can enjoy myself some each episode, or I wouldn't bother watching. That being said, I think constructive criticism is always a good thing. I'd MUCH rather have that than smoke blown up my ass, telling me I rock when I could be better spending my time working out my issues, and TNA, like it or hate it, has issues that do need addressing.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 17, 2008 3:42:27 GMT -5
Now, I'm sure some jackoff is going to launch into a rant about how 'if you don't watch the show, you don't have a right to criticize it', but that's snorking bullexcretory matter. I'm a wrestling fan, and I do follow what happens on this program week after week, and every week it makes me astonished, angry and just plain embarrassed as a wrestling fan that these people are so utterly incapable of pulling their heads out of their asses and producing a decent wrestling show. And it makes me sad and angry that the caliber of talent they have on tap is so horribly wasted. It's an outrage to me as a wrestling fan that not only are these people in charge of TNA creative, production, etc. allowed to continue to keep this show from living up to its potential, but that there are so many so-called 'TNA fans' who are perfectly content with this horrible product and who go to such a degree as to bury their heads in the sand and deny that there's even a problem to begin with. Guess I'm the jackoff. I know that people are deserving of their opinion, but if you aren't watching something, it doesn't exactly give you to right to examine it and critique it like people who do. Complain about a TV show you don't watch is like giving a review of a movie without even seeing it. Why the hell should I give a damn what you say, or even listen to it, if all your going by is second hand info or stuff that you heard from other places? Do you honest think you can have an accurate view of something without even knowing what the hell is going on? And you know what? I'm tired of the perception that it's wrong to like the show. Why am I wrong for being able to look past all the problems to actually watch and enjoy the broadcast? Why is that such a horrible thing, that I can watch this and am not only thinking about "This makes no sense, this is stupid, this is too short, this is too long"? Why, cause of a few people who piss you off? Why am I affected cause of someone else's opinion? Can't I goddamn watch without someone calling me an idiot for laughing at Kip James, or getting my intelligence questions cause I don't need meaning in a Scott Steiner promo? I don't see why you having your opinion of the show and it being negative give you the right and the ability to criticize me cause I don't. Well for one thing, by and large the criticisms of TNA have a basis, and by and large the justifications of it... Don't. When people take it personally that people criticise the show, but can't make a decent argument in favor of it, it's the equivalent of 'I know you are but what am I'. It's not a swipe against opinion, it's a swipe against attitude. Like the show or not, doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me, but if you're going to tell me that this show is great, you'd better be able to back it up, otherwise you're just kidding yourself and blowing smoke. That's my 2 cents anyway.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 17, 2008 11:17:38 GMT -5
I, for one, enjoy TNA Impact (if I didn't, I wouldn't be watching it). However, there's plenty of stuff to criticize and I think the show can be a lot better than it currently is. I'm really enjoying the Mafia/Frontline feud, though there's a lot of problems with the undercard portion of the show, IMO.
And yes. Storm doesn't criticize WWE as often as he does TNA, but when he does, it's equally as harsh. I remember earlier in the year when he really ripped into an episode of RAW that made this latest rant on Impact look like glowing praise.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 17, 2008 12:44:10 GMT -5
Lance regularly criticizes WWE, and, believe it or not, he's even mentioned a few things he disagreed with in ROH. I wouldn't exactly call it regular. If you ask him, he'll admit that he's much harsher on TNA than any other company, but his excuse is that it's tough love because he "wants them to succeed". Oh, he criticizes WWE very regularly. The only difference is he doesn't criticize them as much. And could be because ... now stay with me here, because this is a REALLY far out concept ... WWE's shows, for all their flaws and failings, are still BETTER than TNA's? For starters, he's never literally said "Curry Man is dumb, this really hurts the company." But that aside, little details are important. Booking the too many of your talent to look like fools can certainly hurt the company's appearance. WCW pretty much made everyone loyal to the company look weak compared to the nWo, and look where they are--granted that's an extreme scenario. Here's another wild concept... Maybe TNA's comedy segments just aren't funny? Hell, truth be told, I haven't seen something that was actually funny from a wrestling show since DX first impersonated Vince and Shane--and to be honest, it was really only amusing for the first 2 or 3 minutes, then it got old. Any time WWE or TNA try to be funny, I usually just cringe. Comedy's great, when it's funny. In TNA, it's just dumb. Russo isn't funny. Never has been. Never will be. Same goes for Jarrett. EDIT: Even though Storm doesn't want the job, TNA could definitely benefit from someone like him as a creative consultant of sorts. Someone willing to look at TNA's creative team and flatly say "That's retarded."
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Post by Mantaurded on Dec 17, 2008 21:25:29 GMT -5
I have noticed TNA is not living up to the fact that they have 2 hours.
Plus, Lance is good at math, how dare the WWE call him boring.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 18, 2008 0:53:46 GMT -5
I would think that even the biggest TNA hater has to admit that they've had some pretty funny segments. Nash and the X-division, the first episode where Stone Cold Sharkboy appears, etc. As far as I know, Lance has complained about every single one.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2008 1:14:31 GMT -5
I would think that even the biggest TNA hater has to admit that they've had some pretty funny segments. Nash and the X-division, the first episode where Stone Cold Sharkboy appears, etc. As far as I know, Lance has complained about every single one. Actually, he didn't. He said he found the Sharkboy one funny, but didn't think it'd do him favors in the long run, not being his own man. I don't recall either way how he felt about the X-Division guys, though I think I recall him finding Nash funny.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Dec 18, 2008 2:22:15 GMT -5
Yeah... Lance Storm is right... because there was way too much talking like in those crappy LAX and James Storm Rough Cut segments. I'm actually shocked that Lance Storm didn't jump all over the "Beer on a Pole" match. I mean, the bucket actually had "Ice Cold Beer" written on it, which is pretty much straight out of Looney Tunes.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 18, 2008 2:47:26 GMT -5
Yeah... Lance Storm is right... because there was way too much talking like in those crappy LAX and James Storm Rough Cut segments. I'm actually shocked that Lance Storm didn't jump all over the "Beer on a Pole" match. I mean, the bucket actually had "Ice Cold Beer" written on it, which is pretty much straight out of Looney Tunes. Well, he DID mention it was retarded for James to be allowed to bring his own beer to the ring. It completely defeats the point of the pole match. And I agree, they practically had a jug with XXX on it.
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