The OP
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Post by The OP on Oct 26, 2009 15:36:25 GMT -5
I guess I'm more ethnocentric when it comes to wrestling than I realized. I have to admit, my mind automatically went to North American stars, and while I have enjoyed many Puerto Rican and Japanese matches through the magic of youtube, it didn't even occur to me that maybe I should've voted from an international perspective until the countdown had already started.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2009 11:53:17 GMT -5
I see two of my guys "finally" made the list. I am honestly amazed that more people voted Bockwinkel than Cena. (No offense to Nick, but a man who hasn't wrestled actively in almost 20 years getting that many votes is a testament to his ability and longevity.)
Out of all of the guys on my list, Cena has the least experience, and look at where I rated him.
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5) Nick Bockwinkel
I think that says something about the man. And, I'm not even really a John Cena fan. But, when he hits the ring or cuts a promo, I have to watch. He just draws you in and makes you a believer in whatever he's promoting. That is a master at work. And, there are two more guys on my list I'm not a fan of (at all) that almost have the same "power". Just sucks you in and takes you on a ride.
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Oct 28, 2009 18:52:14 GMT -5
With 9 points...14. Mick Foley One of the unlikeliest WWF champs of the past 30 years, Foley was a pioneer of the hardcore style before it dominated (and some might say ruined) the wrestling indy scene of the mid-90s. Distinctly intelligent, Foley has crafted a number of enduring personas over the years. Enjoying relative success as Cactus Jack in WCW during the early 90s including great matches against Sting and Vader, cranking up the extremity and cutting some groundbreaking promos in ECW in the mid-90s, before achieving his greatest success as Mankind in the late-90s attitude era WWF. He has since gone on to work for TNA. Despite his unorthodox look and style, Foley is arguably one of the two or three greatest promo men in the history of the game and perhaps that is the secret of his success. 13. Kenta Kobashi Kenta Kobashi is one of the most outstanding wrestlers ever and always impresses wrestling fans. Kobashi is always highly spoken of by both his co-workers and fans. From 1991-93 he was generally regarded as the best worker in the world. In 1993 especially Kobashi was having match of the year candidates week in week out. Like Jumbo Tsuruta Kenta Kobashi could carry almost any match and any opponent to a watchable match. [/Youngie] NB. Due to, erm ... a clerical error, Kobashi was earlier announced as number 20 on the list when it should have been Toshiaki Kawada. This has now been rectified.
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Post by biafra on Oct 28, 2009 18:53:38 GMT -5
If I had voted after I watched Kobashi he would be even higher.
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Post by J is Justice on Oct 28, 2009 18:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Oct 28, 2009 19:23:20 GMT -5
Still all in.
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Post by Cretinous Humanoid on Oct 28, 2009 22:31:28 GMT -5
I see two of my guys "finally" made the list. I am honestly amazed that more people voted Bockwinkel than Cena. (No offense to Nick, but a man who hasn't wrestled actively in almost 20 years getting that many votes is a testament to his ability and longevity.) Out of all of the guys on my list, Cena has the least experience, and look at where I rated him. 1) 2) John Cena 3) 4) 5) Nick Bockwinkel I think that says something about the man. And, I'm not even really a John Cena fan. But, when he hits the ring or cuts a promo, I have to watch. He just draws you in and makes you a believer in whatever he's promoting. That is a master at work. And, there are two more guys on my list I'm not a fan of (at all) that almost have the same "power". Just sucks you in and takes you on a ride. Bockwinkel only had a maximum of 4 votes, he got 6 of his 8 points from you and I. |
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Oct 30, 2009 18:12:20 GMT -5
And on 10 points, weighing 260lbs ... currently residing in his seasonal residence in Palm Beach, Florida ...12. "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase DiBiase made his name in the Mid-South territory under Bill Watts. He had a brief stint with Vince Sr. in the WWF, which was significant for 2 reasons: first, he debuted as the "WWF North American Champion" and was in fact the man Pat Patterson beat to become the first IC champ and second, for this match, Hulk Hogan's first in MSG. After that DiBiase went back to Mid-South where he established himself as a main eventer due to his involvement in some high profile feuds with Jim Duggan, JYD and Ric Flair against whom he had a World Title shot. Shortly after that, after spending a year in Japan with AJPW, he got a call from Vince McMahon who had an idea for a great new gimmick ... You know the rest. DiBiase was a total package, he had everything a wrestler could want or need except for a ripped set of muscles: great on the mic, a "broomstick" worker, fabulous charisma, one of the best at working the crowd throughout the course of the match and -- with the Million Dollar Man gimmick -- some of the greatest heel heat wrestling has seen.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Oct 30, 2009 18:17:46 GMT -5
Love DiBiase's Mid South, Japan and NWA stuff, blasphemy I know, but while the gimmick was great I didn't think he had that many great matches in WWF.
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Oct 30, 2009 18:23:45 GMT -5
Love DiBiase's Mid South, Japan and NWA stuff, blasphemy I know, but while the gimmick was great I didn't think he had that many great matches in WWF. All you can say is that when he was given the chance against another great worker (Savage, Bret, Shawn Michaels) he never gave less than **** And he dragged some very watchable ***+ matches out of people like Dustin Rhodes, Jake Roberts, VIRGIL (!), and Warrior (!!) Money Inc. vs. The Steiners cage match is worth checking out too if you haven't seen it. (And yeah, some of those 10 points came from me! ;D) |
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Oct 30, 2009 18:25:35 GMT -5
Oh to watch them, they're great, they just don't stick in the mind like his earlier stuff does to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 18:27:06 GMT -5
Love DiBiase's Mid South, Japan and NWA stuff, blasphemy I know, but while the gimmick was great I didn't think he had that many great matches in WWF. And he dragged some very watchable ***+ matches out of people like Dustin Rhodes, Jake Roberts, VIRGIL (!), and Warrior (!!) One of these things is not like the others |
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Oct 30, 2009 18:33:05 GMT -5
And he dragged some very watchable ***+ matches out of people like Dustin Rhodes, Jake Roberts, VIRGIL (!), and Warrior (!!) One of these things is not like the others I challenge you: name a great Jake match (apart from Tuesday in Texas) |
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Oct 30, 2009 18:48:57 GMT -5
Well, from my tapes;
- Mid-South Superdome Extravaganza (April 18, '81) = Roberts & Jimmy Garvin fell to the Grappler & the Super Destroyer in the Mid-South Tag-Team Title Tournament.
- Mid-South Superdome Extravaganza (July 4, '81) = Roberts lost the Mid-South North American Title to Paul Orndorff.
- Toronto Exhibition Stadium #1 (July 10, '83) = Roberts & Dory Funk Jr fell to Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood.
- WCCW Labor Day Star Wars (September 3, '84) = Roberts dropped the WCCW Television Title to Chris Adams.
- WCCW 1st Cotton Bowl Extravaganza (October 27, '84) = Roberts, Chris Adams & Gino Hernandez won the 6-Man Tag Titles, beating Bobby Fulton, Kerry & Mike von Erich.
- WCCW Wrestling Star Wars (January 28, '85) = Roberts, Chris Adams & Gino Hernandez defeated the Fabulous Freebirds. Later that night, Roberts, Adams & Hernandez lost to Mike, Kevin & Kerry von Erich.
- Mid-South Superdome Extravaganza (August 10, '85) = Roberts & Nord the Barbarian lost a "Steel Cage" Match to the Mid-South Tag Champs, Ted DiBiase & Steve Williams.
- WWF The Big Event (August 28, '86) = Roberts lost a "Snake Pit" Match to Ricky Steamboat.
- WWF Saturday Night's Main Event #7 (September 13, '86) = Roberts was pinned by Ricky Steamboat.
- WWF Wrestlemania IV (March 27, '88) = Roberts fought to a Draw with Rick Rude.
- WWF Saturday Night's Main Event #25 (January 3, '90) = Roberts won, via DQ, over Greg Valentine.
- WWF Survivor Series '90 (November 22) = Roberts, Jimmy Snuka & the Rockers fought in an "Elimination" Match against Rick Martel, the Warlord & Power & Glory. Roberts was counted out. Martel's entire team 'survived'.
- WWF Wrestlemania VII (March 24, '91) = Roberts won a "Blindfold" Match over Rick Martel.
- WWF at the Omni (October 13, '91) = Roberts was beaten by Randy Savage.
- WWF Royal Rumble '92 (January 19) = Roberts competed in the Royal Rumble, which was won by Ric Flair.
- WWF Saturday Night's Main Event #30 (January 27, '92) = Roberts was beaten by Randy Savage.
- WWF Wrestlemania VIII (April 5, '92) = Roberts was pinned by the Undertaker.
- WCW Clash of the Champions XX (September 2, '92) = Roberts, Rick Rude, Big Van Vader & Super Invader fought in an "Elimination" Match against Sting, Nikita Koloff & the Steiner Brothers. Roberts & Rude were the 'survivors'.
- NJPW Battlefield Yokohama (September 23, '93) = Roberts was beaten by the IWGP Champion, Shinya Hashimoto.
- SMW Harriman Show (May 2, '94) = Roberts won the SMW Heavyweight Title, beating the Dirty White Boy.
- SMW Knoxville Show (June 17, '94) = Roberts, as the SMW Heavyweight Champion, fought to a No-Contest with the Dirty White Boy.
- SMW Johnson City Show (June 18, '94) = Roberts stayed the SMW Champ, winning, via DQ, over the Dirty White Boy.
All great storytelling matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 21:06:28 GMT -5
I see two of my guys "finally" made the list. I am honestly amazed that more people voted Bockwinkel than Cena. (No offense to Nick, but a man who hasn't wrestled actively in almost 20 years getting that many votes is a testament to his ability and longevity.) Out of all of the guys on my list, Cena has the least experience, and look at where I rated him. 1) 2) John Cena 3) 4) 5) Nick Bockwinkel I think that says something about the man. And, I'm not even really a John Cena fan. But, when he hits the ring or cuts a promo, I have to watch. He just draws you in and makes you a believer in whatever he's promoting. That is a master at work. And, there are two more guys on my list I'm not a fan of (at all) that almost have the same "power". Just sucks you in and takes you on a ride. Bockwinkel only had a maximum of 4 votes, he got 6 of his 8 points from you and I. Because we're smart like that.  |
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Post by quantum on Oct 31, 2009 11:08:16 GMT -5
- WWF Wrestlemania VII (March 24, '91) = Roberts won a "Blindfold" Match over Rick Martel. I have not saw many of the matches on your list. However I do like Jake Roberts ring work and think he is one of the best promo men of all time. However you can hardly call the WM 7 'Blindfold Match' against Rick Martel a great match. It was what it was and not very good at that. However I can understand it being very difficult to wear a blindfold and wrestle a half decent match. I would like to add Money Inc VS Mega Maniacs at WM9 as a good DiBiase match. It was his last Mania match as is very overlooked. Die perhaps top it;s weak ending. |
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Post by JerryvonKramer on Nov 2, 2009 15:43:41 GMT -5
And on 12 points ... weighing in at 240lbs ... from Venice Beach, Florida .... THIS IS...11. Sting Arguably the biggest American star of the past 30 years to have never wrestled in the WWF/E, Sting started his career in Bill Watts's UWF/ Mid-South territory tagging with Jim "The Ultimate Warrior" Helwig. He went on to become the NWA's biggest babyface after Flair put him over to become NWA World Champ at The Great American Bash 1990. Sting was easily the most over babyface in WCW during the early 90s having great matches against -- among others -- Flair, Vader, and Cactus Jack. When Hogan entered the WCW in 1994, Sting was shunted down the card for a while where he tagged with Luger. Few could have predicted the awesome Crow gimmick that was to follow and the infamous match against Hogan at Starrcade '97. Sting was arguably the second greatest wrestling in WCW's history after Flair. Since WCW's takeover, he has steadfastly refused to sign for the WWE, instead preferring to help establish TNA. Sting was possibly the most complete of true blue late 80s/ early 90s face maineventers. He is solid (call it ****) in every respect.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Nov 2, 2009 16:06:14 GMT -5
1. Roddy Piper
2. WOOOOOO
3. Sting
4. Got Screwed
5. John Cena
And I loved the angle and the storytelling of the blindfold match.
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Post by quantum on Nov 3, 2009 5:26:29 GMT -5
And I loved the angle and the storytelling of the blindfold match. The angle was awesome. However the blow off at Mania 7 was dumb and can hardly be called a top class match. The highlight of it was Jake Roberts promo before the match. |
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Post by J is Justice on Nov 3, 2009 9:58:41 GMT -5
And I loved the angle and the storytelling of the blindfold match. However the blow off at Mania 7 was dumb and can hardly be called a top class match. It was fun. Although, it went a bit too long. |
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