MasonK565
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 11, 2009 16:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 11, 2009 16:49:03 GMT -5
It's like WCW of the late 90's: Except that I don't see them going under soon and TNA picking them up like that.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Aug 11, 2009 16:49:12 GMT -5
Upon first reading the topic, I thought it said "Vince pissed at his own dong".
I'll go for bad writing, anyway.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 11, 2009 16:50:11 GMT -5
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MasonK565
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 11, 2009 16:50:42 GMT -5
Upon first reading the topic, I thought it said "Vince pissed at his own dong". I'll go for bad writing, anyway. haha lol
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 11, 2009 16:52:30 GMT -5
Creative really has its hands tied behind its backs, every idea must be approved by those directly above. I'm hesitant to say they suck because we don't know how many great ideas are shot down by the McMahons or others who have the veto power.
The booking is why they have such a hard time making new stars. They don't give people the time they need or freedom they need to get over.
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Post by KingPopper on Aug 11, 2009 16:53:47 GMT -5
Maybe if they would stop releasing guys before they get a chance.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 11, 2009 16:55:09 GMT -5
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'M FIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRED!!!!
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 11, 2009 16:56:31 GMT -5
"Too much of the veterans" is far too generalized. Some veterans actually put over the young talent and work well with the new generation. Others don't.
The big problem is that the writers/talent/Vince himself are too gun-shy to invest in new talent and put in the time/energy/risk to build them up. Stephanie's personal stake in the current main-event scene doesn't help either.
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MasonK565
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 11, 2009 16:58:01 GMT -5
"Too much of the veterans" is far too generalized. Some veterans actually put over the young talent and work well with the new generation. Others don't. The big problem is that the writers/talent/Vince himself are too gun-shy to invest in new talent and put in the time/energy/risk to build them up. Stephanie's personal stake in the current main-event scene doesn't help either. Yah, I accidently submitted this poll be accident . . . pressed the wrong button. I was gonna add more options and the veterans thing to something about same people over and over again . . . but i f***ed up . . .
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Post by willywonka666 on Aug 11, 2009 16:59:39 GMT -5
I think the writers have way too much control. Let the wrestlers have some input and if it flies, it flies. As brilliant as Roddy piper is, he would have a much harder time getting over today if they didn't let him roll with what he knows best.
In the past, there's only been a handful of wrestlers with the personality and willingness to take it up a notch, like Austin, Hogan etc. When you have big guys like that leading the way, it inspires you to be around them, and you want to do a better job. there's not a lot of that going on today at all.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Aug 11, 2009 16:59:55 GMT -5
lol @ the quote....look to the 90's vince...you imbeicle. hmm maybe make these guys you want to push WIN BIG MATCHES ON PPVS.
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AriadosMan
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 11, 2009 17:03:45 GMT -5
I think the writers have way too much control. Let the wrestlers have some input and if it flies, it flies. As brilliant as Roddy piper is, he would have a much harder time getting over today if they didn't let him roll with what he knows best. In the past, there's only been a handful of wrestlers with the personality and willingness to take it up a notch, like Austin, Hogan etc. When you have big guys like that leading the way, it inspires you to be around them, and you want to do a better job. there's not a lot of that going on today at all. Giving wrestlers creative control is what made WCW what they are today. Never put the inmates in charge of the asylum.
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MasonK565
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 11, 2009 17:05:49 GMT -5
I think the writers have way too much control. Let the wrestlers have some input and if it flies, it flies. As brilliant as Roddy piper is, he would have a much harder time getting over today if they didn't let him roll with what he knows best. In the past, there's only been a handful of wrestlers with the personality and willingness to take it up a notch, like Austin, Hogan etc. When you have big guys like that leading the way, it inspires you to be around them, and you want to do a better job. there's not a lot of that going on today at all. Giving wrestlers creative control is what made WCW what they are today. Yah, I have to agree with realfakerazor.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 11, 2009 17:08:16 GMT -5
I don't know if it did happen, but I hope Triple H got chewed out for killing the SummerSlam match against Rocksteady and Bebop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 17:11:06 GMT -5
Give the wrestlers complete creative control and watch the mayhem commence. LOL at the thought of someone's number one contender speech being interrupted thirty-some times.
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Post by MGH on Aug 11, 2009 17:13:43 GMT -5
It isn't the stars/vets, it's what some of the stars/vets are booked to do. On Smackdown it's a perfect mix of old and new. On Raw it's Cena, Triple H, Batsita, Orton, and then you're all dandy until you run in to one of them.
I won't say WWE as a whole can't make new stars at all though. Right now CM Punk is on a massive surge up in the eyes of the fans as a legitimate main eventer.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 11, 2009 17:19:18 GMT -5
All kinds of things lead to this it's the nature of wrestling.
Thing's like favoritism toward certain wrestlers, playing favorites having bookers being friends with wrestlers all of that kind of business.
If you want to really book a wrestling show based on guys being booked like they should be for what they are. Have a booking team that has no personal ties to wrestlers, they aren't their friends etc. The only contact they have with wrestlers are if a wrestler wants to pitch an idea for his character. Or they work together on how to do a promo because the wrestler maybe young and not fully aware of what to say or something like that.
It still blows my mind that a big time wrestling company in todays world would cater to talent.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 11, 2009 17:23:57 GMT -5
It isn't the stars/vets, it's what some of the stars/vets are booked to do. On Smackdown it's a perfect mix of old and new. On Raw it's Cena, Triple H, Batsita, Orton, and then you're all dandy until you run in to one of them. I won't say WWE as a whole can't make new stars at all though. Right now CM Punk is on a massive surge up in the eyes of the fans as a legitimate main eventer. Because he's on the brand without veterans trying to steal his thunder. I still feel good that I never got into a WWE Sucks/TNA Rules mentality, because if you look carefully at TNA, they're doing alot of the same things WWE is. TNA just attracts less attention.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 11, 2009 17:27:57 GMT -5
The main problem is that Raw is both overloaded with the top names (Batista, Cena, Orton, Triple H, and now Shawn Michaels), and has a particularly stupid creative team. Even with Triple H on Smackdown, he never hogged the spotlight as much as he has on RAW since being drafted back. He even put Jeff Hardy over, which elevated him to the main event status he's currently enjoying.
If they want RAW to improve, they need to split up the top stars so they can't keep a chokehold on the ME scene, and get creative team members who can actually think outside the box for once. RAW has a very good midcard, and they need to start using and elevating those guys.
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