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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Oct 30, 2009 0:32:17 GMT -5
did you watch the footage koda posted? Yes I did. Nothing I haven't seen in movies, anime, books ,or comics. Yeah it's harsh as hell but once again you can skip it if you want to. I can understand that people are going to have a different opinion than me but I seriously think people are overreacting like hell to this. The point of that section is to show you that Terrorism is a scary and f***ed up thing, it's like the Dragon going off in the first MW or playing as the PResident as he's being driven threw the city and seeing all the bad s*** going on before he is excecuted. And honestly IW is just using there Mature rating to it's fullest. Not once did I see anything in there that says that IW put this in there for the lulz or anything else like that. but that's why it's different from GTA. GTA's violence has always been extremely over the top and used as satire, this is dead serious and should only be viewed by mature audiences in my opinion. You also have to take in the immersion you have while playing a game as compared to watching a movie and reading a book.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Oct 30, 2009 1:28:11 GMT -5
Ehhh...I don't see how killing cops in GTA is okay because its sattire, but this isn't okay because its "teh srs"
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Oct 30, 2009 1:32:22 GMT -5
Ehhh...I don't see how killing cops in GTA is okay because its sattire, but this isn't okay because its "teh srs" I'm not saying one isn't ok, I'm just pointing out the difference in tone and how that massively changes the way this game is going to be viewed.
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 30, 2009 2:54:51 GMT -5
Ehhh...I don't see how killing cops in GTA is okay because its sattire, but this isn't okay because its "teh srs" I think it's the same philosophy of "dead soldier = casulty of war, but dead civilian = terrorism." Niether is "ok," but one ranks higher than the other on the horrifying scale Well, the soldier is armed and has training while a civillian is usually unarmed. Not sure what difference that makes, but it doesn't hurt to throw that out there.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 30, 2009 2:58:50 GMT -5
This goes back to the same damn head scratching reaction I had when I was reading the WET forums and this guy was freaking out over his kid possibly seeing a boob in that game...yet he seemed like he could've cared less about all the rampant, over the top, hideously bloody and GRINDHOUSE style violence, and hearing the F-bomb roughly a thousand times in the game.
My point: Some people are CRAPPY parents. Some people will buy this game for their kids, despite the M rating, and despite having heard all of this noise....and they will be PISSED and throw a fit over the fact that their little darling, whom they BOUGHT the game for, has been corrupted by the hideous violence contained therein. There really shouldn't BE any controversy over this, in my opinion. It's a game made for adults, ostensibly. Adults should be able to handle the depictions of terrorist activity.....hell, we see as bad, if not worse in entertainment shows like 24 and on the dang evening news, for crying out loud! If you can't take it, heck, like others have said, you can skip the scene.
I see no reason the developers should have to censor themselves because a few people are offended by this tiny skippable bit of gameplay.
/two cents.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 30, 2009 3:20:43 GMT -5
This goes back to the same damn head scratching reaction I had when I was reading the WET forums and this guy was freaking out over his kid possibly seeing a boob in that game...yet he seemed like he could've cared less about all the rampant, over the top, hideously bloody and GRINDHOUSE style violence, and hearing the F-bomb roughly a thousand times in the game. My point: Some people are CRAPPY parents. Some people will buy this game for their kids, despite the M rating, and despite having heard all of this noise....and they will be PISSED and throw a fit over the fact that their little darling, whom they BOUGHT the game for, has been corrupted by the hideous violence contained therein. There really shouldn't BE any controversy over this, in my opinion. It's a game made for adults, ostensibly. Adults should be able to handle the depictions of terrorist activity.....hell, we see as bad, if not worse in entertainment shows like 24 and on the dang evening news, for crying out loud! If you can't take it, heck, like others have said, you can skip the scene. I see no reason the developers should have to censor themselves because a few people are offended by this tiny skippable bit of gameplay. /two cents. I don't think they HAVE to censor themselves. It's just like I said in an earlier post: They can release the game, and the public at large as an equal right to view this company as one that glorifies terrorism and never hand their money over to them again. Personally, I won't be buying this game and may very well keep the developer's name in mind when making future purchaces, reducing the odds I buy anything from them in the future. So, the company has to weigh the risks vs. the reward. You are correct, but consider this: do you feel the same way about Fox, whose hit show 24 could be said to glorify terrorism? How about the WWE, whose stupid, miscalculated storyline with Hassan could have been said to have done the same? What about Bruce Willis, whose DIE HARD movies, while keeping them the villains, have done nothing BUT glorify terrorists? I'm assuming here that by "glorify" you mean the depiction of terrorist acts, since that's what I see in that footage. I don't think they're honestly trying to convert anyone into a terrorist by having that footage, nor are they proclaiming that act that you see as the "right" thing to do. In fact, it is my understanding that your character KNOWS what's going down is VERY wrong, and later on, you stop these people. I fail to see how this is any degree worse than some of the things you can do in FALLOUT 3....I mean, I get that this is "real" and presented as a real world scenario...but so are some of the nasty things you do in FALLOUT 3, and, come to think of it, some of the nasty things you do in SILENT HILL: HOMECOMING. Killing your own MOTHER, for God's sake? I mean, like I said, you are correct in that the company is going to have to weigh their options on how many sales they're going to lose via pissed off people, and how many sales they're going to GAIN from either the controversy, or the people who love the game and are going to buy it regardless. I think the number of the latter is going to outweigh the former, myself...but I do respect your position, and am glad to see a person sticking to their guns.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 30, 2009 3:31:52 GMT -5
Regardless of the controversy, this game is going to do gangbusters. It currently has the record for the most preorders of ANY Activision game in the history of the company.
Plus, let's not forget that at least 40% of the people who buy this game will NEVER touch the single player, so this whole situation doesn't matter to them.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Oct 30, 2009 3:34:50 GMT -5
I wonder if this game will receive the mythical AO rating, ESRB's version of NC-17. That might make this whole situation interesting.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 30, 2009 3:38:17 GMT -5
Last I heard it was getting an M. Could change though.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 30, 2009 3:42:09 GMT -5
ESRB wouldn't have the balls to change the rating to this game.
Especially since it comes out in less than 2 weeks.
Also, considering how this game is the last chance to really "salvage" the year financially for the industry, which, until last month, has seen nothing but month to month declines in both hardware and software sales.
Not only does Activision need this game to be a success, the industry needs it to be a success. The ESRB wouldn't dare do anything that could deal a huge blow to the industry.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 30, 2009 3:49:09 GMT -5
Modern Warfare failing would not bring down the industry. Activision, maybe, but not the industry. It wouldn't directly bring down the industry, but it could deal the kind of blow that would cause a snowball effect that could crash the industry....again.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 30, 2009 3:58:33 GMT -5
Actually, to be honest, the snowball effect could begin in early 2010 if MW2 completely and totally bombs. Why? Too many f***ing titles in early 2010, that's why. So many titles in such a small span that many titles will either bomb or only do "so-so". The only sure fire hits in that time frame are Mass Effect 2, Final Fantasy XIII, and God of War III. BioShock 2...actually has a high chance of bombing. It isn't the same team as before, the online looks sketchy at best. Too many things going against it.
So.....yeah, right now the industry and slowly walking to the edge of a blade.
Even Nintendo is slowly starting to feel a pinch. Their sales have started to slow down on the Wii.
Of course for all of this to happen, MW2 has to bomb, which it won't.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 30, 2009 4:14:29 GMT -5
re: Bioshock 2 - since when does a sequel have to be good to sell a lot of units? But, still, FF13 and God of War III, two games I foolishly had slip my mind, will sell. A lot. Well the thing is BioShock is an enigma of a series. The first game was for all intents and purposes, a surprise hit. And to be honest....general opinion of BioShock 2 has been wishy-washy. Some like what they've seen, others have absolutely HATED it. I just don't think the BioShock name is strong enough to push units alone. If BioShock 2 is to be a success, it'll need the strong word of mouth BioShock 1 had.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 30, 2009 5:25:04 GMT -5
In other words, if it sells, you'd be Bioshocked? Would you kindly use more puns?
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Post by Jay Carroll on Oct 30, 2009 7:37:43 GMT -5
In other words, if it sells, you'd be Bioshocked? Would you kindly use more puns? This is quite a Koda to your earlier discussion That's all I got....
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Oct 30, 2009 11:16:08 GMT -5
eh. I think Nintendo's holiday titles will do pretty well, and I think Tekken 6 and DJ Hero will also move many units. And Bioshock 2 coming in Februrary DJ Hero isn't going to move a damn thing. It looks like a great game, but early preorders were low and early analysts are saying that the game won't sell to be people walking in the store.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 30, 2009 12:16:48 GMT -5
eh. I think Nintendo's holiday titles will do pretty well, and I think Tekken 6 and DJ Hero will also move many units. And Bioshock 2 coming in Februrary Looks like somebody hasn't kept up to date on Nintendo's (mis)fortunes money.aol.com/article/nintendo-profit-dives-others-in-red-amid/742662?icid=sphere_newsaol_inpageAnd seriously guys, do we want to see one of the last remotely profitable sectors of the economy crash? A sector that was able, in spite of falling profits, to sustain itself without a single bailout?
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 30, 2009 14:58:05 GMT -5
eh. I think Nintendo's holiday titles will do pretty well, and I think Tekken 6 and DJ Hero will also move many units. And Bioshock 2 coming in Februrary Looks like somebody hasn't kept up to date on Nintendo's (mis)fortunes money.aol.com/article/nintendo-profit-dives-others-in-red-amid/742662?icid=sphere_newsaol_inpageAnd seriously guys, do we want to see one of the last remotely profitable sectors of the economy crash? A sector that was able, in spite of falling profits, to sustain itself without a single bailout? Porn hasn't needed a bailout, has it? I mean, I think porn has always been profitable. But I digress.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Oct 30, 2009 15:05:28 GMT -5
Porn hasn't needed a bailout, has it? I mean, I think porn has always been profitable. But I digress. www.eonline.com/uberblog/b77925_francis_flynt_hustle_congress_porn.htmlAlthough, in all fairness, it sounded like they were joking. Usually recessions kill off the crappy companies, and leave the good sound ones, and in gaming, that's okay. I mean, I never want anyone to lose a job, but if that job happens to be "I programed the Wii Ware port of Sexy Poker" Well, then, I can't feel bad about it.
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 30, 2009 15:12:20 GMT -5
See, and I agree with you, to an extent. I mean, if this means tighter reigns on quality control, then I'm all for some of these companies getting hit in the pocketbook. I never want to see anyone lose a job, but at the same time...how many broken, buggy games is it ok for that person or company to come out with? Same goes for the Hollywood studios. Oh, you're going broke? Cry me a frickin' river...maybe you should have, you know, LISTENED to audiences when they stayed away from your crappy Rob Zombie reboot in droves, instead of investing $30 million MORE dollars in a sequel to that film, a sequel NO ONE was clamoring to see!
It almost makes me think of WCW after Turner sold his stations in the Time Warner thing....how all of a sudden, they had to be fiscally responsible. Well, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if Hollywood, and the gaming industry, had to be more fiscally responsible, would it? Games are expensive for them to make, and expensive for US to buy...so maybe cranking out TURD-BOMB movie tie ins and charging us $60 for them ISN'T a feasible idea anymore? That thought does not depress me at all.
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