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Post by paulbearer on Sept 16, 2009 14:28:15 GMT -5
The perp could've just kicked the sword out of his hand and then thrust it thru his back....like Bruce did in Fist of Fury lol
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Sept 16, 2009 14:28:35 GMT -5
Actually, using a gun takes more skill than you think. You have to stay in practice. You have to learn how to aim quickly. You have to learn how not to anticipate the kick, thus overcompensating and throwing your aim off. Usually, the people that have concealed handgun licenses can shoot better than about 90% of people because they take it seriously. Guns are serious business. Well yeah, but ANYONE can pick it up and use it right away. Takes no skill to use instantly. Blades? Take skill all the way. no you can't, there's a kick and if you just randomly pick up a gun and fire it with out holding it properly it'll break your wrist! plus you'll probably miss your target and then alert whomever it is who breaks into your house!
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Sept 16, 2009 14:40:17 GMT -5
You could cut someone 100 times with a sword and they don't die, but you could also cut someone once with a sword and they die.
Far as I'm concerned, the burglar didn't have luck on his side.
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Post by Cactus Jack on Sept 16, 2009 15:15:53 GMT -5
Um, the guy died, folks.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 16, 2009 15:38:14 GMT -5
Actually, using a gun takes more skill than you think. You have to stay in practice. You have to learn how to aim quickly. You have to learn how not to anticipate the kick, thus overcompensating and throwing your aim off. Usually, the people that have concealed handgun licenses can shoot better than about 90% of people because they take it seriously. Guns are serious business. Well yeah, but ANYONE can pick it up and use it right away. Takes no skill to use instantly. Blades? Take skill all the way. Umm, yeah, ANYONE can pick up a sword, knife, etc and swing it around like a monkey. The act of grabbing and thrusting or swinging requires no skill, just the flat ability to perform the movements. You can cut and stab someone like that, it's not hard. To use either well requires practice and skill. And I've used both quite a bit.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 16:50:30 GMT -5
Well yeah, but ANYONE can pick it up and use it right away. Takes no skill to use instantly. Blades? Take skill all the way. Umm, yeah, ANYONE can pick up a sword, knife, etc and swing it around like a monkey. The act of grabbing and thrusting or swinging requires no skill, just the flat ability to perform the movements. You can cut and stab someone like that, it's not hard. To use either well requires practice and skill. And I've used both quite a bit. Yes, you can pick up the sword and swing it, but it isn't always going to work the way you want. For you to effectively just pick up and use a bladed weapon, you need to know what kind it is. You just can't swing a sword made for thrusting and hope to decapitate someone. Could that still happen? Yes, on the off chance, it can, but thrusting swords were made for just that, stabbing someone. Same with a slashing sword, you can't stab someone with one unless you put a lot of force behind it. And then there is the chance you grab a sword that isn't like the popular image of a sword, for example, maybe a rapier. Difference between a sword and a gun is, most, if not all, guns do the same basic principle, point, pull the trigger, and boom. Swords, not so much. There is to many variants to swords for you to just pick one up and expect to easily kill someone with it. Guns are for the lazy, and those afraid to get in close and personal. Even if you suck with a gun, you can still kill someone from a distance. A sword is personal, and makes combat personal. Swords will always be the better weapons compared to guns.
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Post by Mehe is F'n hardcore. on Sept 16, 2009 17:00:23 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the gun thread, we have guns, but also in this house are many, many swords. A man would be a fool to break in here.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Sept 16, 2009 17:04:46 GMT -5
Umm, yeah, ANYONE can pick up a sword, knife, etc and swing it around like a monkey. The act of grabbing and thrusting or swinging requires no skill, just the flat ability to perform the movements. You can cut and stab someone like that, it's not hard. To use either well requires practice and skill. And I've used both quite a bit. Yes, you can pick up the sword and swing it, but it isn't always going to work the way you want. For you to effectively just pick up and use a bladed weapon, you need to know what kind it is. You just can't swing a sword made for thrusting and hope to decapitate someone. Could that still happen? Yes, on the off chance, it can, but thrusting swords were made for just that, stabbing someone. Same with a slashing sword, you can't stab someone with one unless you put a lot of force behind it. And then there is the chance you grab a sword that isn't like the popular image of a sword, for example, maybe a rapier. Difference between a sword and a gun is, most, if not all, guns do the same basic principle, point, pull the trigger, and boom. Swords, not so much. There is to many variants to swords for you to just pick one up and expect to easily kill someone with it. Guns are for the lazy, and those afraid to get in close and personal. Even if you suck with a gun, you can still kill someone from a distance. A sword is personal, and makes combat personal. Swords will always be the better weapons compared to guns. koda, you've never fired a gun in real life have you?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 16, 2009 17:06:10 GMT -5
I beg to differ on swords being a better weapon than guns. Swords may be more romantic, but that hardly makes them better when you consider what weapons are used for.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 17:06:47 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the gun thread, we have guns, but also in this house are many, many swords. A man would be a fool to break in here. Damn straight. I mean, I still respect guns, but if I am going to kill a man, it would be with an elegant sword, a tool crafted for the sole purpose of taking lives, rather than a weapon that can be mass produced.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 17:07:47 GMT -5
Yes, you can pick up the sword and swing it, but it isn't always going to work the way you want. For you to effectively just pick up and use a bladed weapon, you need to know what kind it is. You just can't swing a sword made for thrusting and hope to decapitate someone. Could that still happen? Yes, on the off chance, it can, but thrusting swords were made for just that, stabbing someone. Same with a slashing sword, you can't stab someone with one unless you put a lot of force behind it. And then there is the chance you grab a sword that isn't like the popular image of a sword, for example, maybe a rapier. Difference between a sword and a gun is, most, if not all, guns do the same basic principle, point, pull the trigger, and boom. Swords, not so much. There is to many variants to swords for you to just pick one up and expect to easily kill someone with it. Guns are for the lazy, and those afraid to get in close and personal. Even if you suck with a gun, you can still kill someone from a distance. A sword is personal, and makes combat personal. Swords will always be the better weapons compared to guns. koda, you've never fired a gun in real life have you? I did, the thing had a pretty nice kick to it, but I still hit my target. Doesn't change anything.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 17:08:58 GMT -5
I beg to differ on swords being a better weapon than guns. Swords may be more romantic, but that hardly makes them better when you consider what weapons are used for. A sword in this day and age shows you have balls. Especially if you bring a sword to a gun fight. A gun just symbolizes how industrialized combat has become.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 16, 2009 17:10:17 GMT -5
Umm, yeah, ANYONE can pick up a sword, knife, etc and swing it around like a monkey. The act of grabbing and thrusting or swinging requires no skill, just the flat ability to perform the movements. You can cut and stab someone like that, it's not hard. To use either well requires practice and skill. And I've used both quite a bit. Yes, you can pick up the sword and swing it, but it isn't always going to work the way you want. For you to effectively just pick up and use a bladed weapon, you need to know what kind it is. You just can't swing a sword made for thrusting and hope to decapitate someone. Could that still happen? Yes, on the off chance, it can, but thrusting swords were made for just that, stabbing someone. Same with a slashing sword, you can't stab someone with one unless you put a lot of force behind it. Your quote was that anyone can pick one up and use it right away, there is absolutely zero about swords that prevent anyone from doing the same. You're wrong. Is it going to work perfectly? No, but guess what? Neither are guns. You can still swing a sword randomly and seriously injure or kill someone even if you never have before. If you pick up a shotgun and don't know how to use it, you have a rather decent chance of not only missing your target entirely because you have birdshot in it, but seriously injuring yourself in the process. It's no different. Yes, there are variety in swords. Guess what, there's a hell of a lot of variety of guns and ammunition as well, for all different purposes and targets. Are you serious or are you just not aware of the types of guns out there? "Well, you might pick up a rapier," yeah, you also might pick up a bolt action rifle when a hand gun is more efficient. You might pick up a double barrel and break your damn wrist because you think there's nothing to it. Guns are for the lazy, and those afraid to get in close and personal. Even if you suck with a gun, you can still kill someone from a distance. A sword is personal, and makes combat personal. Swords will always be the better weapons compared to guns. Weapons are weapons, nothing more, nothing less. The Japanophiles and otaku may praise the imaginary honor and nobility behind it, but I've used a variety of swords and guns and they both have their own levels of skill required to use them. It ain't point and click like a videogame with guns, nor does it require years in a Buddhist Monastery to be able to use a sword with enough affect to kill someone. There are a lot harder weapons to master than swords.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 16, 2009 17:11:51 GMT -5
I beg to differ on swords being a better weapon than guns. Swords may be more romantic, but that hardly makes them better when you consider what weapons are used for. A sword in this day and age shows you have balls. Especially if you bring a sword to a gun fight. A sword in a gunfight in this day and age shows you're probably an otaku, and that someone will probably be reading your obituary soon. Oh, but yes, you'll look nice and tough and dumb when you do lose that fight.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 16, 2009 17:15:08 GMT -5
I beg to differ on swords being a better weapon than guns. Swords may be more romantic, but that hardly makes them better when you consider what weapons are used for. A sword in this day and age shows you have balls. Especially if you bring a sword to a gun fight. A gun just symbolizes how industrialized combat has become. What does "balls" have to do with better weapons? It'd take more balls to take a toothpick to a gun fight than it does to take a sword; is a toothpick now a better weapon than a sword?
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 17:15:48 GMT -5
Yes, you can pick up the sword and swing it, but it isn't always going to work the way you want. For you to effectively just pick up and use a bladed weapon, you need to know what kind it is. You just can't swing a sword made for thrusting and hope to decapitate someone. Could that still happen? Yes, on the off chance, it can, but thrusting swords were made for just that, stabbing someone. Same with a slashing sword, you can't stab someone with one unless you put a lot of force behind it. Your quote was that anyone can pick one up and use it right away, there is absolutely zero about swords that prevent anyone from doing the same. You're wrong. Is it going to work perfectly? No, but guess what? Neither are guns. You can still swing a sword randomly and seriously injure or kill someone even if you never have before. If you pick up a shotgun and don't know how to use it, you have a rather decent chance of not only missing your target entirely because you have birdshot in it, but seriously injuring yourself in the process. It's no different. Yes, there are variety in swords. Guess what, there's a hell of a lot of variety of guns and ammunition as well, for all different purposes and targets. Are you serious or are you just not aware of the types of guns out there? "Well, you might pick up a rapier," yeah, you also might pick up a bolt action rifle when a hand gun is more efficient. You might pick up a double barrel and break your damn wrist because you think there's nothing to it. Guns are for the lazy, and those afraid to get in close and personal. Even if you suck with a gun, you can still kill someone from a distance. A sword is personal, and makes combat personal. Swords will always be the better weapons compared to guns. Weapons are weapons, nothing more, nothing less. The Japanophiles and otaku may praise the imaginary honor and nobility behind it, but I've used a variety of swords and guns and they both have their own levels of skill required to use them. It ain't point and click like a videogame with guns, nor does it require years in a Buddhist Monastery to be able to use a sword with enough affect to kill someone. There are a lot harder weapons to master than swords. I know all about guns, the different calibers, the different types, the different ammunition. A handgun is simple and easy to use. And by swords, I'm not talking about the Katana, when I usually talk about swords, I'm talking about the European and Middle Eastern variety mostly. Just like you say anyone can use a gun but injure themselves, same applies to swords, if not more so. It is extremely dangerous swinging around a hunk of sharpened steel that you don't even know how to use. Can using a gun you don't know how to use break your wrist or something? Yeah, it can, but usually you'll survive. Mishandling a sword, though, that will most likely be your life.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 17:16:32 GMT -5
A sword in this day and age shows you have balls. Especially if you bring a sword to a gun fight. A gun just symbolizes how industrialized combat has become. What does "balls" have to do with better weapons? It'd take more balls to take a toothpick to a gun fight than it does to take a sword; is a toothpick now a better weapon than a sword? Actually. Yes. Yes it is. In case you haven't caught on by now, this is the part where you should realize I have been joking the entire time.
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Post by Mehe is F'n hardcore. on Sept 16, 2009 17:57:16 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the gun thread, we have guns, but also in this house are many, many swords. A man would be a fool to break in here. Damn straight. I mean, I still respect guns, but if I am going to kill a man, it would be with an elegant sword, a tool crafted for the sole purpose of taking lives, rather than a weapon that can be mass produced. And if I could own just one or the other, I'm picking a sword ever time. No ammo. And if I could pick any sword, it'd be Inago's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 18:19:45 GMT -5
The least he could've done was offer the burgular another sword so that they could settle it like men. (men from the 12th century)
In all seriousness, I feel sorry for the kid. Not for getting robbed, for having to carve somebody up with a sword. Tell me that image wouldn't hang in your mind.
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Post by Thomas Powers of Paine on Sept 16, 2009 18:25:31 GMT -5
The least he could've done was offer the burgular another sword so that they could settle it like men. (men from the 12th century) In all seriousness, I feel sorry for the kid. Not for getting robbed, for having to carve somebody up with a sword. Tell me that image wouldn't hang in your mind. 90's Kid would heartily approve.
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