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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 18:27:08 GMT -5
Damn straight. I mean, I still respect guns, but if I am going to kill a man, it would be with an elegant sword, a tool crafted for the sole purpose of taking lives, rather than a weapon that can be mass produced. And if I could own just one or the other, I'm picking a sword ever time. No ammo. And if I could pick any sword, it'd be Inago's. In all seriousness, that is the one thing swords have over guns, they don't need to be reloaded.
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Post by FrankGotch on Sept 16, 2009 18:29:31 GMT -5
As I mentioned in the gun thread, we have guns, but also in this house are many, many swords. A man would be a fool to break in here. Damn straight. I mean, I still respect guns, but if I am going to kill a man, it would be with an elegant sword, a tool crafted for the sole purpose of taking lives, rather than a weapon that can be mass produced. If I were forced to kill a man then it means my life is in grave danger, if my life is in grave danger then chances are my opponent is armed too. I want the weapon that will give me the fastest most effective means of killing, or preferably temporarily disabling the opponent. Koda89 I honestly doubt you have ever been in a real fight in your life, much less a life and death struggle. Real life fights are ugly, brutal, and quick. In a real fight you have little time to react, and even less time to think before you do. Most of all there is nothing elegant, or romantic about killing another human no matter what tool you use.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 18:32:02 GMT -5
Damn straight. I mean, I still respect guns, but if I am going to kill a man, it would be with an elegant sword, a tool crafted for the sole purpose of taking lives, rather than a weapon that can be mass produced. If I were forced to kill a man then it means my life is in grave danger, if my life is in grave danger then chances are my opponent is armed too. I want the weapon that will give me the fastest most effective means of killing, or preferably temporarily disabling the opponent. Koda89 I honestly doubt you have ever been in a real fight in your life, much less a life and death struggle. Real life fights are ugly, brutal, and quick. In a real fight you have little time to react, and even less time to think before you do. Most of all there is nothing elegant, or romantic about killing another human no matter what tool you use. First off, I already stated every post I made prior to the post I made above you were all in jest. Secondly, I have been in a handful of one on one fights, and won every single one of them. Simply cause I had the height and reach advantage over my opponents. Haven't had a fight since I was 13, but still.
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Post by FrankGotch on Sept 16, 2009 18:32:50 GMT -5
And if I could own just one or the other, I'm picking a sword ever time. No ammo. And if I could pick any sword, it'd be Inago's. In all seriousness, that is the one thing swords have over guns, they don't need to be reloaded. If I'm reloading then your already dead, and if I need more then one magazine to defeat the opposition then I'm better off running.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Sept 16, 2009 18:33:49 GMT -5
In all seriousness, that is the one thing swords have over guns, they don't need to be reloaded. If I'm reloading then your already dead, and if I need more then one magazine to defeat the opposition then I'm better off running. What if you are fighting zombies?
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Post by FrankGotch on Sept 16, 2009 18:34:57 GMT -5
If I'm reloading then your already dead, and if I need more then one magazine to defeat the opposition then I'm better off running. What if you are fighting zombies? Better off becoming a zombie. Who knows maybe it ain't so bad?
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Sept 16, 2009 18:40:18 GMT -5
It's not about weapon mastery, it's about making use of something in one moment for self defense. Unless someone's incredibly clumsy how would they hurt themselves with a sword? You know you're not Errol Flynn or Duncan MacLeod in that situation, so you don't try to be with fancy maneuvers, you just need to make contact with a sloppy thrust or swing. If it's fatal, the guy falls. If it's non-fatal, chances are he's in enough pain and shock at being attacked by a sword-wielding home-owner that he'll run away screaming while you call the cops.
Or he's got a gun and goes all Indiana Jones on you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 18:41:56 GMT -5
What if you are fighting zombies? Better off becoming a zombie. Who knows maybe it ain't so bad? I would imagine it's more or less the same, only the pursuit of happiness becomes the pursuit of human flesh and you lose all your vacation days. You forfeit your hobbys, but you also forfeit all hassles not related to the pursuit of human flesh. It's just kind of a streamlined experience.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 16, 2009 19:06:45 GMT -5
A few years back I got angry at my upstairs neighbor for playing his music too loud and ran up there with a metal pipe. I banged on his door, he answered, and I brandished the pipe and yelled to turn the music down. He tried to wrestle it away from me, I pulled it away and bashed him over the head. I was arrested for Aggravated Battery and went to trial. The judge ruled that since I had never tried to attack him and he tried to wrestle it away from me that hitting him was self defense.
I see this as the same situation. The student never tried to attack this man, he had the weapon to defend himself. The burglar attacked him and could have taken the weapon away. The killing should be ruled self defense.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Sept 16, 2009 19:27:41 GMT -5
Are we actually having a swords versus guns debate? All romantic attachment's aside, Gun. Weapons are just another piece of technology, and the technology to kill people at long range, reduce risk to yourself and negate armor renders the gun a better weapons. Dualing, yes, swords are a better weapon, because you don't want to die in a dual, you just want to bleed. If you want a compromise, carry a secondary weapon. I mean, who says you can't have more than one weapon?
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Post by Yami Daimao on Sept 16, 2009 19:54:43 GMT -5
Approves.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 16, 2009 20:04:55 GMT -5
Death is not a just reward for burglary, or even jumping someone. Who the f*** carries around a sword anyway? A homicidal maniac, I say. Just use a baseball bat if you must whack someone over the head. "But, but,, he was breaking and entering, and he totally jumped that student and..." "Blah, blah, blah", I say. That's not worthy of death is it? Blood-thirsty animals. All of you. Makes me wonder really, well not really, that the crimerate in the good-ol' US of A is so high, when this mentality is so common. Flame away all you wan't, I don't care.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 16, 2009 20:10:38 GMT -5
If I'm reloading then your already dead, and if I need more then one magazine to defeat the opposition then I'm better off running. What if you are fighting zombies? Well, they kind of move slow.
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Sept 16, 2009 20:51:03 GMT -5
Death is not a just reward for burglary, or even jumping someone. Who the f*** carries around a sword anyway? A homicidal maniac, I say. Just use a baseball bat if you must whack someone over the head. "But, but,, he was breaking and entering, and he totally jumped that student and..." "Blah, blah, blah", I say. That's not worthy of death is it? Blood-thirsty animals. All of you. Makes me wonder really, well not really, that the crimerate in the good-ol' US of A is so high, when this mentality is so common. Flame away all you wan't, I don't care. This might hold water if the student had lurked in the rafters of the garage, and jumped down to behead the guy without warning. He confronted the guy, told him he was calling the cops, and the guy attacked him. At that point he had to protect himself. As for why a sword? Apparently it was available. Maybe he's a guy who doesn't like guns and who doesn't play baseball. Who knows? It was there. If I hear someone breaking into my house and a choice is a sword or nothing, I'm grabbing the sword. Regular people aren't Batman or Chuck Norris. Most of us don't have the luxury of choosing fancy ways of rendering an attacker unconcious and calmly calling the cops, then hugging our families as they're escorted away. A stranger, who could've been a simple burglar, or a psychopath, was in this kid's house, and all this kid knew was he wanted to get out of the situation alive. That's not to much to ask when you're minding your own business in your own home.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 16, 2009 20:54:14 GMT -5
Death is not a just reward for burglary, or even jumping someone. Who the f*** carries around a sword anyway? A homicidal maniac, I say. Just use a baseball bat if you must whack someone over the head. "But, but,, he was breaking and entering, and he totally jumped that student and..." "Blah, blah, blah", I say. That's not worthy of death is it? Blood-thirsty animals. All of you. Makes me wonder really, well not really, that the crimerate in the good-ol' US of A is so high, when this mentality is so common. Flame away all you wan't, I don't care. Every person has a right to defend themselves, and if you find someone in your home, you're not going to root around for a weapon, you're going to grab what you have available. Why he had it in his home is irrelevant, he could have been a collector, he could have been a martial artist, who knows. When the crook lunged at him, his fight or flight reflex kicked in and he responded. Death isn't the best result for it, but if you expect us to believe the student did something wrong with defending himself, you're crazy.
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Post by FrankGotch on Sept 16, 2009 20:59:01 GMT -5
Death is not a just reward for burglary, or even jumping someone. Who the f*** carries around a sword anyway? A homicidal maniac, I say. Just use a baseball bat if you must whack someone over the head. "But, but,, he was breaking and entering, and he totally jumped that student and..." "Blah, blah, blah", I say. That's not worthy of death is it? Blood-thirsty animals. All of you. Makes me wonder really, well not really, that the crimerate in the good-ol' US of A is so high, when this mentality is so common. Flame away all you wan't, I don't care. OK you asked for it. 1. The nature of our universe dictates that death is the reward for the stupid, and careless. Doesn't matter if you ride without a seat belt, play around train tracks, or break into another persons home and try to attack them. If you go out of your way to participate in risky activities then you have earned the consequences of your actions. 2. Many people collect swords for display, so its not uncommon for anyone especially a college student to have one readily accessible. When a person believes their life could be in danger why wouldn't they grab a weapon if it was right there? 3. OK then smart guy. A strange man has broken into your house, and is lunging at you. What do you do? Remember you only have split seconds to react. 4. I seriously doubt the vast majority of crimes in the US are perpetrated by vengeful home owners trying to protect themselves during a home invasion. (Fun fact. Every one of John Wayne Gacy's victims was an unlucky home invader).
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 16, 2009 21:11:32 GMT -5
"Blah, blah, blah", I say. Yup. That is what you say.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Sept 16, 2009 21:47:13 GMT -5
Death is not a just reward for burglary, or even jumping someone. Who the f*** carries around a sword anyway? A homicidal maniac, I say. Just use a baseball bat if you must whack someone over the head. "But, but,, he was breaking and entering, and he totally jumped that student and..." "Blah, blah, blah", I say. That's not worthy of death is it? Blood-thirsty animals. All of you. Makes me wonder really, well not really, that the crimerate in the good-ol' US of A is so high, when this mentality is so common. Flame away all you wan't, I don't care. The criminal's right to life ended when he infringed upon the student's right to life. You see, life is one of the natual rights of man, it is endowed by God, and the primary purpose of the state and all of it's agents is to protect that right. Society cannot deny the individual the right to kill in self defense, for it is to deny the individual's right to live, for it would be to force a man to be a passive instrument of his own destruction. The state cannot demand as that right was retained by the individual when the social contract was made.
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Sept 16, 2009 23:18:22 GMT -5
What a wuss. If that was me, I would've been like this:
And then I'd take the guys head and wear it on my head like a trophy-slash-helmet.
Seriously, it's just self-defense that ended up with someone getting killed, and it's only unusual since it was a sword.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Sept 16, 2009 23:57:28 GMT -5
Death is not a just reward for burglary, or even jumping someone. Who the f*** carries around a sword anyway? A homicidal maniac, I say. Just use a baseball bat if you must whack someone over the head. "But, but,, he was breaking and entering, and he totally jumped that student and..." "Blah, blah, blah", I say. That's not worthy of death is it? Blood-thirsty animals. All of you. Makes me wonder really, well not really, that the crimerate in the good-ol' US of A is so high, when this mentality is so common. Flame away all you wan't, I don't care. OK you asked for it. 1. The nature of our universe dictates that death is the reward for the stupid, and careless. Doesn't matter if you ride without a seat belt, play around train tracks, or break into another persons home and try to attack them. If you go out of your way to participate in risky activities then you have earned the consequences of your actions. 2. Many people collect swords for display, so its not uncommon for anyone especially a college student to have one readily accessible. When a person believes their life could be in danger why wouldn't they grab a weapon if it was right there? 3. OK then smart guy. A strange man has broken into your house, and is lunging at you. What do you do? Remember you only have split seconds to react. 4. I seriously doubt the vast majority of crimes in the US are perpetrated by vengeful home owners trying to protect themselves during a home invasion. (Fun fact. Every one of John Wayne Gacy's victims was an unlucky home invader). You pretty much covered what I was going to say except for one thing. He mentioned the crime rate, well, I'd like him to know that EVERY reported crime goes into the crime rate. Even if it's something as insignificant as someone stealing your Best of the 80's CD from your car while the window was down or a police officer taking in a college student for underage drinking. Also, I own swords and not a baseball bat. I guess that makes me a blood thirsty maniac.
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