MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 5, 2009 16:53:41 GMT -5
I'm still somewhat leery. He and Danielson have a major obstacle to overcome: the fact that they were stars in another promotion that Vince did not create. From Dusty Rhodes in the 80's to the InVasion of the 2000's to the recent bungling of fellow ROH star Colt Cabana, Vince has a history of de-pushing anyone that is not his home-grown talent. He'll come up with some excuse: they don't have the superstar look, they can't adapt to the WWE style, they're not kid-friendly enough, whatever it is, there will be some reason they won't be at the top of the promotion, especially if they go to Raw.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 5, 2009 17:27:51 GMT -5
Didn't their contracts with ROH just run up? That would make more sense than the WWE actually raiding out ROH. Maybe they were just waiting out their contracts. their contracts came up in the spring along with everyone else, and they opted not to resign because both were planning on signing with WWE. not trying to steal from Rajah but the raid on ROH's talent may or may not be true, it all depends on which website you believe. according to Pro Wrestling Insider, the WWE has had their eye on ROH since they moved to monday night and are looking to sign some more of ROH's wrestlers, several of which didn't resign when their contracts came up. according to the Wrestling Observer and Figure 4 Weekly, WWE management doesn't care about ROH being on monday night nor do they follow it, and they never planned on signing a bunch of wrestlers (most of whom did resign and are currently under contract with ROH), they only had their eye on two, both of which ROH already knew about. its now a well known fact that ROH knew Danielson planned on signing with the WWE, and they booked him as such by taking him out of high profile feuds and instead using him to build up younger guys like Tyler Black and the American Wolves. since coming back from injury in June (which is two months before ROH moved to monday and three months before the "raid" began), McGuinness hasn't done jack as far as storylines or feuds and has instead been putting over guys like Black and Austin Aries, which makes me think they also knew he was planning was on signing with the WWE and booked him as such, so i'm going with the Observer and saying WWE isn't going to sign anyone else
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 5, 2009 17:50:00 GMT -5
Nigel's character was headed in a slighty new direction since July, but it's probably true that he wasn't going to be pushed to the top or anything, considering he had just come off a lengthy title reign, anyway.
Danielson was getting the angle that Samoa Joe got back in 2005, trying to become the first ever ROH "Triple Crown" champion, as somebody who held the World, Pure, and Tag titles. Danielson would've been as good a pick as anybody to pull it off (and there are no more options left to do it, since Nigel and Dragon were the only guys left who had won the Pure and World Title since the retirement of the Pure Title), but with the Wolves on top and feuding with Steen/Generico and others, I think it's clear it wasn't going to happen too soon, anyway.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Sept 5, 2009 18:05:33 GMT -5
I'm still somewhat leery. He and Danielson have a major obstacle to overcome: the fact that they were stars in another promotion that Vince did not create. From Dusty Rhodes in the 80's to the InVasion of the 2000's to the recent bungling of fellow ROH star Colt Cabana, Vince has a history of de-pushing anyone that is not his home-grown talent. He'll come up with some excuse: they don't have the superstar look, they can't adapt to the WWE style, they're not kid-friendly enough, whatever it is, there will be some reason they won't be at the top of the promotion, especially if they go to Raw. Does everyone have to be at the top of the card to consider their time in WWE to be a good run? Even ignoring that, what you say just isn't true. Hogan, Austin, HBK, Curt Hennig, Scott Hall, Chris Benoit, Booker T, CM Punk... all were stars in other promotions and went on to have successful WWE careers. Even when Goldberg, one of WCW's true homegrown stars came in they made him look stronger than everyone. I think they'll both do fine.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 5, 2009 20:59:04 GMT -5
Well, out of my 5 that I would have pulled from ROH, two have come to pass. I picked Dragon, Nigel, Claudio, Jacobs and, well, I forgot the last one actually, lol, that's pretty bad.
Keep in mind, it's important to remember that this isn't the first mass exodus in ROH. Back in 2007, ROH lost Samoa Joe, Colt Cabana, Austin Aries, Homicide and Christopher Daniels, just to name a few.
I would put him right to Tv as well. An easy way is to debut him on ECW as Katie Lea Burchill's boyfriend. Maybe hint to him coming to ECW in interviews, like Katie saying he was talking to him, and Katie being on the phone off camera while Paul is doing an interview. He debuts during a match with Burchill and Hurricane, comes in, hits the Jawbreaker Lariet, slips out, and they do a beat down on The Hurricane.
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Post by Capt. Internet Darling on Sept 6, 2009 15:13:49 GMT -5
As great a heel as he is there's also a great story to be told in WWE about the fact he was actually at Wembley Stadium for Summerslam 92. I think the Tower of London could easily work as his finisher, as it wouldn't be a good idea to do too many lariats with WWE's schedule considering his injury problems. If Nigel ever gets to the main event... Summerslam 2012 - London! It'll coincide with the Olympics which would be f'n awesome
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Post by repomark on Sept 6, 2009 17:05:34 GMT -5
This is an intersting development. Don't know much about him - only what I have heard and what I have heard has all been good. He and Bryan Danielson I hope get a proper shot in WWE. If CM Punk can then why not?
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Post by hajimenoippo on Sept 6, 2009 19:23:42 GMT -5
As great a heel as he is there's also a great story to be told in WWE about the fact he was actually at Wembley Stadium for Summerslam 92. I think the Tower of London could easily work as his finisher, as it wouldn't be a good idea to do too many lariats with WWE's schedule considering his injury problems. Hey It's basically the same as the Dark Kiss that Kevin Thorn used so I see no reason why he can't use it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2009 19:33:40 GMT -5
Didn't Nigel do a job match for them at one point?
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Sept 6, 2009 19:34:37 GMT -5
Didn't Nigel do a job match for them at one point? I think he wrestled a few matches in OVW. I don't recall any job matches. Except the one he did in TNA against Shark Boy.
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Post by rrm15 on Sept 6, 2009 19:41:43 GMT -5
Didn't Nigel do a job match for them at one point? I vaguely remember him jobbing to someone on one of the main shows not that long ago.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Sept 6, 2009 20:10:36 GMT -5
Didn't Nigel do a job match for them at one point? He jobbed to a man that everyone must fear. DANNY BASHAM!
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Sept 6, 2009 20:14:58 GMT -5
Nigel was in ovw for a cup of coffee, and he also wrestled in HWA when Thatcher was a developmental guy for WWE.
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Post by mondaymorningchamp on Sept 6, 2009 20:26:36 GMT -5
I'm still somewhat leery. He and Danielson have a major obstacle to overcome: the fact that they were stars in another promotion that Vince did not create. From Dusty Rhodes in the 80's to the InVasion of the 2000's to the recent bungling of fellow ROH star Colt Cabana, Vince has a history of de-pushing anyone that is not his home-grown talent. He'll come up with some excuse: they don't have the superstar look, they can't adapt to the WWE style, they're not kid-friendly enough, whatever it is, there will be some reason they won't be at the top of the promotion, especially if they go to Raw. Does everyone have to be at the top of the card to consider their time in WWE to be a good run? Even ignoring that, what you say just isn't true. Hogan, Austin, HBK, Curt Hennig, Scott Hall, Chris Benoit, Booker T, CM Punk... all were stars in other promotions and went on to have successful WWE careers. Even when Goldberg, one of WCW's true homegrown stars came in they made him look stronger than everyone. I think they'll both do fine. Outstanding post.
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Post by invaderdave on Sept 6, 2009 22:22:42 GMT -5
Something else I hope they manage to do with Nigel; work his "London Bridge" intro into his music somehow. Obviously not the same thing, but something similar-ish.
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Post by AriadosMan on Sept 6, 2009 22:25:43 GMT -5
They should pray for Smackdown/ECW and NOT RAW. Their talents will not be utilized on it.
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